When to give neg FB for Items not graded properly
vintagechris
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Ok, so it seems like the longer I buy raw cards on ebay, the more I wrestle with the idea of when to neg and not to neg. My dilemma is this, Most people will give you a refund if you complain but it really bugs me when it is obvious they are being deceitful in their description.
I mean when someone says cards have sharp corners and no creases and you get them and none of the cards have sharp corners and half have creases or wrinkles, don't these sellers deserve negative feedback whether they give you a refund or not? I'm not talking about the ones that may miss a crease or two or the ones that are close but maybe not be up to your grading standards, but these sellers who constantly overgrade by two and three grades.
Wouldn't there be much better grading overall from sellers if buyers just started giving them negs for their blatant attempt to deceive? Wouldn't it start to clean up this hobby?
I recently bought some cards on the B/S/T from Jason(WalterSobchak) and when I got them, they were exactly in the condition he described. I should be able to expect that when buying on ebay but instead I always go into it thinking I will get at least a grade worse.
And how about these sellers that say I am not a professional grader but IMO...... Yea, I'm not a professional grader either but I can tell the difference between an EX-MT and VG-EX card. BTW, I always just close these auctions when I read that. They do not get my bids.
I would be interested in hearing how liberal everyone is at handing out negs. I am really leaning towards negging sellers who are obviously trying to deceive the grades of their cards even if they are willing to give a refund. I mean really, their whole game is sell crap and if a few people complain, I will fix it. The rest of the people I rip off I don't really care.
I mean when someone says cards have sharp corners and no creases and you get them and none of the cards have sharp corners and half have creases or wrinkles, don't these sellers deserve negative feedback whether they give you a refund or not? I'm not talking about the ones that may miss a crease or two or the ones that are close but maybe not be up to your grading standards, but these sellers who constantly overgrade by two and three grades.
Wouldn't there be much better grading overall from sellers if buyers just started giving them negs for their blatant attempt to deceive? Wouldn't it start to clean up this hobby?
I recently bought some cards on the B/S/T from Jason(WalterSobchak) and when I got them, they were exactly in the condition he described. I should be able to expect that when buying on ebay but instead I always go into it thinking I will get at least a grade worse.
And how about these sellers that say I am not a professional grader but IMO...... Yea, I'm not a professional grader either but I can tell the difference between an EX-MT and VG-EX card. BTW, I always just close these auctions when I read that. They do not get my bids.
I would be interested in hearing how liberal everyone is at handing out negs. I am really leaning towards negging sellers who are obviously trying to deceive the grades of their cards even if they are willing to give a refund. I mean really, their whole game is sell crap and if a few people complain, I will fix it. The rest of the people I rip off I don't really care.
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some of us do walk that fine line between trying to maintain a business relationship which has up, downs and an occasional head-scratcher, but i try to be as understanding as possible with people who have also offered me the benefit of obtaining goods at a potentially reduced cost, which benefits me as a collector or seller.....if a seller is quite obviously lying about the quality of his or her products, then you have every right to expose them and i doubt it will be any lack of sleep to you as time goes by.
choose your sellers wisely, but remember, this is business and false representation is everywhere, it's a fact. educate yourself every day.
As a seller, people like you kind of tick me off. After recently getting dinged by an irresponsible buyer, now I have to take the extra steps to overly-describe each card, and photobucket-host a large front and back scan of each raw card I sell. THIS is why I only like to deal in graded cards. Someone else does the thinking for me.
vintagechris, would you be so kind as to share your ebay ID? I have a nice spot reserved for you on my BBL.
That way I am never disapointed and bid accordingly.
And before you block me, realize I spend about $3000 a month on cards and I would never ding anyone for honest mistakes or even somewhat close in the grading. Maybe you should read what I wrote again. If someone says the cards are sharp and no creases and you get them and none of the cards are sharp and half have creases, you don't think this is deceitful and deserves negative feedback?
In general I am not talking about single cards either, I am talking about lots or sets that you can't see every card and when a seller says sharp cards and no creases, am I wrong to expect something close to that? Or should I be happy with cards that have a bunch of creases and not one card has sharp corners? I mean really some sellers think sharp corners mean rounded. I mean if you tell me cards are EX-MT and I get them and they are EX, no big deal. If you list a 30 card lot and say NO cards have crease and I get them and find a wrinkle or two, no big deal.
If you don't mind me asking also Jeff, how were you dinged by an irresponsible buyer? I am guessing it wasn't a case of you describing a group of cards as sharp and no creases and you sent him creased cards.
