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Did I ruin my coins? Photos present

I kept some of the very first coins that I collected inside a little album that I got over 2 decades ago. The album is still in great condition with the plastic as it was from day one.

As you can see, this album has pages in which an insert of multiple compartments slides into. Seems like a nice system for smaller coins, but now look. The Gold is probably just fine, its the silver I am questioning.

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  • Sure looks like pvc to me.image Some of these guys can tell you what to do about it, probably a quick acetone soak or something. Hopefully the damage s minimal.

    Those old holders are bad for that stuff, but really, how were we to know? There are newer (non-pvc) album pages and flips that are supposed to be safer.
  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭
    FilthyBroke is right on all counts. It is definitely damage from PVC combined with environmental moisture and probably accelerated by temperature. I had the same experience as a boy with album pages (luckily, with highly circulated coins). Acetone is a way to clean off the pieces. Use at least two beakers of acetone: the first one to remove the contamination and the second to rinse the coin. Unfortunately, some of the damage could be permanent, so the sooner this is done, the better.

    Gold is relatively inert, and will be unaffected save for any traces of copper that might be on the surfaces of the coins.

    Cautions: acetone is highly flammable, use in a well ventilated area. Also, it will remove oils and moisture from the skin so it is best to minimize contact with the liquid. Luckily, it is low toxicity (the human body makes it and eliminates it).
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Walmart is still probably the best source for good quality acetone.

    Usuall PVC damage of this scope is not a problem because the color you see is actually chloride oxide of the silver and copper content off the surface of the coin(s) and that this colored product is apparently dissolved into the plastic/petroleum slime that is the polyvinyl breakdown product on the surface of the coin. Acetone will bring that messy product off the surface in most cases. I usually liberally then wash the surface with dishwater detergent and LOTS of water and then tamp the surface dry with a clean white towel - NO RUBBING ALLOWED!
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
    After the acetone, if you feel the need to use water (why would you?) use distilled water. I rinse in plenty of clean acetone and blow dry with canned air.
  • DeutscherGeistDeutscherGeist Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for your suggestions and advice, guys.

    This is disappointing because that album was from Germany, yet the wrong material was used in creating it. What is a PVC album good for, then? Postcards? Stamped Envelopes?
    (I know stamp collecting is at an all time low, but I have some philatelic products).

    I have heard of acetone baths and read the threads on them. No nail polish remover, it must be pure acetone. Walmart is good. Home Depot should be as well. I will read labels carefully. Using fingers dipped in acetone is not wise, but for such a small volume, its of no consequence. I know it removes oils from skin, but its temporary. I think the Lindner company (Germany) sells some thongs that one can use (but I will check to see if they are acetone resistant).

    The 2 beaker system of acetone bath and rinse makes sense. A final rinse in distilled water is OK, but acetone dissipates anyway, so there is no residue after the final acetone rinse, right? Using 100% cotton cloth is advised for laying down the coins to "dry"....how about microfiber? I know the rule, NO RUBBING. Drying should be quick, so compressed air may not even be necessary to dry the coins on the towel, right? Instead of compressed air, won't a blow dryer also be safe for coins?

    Luckily, these silver coins are not expensive, but I like them for sentimental reasons, since they were some of the first I had. At the very least, they will retain their silver value, which is not too shabby.

    "So many of our DREAMS at first seem impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we SUMMON THE WILL they soon become INEVITABLE "- Christopher Reeve

    BST: Tennessebanker, Downtown1974, LarkinCollector, nendee
  • ormandhormandh Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭
    I have to say the album is good for the garbage. If you put any paper items in it they will absorb the pvc and ruin them. -Dan
  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would not use a PVC album for anything. Even to hold Kointain or Air-Tite capsules. Throw anything made of PVC in the garbage. Use Mylar only!

    As for tongs, E&T Kointainer Co. sells good, inexpensive ones that I use. They are available from a decent supply dealer (Brooklyn Gallery & Brent-Krueger come to mind).
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pendragon, not usually thought of as strictly necessary to go to the soap and water, however acetone is a solvent and sometimes will leave some of the dissolved residue behind, dries, and leaves a microlayer than can prove problematic. It is such a simple step ( S&W) that I just do it.
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.


  • << <i>won't a blow dryer also be safe for coins? >>



    I don't think I'd use a blow dryer, because heat could potentially damage or discolor the coin (at least that's how I understand it).
  • While I am not a scientist, I have listened to recent news reports about the dangerous levels of lead contained in PVC-laden products. While the initial report I saw dealt with women's purses and the potential danger to fetuses, the extent of the list of PVC-laden products mentioned made me think of coins and soft vinyl flips. I imagine we all have some soft vinyl flips.

    I'd be especially mindful if a woman of child-bearing age. One especially nasty fact about PVC is that the lead, cadmium or other metal added as a stabilizer tends to leech out, never actually bonding with the plastic used. We've known about PVC residue on coins,; now it makes more sense and it's not difficult to understand the obvious danger to humans.

    I'd use washable gloves when handling soft vinyl flips or coins removed from soft vinyl flips, like those in the OP.

    At the worst, given my past experience with flips, I believe that the coin collecting community should avoid soft vinyl flips and plastic 2x2 pages, basically pages for slides from cameras.

    Be careful out there. : )



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    Admittedly, this is my take on the subject, and perhaps I am the first to surface this danger to collectors.
    I couldn't resist trying to help. Many of us have children and grandchildren. ; )


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    I have collected U.S coins for many years, and then Civil War Tokens, but am now actively building a collection of 18th Century Conder Tokens, the coins that made the Industrial Revolution a whopping success. : )
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