If you feel you want to block me, that is fine. I am sure Jason wouldn't nor would any of the other honest sellers I have spent thousands of dollars with.
Also, do you not get upset when you buy grossly overgraded cards? I am guessing you probably do.
<< <i>Ok, so it seems like the longer I buy raw cards on ebay, the more I wrestle with the idea of when to neg and not to neg. My dilemma is this, Most people will give you a refund if you complain but it really bugs me when it is obvious they are being deceitful in their description.
I mean when someone says cards have sharp corners and no creases and you get them and none of the cards have sharp corners and half have creases or wrinkles, don't these sellers deserve negative feedback whether they give you a refund or not? I'm not talking about the ones that may miss a crease or two or the ones that are close but maybe not be up to your grading standards, but these sellers who constantly overgrade by two and three grades. >>
If the seller LIES about the condition - "sharp" corners are actually dinged, "no creases" are actually creased, etc - then the seller deserves a neg, regardless of refund.
Tabe
I agree, it is such a pain in the neck when I have to actually describe the cards exactly how they look. Then to top it off they want me to post a decent looking scan of the card as well so they can actually see it before buying. Why can't those whiney buyers just take my word when I offer vague descriptions and buy the stupid card already.
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It would be silly to "expect" an average/occasional EBAY seller
to have the grading skills and integrity generally exhibited by most
of the BST sellers.
Raw-card collectors are best served when they buy PSA cards
and crack them out for their collections.
Jason
His feedback left
Toolhaus
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
I realize it's just a neutral feedback and a very tiny blip on my feedback, but it still bothers me. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise, because now I put forth the extra effort to describe my cards, and provide a large and clear front and back scan of all of my cards. I'm not convinced it's worth the hassle on cards worth less than $10, but it'll do for now.
I'm not going to block you... that was my knee-jerk reaction that seems to happen with me a bit too often, lol.
<< <i>"...I recently bought some cards on the B/S/T from Jason(WalterSobchak) and when I got them, they were exactly in the condition he described. I should be able to expect that when buying on ebay but instead I always go into it thinking I will get at least a grade worse...."
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It would be silly to "expect" an average/occasional EBAY seller
to have the grading skills and integrity generally exhibited by most
of the BST sellers.
Raw-card collectors are best served when they buy PSA cards
and crack them out for their collections. >>
I agree about the occasional seller. But what about the ones that sell lots of stuff? I don't know, I think if you write in your description that there are no creases, I should get cards with no creases other than maybe a small % that may have been missed and honestly overlooked.
I'll give you an example, about 4 or 5 moths ago I buy a 1969 baseball set from someone who described it as EX-MT and the stars were sharp and NO creases. When I get it, literally all the star cards either had rounded corners or major creases. And the commons, about half were creases, many of them major creases. another 25% had severely rounded corners. 6 or 7 had writing on them and I would say about 20% were in EX condition and I am being generous with EX grade and giving the seller the benefit of the doubt. Oh and he said the Yaz card had a slight bend. Well that slight bend turned out to be a major crease going down the entire card almost breaking the card in half.
To me and maybe some think I am wrong, but this seller deserves negative feedback. To me it is a blatant attempt to mislead for his profit.
I don't really break out too many cards either as I mostly buy cards that are in the EX to EX-MT range. It just doesn't make sense for me if I am putting together a 1970 Topps baseball set in EX condition to buy PSA graded crads. Maybe the stars, but not the commons.
Keep the comments coming. I would love to hear how others feel about this.
THIS CARD is what I received my neutral feedback on. I posted what I thought was a clear enough scan of the card (using ebay's picture hosting), and I provided no other description of the card. I assumed it was apparent in the scan that it was not perfect, and I feel the buyer paid what the card was worth in that condition. I now realize I should have said at least something about it's condition, but at least I didn't say it was mint.
THIS CARD shows what I do now when selling raw cards (and graded cards, for that matter). I feel like I cover the major flaws of the card, and provide a scan that's twice the size as the card (which you could blow up even bigger if you want).
<< <i>If I was that unhappy with the purchase and the seller was giving me the run around about taking the cards back than I would neg him. >>
I only wish that buyer would have given me the chance. Any time I get an unhappy customer (very rare), I refund some or all of the amount paid and let them keep the card.
<< <i>His feedback left
Toolhaus >>
YIKES!!!
<< <i>I'll give you my two examples...
THIS CARD is what I received my neutral feedback on. I posted what I thought was a clear enough scan of the card (using ebay's picture hosting), and I provided no other description of the card. I assumed it was apparent in the scan that it was not perfect, and I feel the buyer paid what the card was worth in that condition. I now realize I should have said at least something about it's condition, but at least I didn't say it was mint.
THIS CARD shows what I do now when selling raw cards (and graded cards, for that matter). I feel like I cover the major flaws of the card, and provide a scan that's twice the size as the card (which you could blow up even bigger if you want). >>
You deserve to be pissed. Too many buyers today are expecting great deals without doing the work. I personally look at pics of every card I want to buy before I bid if the buyer just looked at the scan he would have noticed the soft corners and off centering obviously not mint. I would assume it was EX and move on to the next auction, done. I hate buyers who buy reprints or buy VG cards that have poor scans hoping it is NM it really pisses me off, even if I'm not involved in the transaction. Do the work and you will never get screwed.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
This is OT but with singles, keep in mind that even the best ebay sellers (the ones who often offer set breaks) tend to curve their grading based on the break. If it's an ex-nm set, then a lot of the exmt cards will become nm in the seller's eyes. That's just human nature. Even professional graders can get thrown off in that regard. I don't bid--or even bother looking through the auctions--unless most of the cards are graded high. I've done well with sellers who have been criticized here and poorly with sellers who have been praised. Eventually, I realized the quality of the cards really had more to do with the set than the seller (assuming the seller isn't a complete idiot or crook).
I've given up trying to find any raw "diamonds in the rough" and I would find it pretty hard to believe that any of you here would feel any differently.
I definitely agree with a previous poster Brock21. Always assume raw stuff is a grade lower than described and bid accordingly.
As far as immediately leaving a negative to the seller, that seems a bit harsh. Give him/her the benefit of the doubt and them them a chance to give you a refund first.
just to give you an example, there was a time long ago when i did not know about Steve Hart or his reputation or what past transgressions he may have been accused of.
so, i bought something from him.
The one poster posted my feedback left as if that is supposed to convict me of intentionally damaging someones feedback. He probably didn't even read the comments Well, I have left 17 sellers negative feedback. 6 of those they never sent the product and 5 of those are no longer registered users.
One guy I wanted to buy some basketball tickets for my son's birthday and after the auction I asked if I could pay for Express shipping to make sure they got here on time. I told him I would pay the cost and any paypal fees. It cost $18 for Express shipping and he wanted $26 and would not budge. When I called him to try to reason with him, he starts literally yelling and screaming at me and cussing at me. I'm sorry but I don't think he should make money on EXpress shipping.
One seller was selling lots of cards as vending cards. Not even close to vending cards and it was obvious. Does this person deserve a negative?
Another seller I left a negative for, I went to go pay and it showed they were no longer registered. So I didn't pay. Then unknown to me they get their account reinstated and send me a nasty email asking to pay. I politely explained why I didn't pay and he just continues to send me nasty emails. Sorry but I am not giving this person my hard earned money and to me he deserves negative feedback for treating a customer that way.
One guy sent me a card in PWE and it had a damaged corner. I contact him and he says not my problem. Does he not deserve a neg?
One seller I already mentioned about the 1969 set and if you had seen this set, you would say he deserves a neg as well.
negatives for 11 sellers. If you are honest in your description I overlook mistakes. No one is perfect. But if it is obvious you are trying to deceive I just don't think that is right.
And honestly, I think this is part of what is wrong with ebays feedback system. Sellers feel like they can not describe an item properly intentionally, get more money for it than it would sell for if they described it accurately, make money on the shipping many times and then feel like they are entitled to do that as long as they offer a refund to the few who actually btake the time to complain. To me, sellers like that should be outed. Most of the time they are not because they give refunds and think that makes their integrity issues go away.
I don't just give negs when I get bad cards. It has to be intention to deceive before I do that. Recently I had someone who I bought two single cards from and a lot. One of the singles looked boarderline but close, the other was about a grade overgraded but the lot was grossly overgraded. I give this guy the benefit of the doubt because the singles were at least close and when I contacted him, he was pleasant about it and I felt it was possible he just made a mistake. I wasn't 100% certain he was intentionally trying to deceive me.
I think for the most part if you are an honest seller and do try to accurately describe or grade your cards, you have no issues, but the people who are dishonest and have no integrity will eventually be outed.
One for a seller who described the cards as EX condition but one had a staple hole, writing on one and several with creases. To me this is inexcusable. And this was only a 50 card lot.
How about the fact that one of the sellers I left a neg for has two negs for overgrading in the last month.
Trust me, I know the difference between honest mistakes or even difference of opinion on grades and all out deceiving. Just like most on this board know the difference.
Bottom line, if you are an honest seller, you have nothing to worry about.
<< <i>Do you ever buy from Waverly82? Your description sounds eerily familiar. >>
I have never bought from them but from what I have heard, had I, I would have left a negative. That is the kind of seller that needs to be outed IMO whether they offer a refund or not. Just my opinion though.
<< <i>See Jeff, You are jumping to conclusions about the negatives I leave. Just because I have left a total of 23 of 17 sellers, doesnt mean anything. Especially considering 6 of those didn't send the items. ANd yes, if you cuss at me you will get a negative or if you claim these cards came from vending boxes and they obviously didn't you will get a negative.
One for a seller who described the cards as EX condition but one had a staple hole, writing on one and several with creases. To me this is inexcusable. And this was only a 50 card lot.
How about the fact that one of the sellers I left a neg for has two negs for overgrading in the last month.
Trust me, I know the difference between honest mistakes or even difference of opinion on grades and all out deceiving. Just like most on this board know the difference.
Bottom line, if you are an honest seller, you have nothing to worry about. >>
BTW Jeff, didn't mean for this reply to sound harsh. Sounds a little harsh when I reread it.
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<< <i>Do you ever buy from Waverly82? Your description sounds eerily familiar. >>
I have never bought from them but from what I have heard, had I, I would have left a negative. That is the kind of seller that needs to be outed IMO whether they offer a refund or not. Just my opinion though. >>
He certainly has been outed here. If the seller leaves Jesus and scriptural references in his descriptions, would that help?
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<< <i>I'll give you my two examples...
THIS CARD is what I received my neutral feedback on. I posted what I thought was a clear enough scan of the card (using ebay's picture hosting), and I provided no other description of the card. I assumed it was apparent in the scan that it was not perfect, and I feel the buyer paid what the card was worth in that condition. I now realize I should have said at least something about it's condition, but at least I didn't say it was mint.
THIS CARD shows what I do now when selling raw cards (and graded cards, for that matter). I feel like I cover the major flaws of the card, and provide a scan that's twice the size as the card (which you could blow up even bigger if you want). >>
You deserve to be pissed. Too many buyers today are expecting great deals without doing the work. I personally look at pics of every card I want to buy before I bid if the buyer just looked at the scan he would have noticed the soft corners and off centering obviously not mint. I would assume it was EX and move on to the next auction, done. I hate buyers who buy reprints or buy VG cards that have poor scans hoping it is NM it really pisses me off, even if I'm not involved in the transaction. Do the work and you will never get screwed. >>
I think you got the cards mixed up for what he got the neutral for. It's the Aaron, not the Robinson. That said, I wouldn't have left a neutral or neg for that. I do feel like if the scan doesn't clearly show the condition and there is no written description, it is up to the buyer to ask more questions. I do feel like the neutral will be a blessing in disguise for Jeff. The fact is, he now makes better scans and I think his bids will be better for that.
To me this is the difference in jeffcbay and some other sellers that I have left negs for. Jeff isn't trying to deceive. But a guy who grades a set in EX-MT and says none have creases and at least hal have creases, that is obvious deceipt.
If a card is grossly overgraded ask for a refund. If a refund is issued without problems then there is no reason to neg him. Give him positive feedback and then 1 star for "item as described."
If I was asked to send a ticket express AFTER the auction ended then I personally would demand more then face value for the shipping costs. You seriously didn't ask the seller if he could send something express before the auction ended, or what his price would be. 99% of ebayers turn a profit off of shipping you should ask before you assume. Sometimes I have to send an item out a day late because of work/family and you neg'd him because he wanted extra for going out of his way to accommodate a request he didn't have to fulfill.
Vending cards can sometimes be in EX-NM shape especially 70's cards. Most sellers who list "vending" cards will buy a case/box and pick out the stars/NM-MT/MINT cards and then sell the left overs. This is common knowledge, when buying vending lots you are not buying MINT cards but NM at best, most likely EX-NM or even EX. Thats what the seller meant by "Please educate yourself about the card industry before bidding on my items"
I know that you think you are helping the ebay community by "outing" these bad sellers but you are simply driving away honest sellers because we are afraid of buyers like yourself.
Jason
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
If it is clear that the seller is being deceptive, I guess I don't have a problem with leaving a neg right out of the gate. However, my personal philosophy is that I will never leave a neg under any circumstances without first giving the seller the chance to make the situation right. Of course when we are talking about a very low-dollar item, it simply isn't worth the hassle of contacting the seller, packaging the card up, shipping it back, and/or opening a claim with EBay and f***ing around with that. In those cases I am glad that the star-ratings exist. I can still leave appropriate feedback without resorting to a neg/neut.
I'm not even going to ding stars over a minor difference of opinion. If I buy a lot of raw cards that the seller advertises as NM-MT on average, I get them and I feel they are NM on average, I won't ding stars over that. (I won't buy from them again, but they will get perfect feedback for that transaction.)
If I get them and I feel they are EX, that's a different story.
Here's a few EBay sellers I bought raw '70s and '71s from recently that I thought were outstanding, and their grade assessment was right on the money. Buy from these guys and you won't be disappointed:
tdkjlk, chop503 (three different transactions), old-card-player, gaspipe26 (at least two different transactions, and I believe he is a member here as well).
And here's a few sellers I've bought raw from recently on these boards and was thrilled with the cards when they arrived. Best of the best:
ymarea, Bosox1976, cefy1
<< <i>it is too bad there are not more Jasons around. >>
+1 to that!
-CDs Nuts, 1/20/14
*1956 Topps baseball- 97.4% complete, 7.24 GPA
*Clemente basic set: 85.0% complete, 7.89 GPA
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<< <i>Do you ever buy from Waverly82? Your description sounds eerily familiar. >>
I have never bought from them but from what I have heard, had I, I would have left a negative. That is the kind of seller that needs to be outed IMO whether they offer a refund or not. Just my opinion though. >>
He certainly has been outed here. If the seller leaves Jesus and scriptural references in his descriptions, would that help? >>
As a christian myself, I don't care if sellers put that there. I don't automatically assume sellers do it because they are dishonest like some assume. I guess Wavely82 puts scripture or God bless or something in his listings. I don't know the guy so I won't judge why he puts that in his listings. It could actually be well intended, I don't know.
I do know some sellers or posters on message boards who do it and they have good intentions and are as honest as the day is long. Not all who do it are dishonest or trying to cover up some sketchy past.
"...I wouldn't personally worry about a neutral. To me it basically means the buyer didn't get what he expected but that the seller is most likely an honest seller in the buyers opinion...."
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Sadly, EBAY does not agree with your assessment of what a
"neutral" means.
Under the current FB scheme, buyers who want to get along
on EBAY should prolly reserve their NEGs/NEUTs for sellers
that refuse to issue a friendly refund when a "mistake" is
made. (While that WILL allow sellers like waverly to continue
their "crimes," it prevents small sellers from losing their entire
biznez.)
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Policy
If you receive an excessive number of cases or negative or neutral Feedback, you may be considered to be performing below standard.
What happens if you don't meet the standards?
If you don't meet the minimum performance standards, your search placement will be lowered and there may be limits to your selling activity until your ratings improve. You may also be restricted from selling items on eBay if your performance falls significantly below the minimum requirements.
If your account doesn't meet the standards, you:
Need to resolve all issues on the account before buying or selling with other accounts.
Can't register for a new account.
Can't use an existing eBay account to avoid buying and selling limits or other policy consequences.
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Starting at the end of next month, the MERE filing of a SNAD
or INR claim can easily get a seller with less than 400 FB
in a 12 month period suspended. This is true whether or not
the claim is decided in favor of the SELLER. Thus, buyers not
wishing to deplete the population of small sellers should try
to settle their problems with the seller, AND NOT involve
EBAY/PP unless it is absolutely necessary.
Buyers who want to run off ALL the small sellers can easily
do so by leaving NEGs and NEUTs, and filing claims with EBAY
and PP.
<< <i>What I want to know is why you seem to run into much more seller problems then the average ebayer? Is it coincidence? Or is it that because you have WAY too high expectations from sellers.
If a card is grossly overgraded ask for a refund. If a refund is issued without problems then there is no reason to neg him. Give him positive feedback and then 1 star for "item as described."
If I was asked to send a ticket express AFTER the auction ended then I personally would demand more then face value for the shipping costs. You seriously didn't ask the seller if he could send something express before the auction ended, or what his price would be. 99% of ebayers turn a profit off of shipping you should ask before you assume. Sometimes I have to send an item out a day late because of work/family and you neg'd him because he wanted extra for going out of his way to accommodate a request he didn't have to fulfill.
Vending cards can sometimes be in EX-NM shape especially 70's cards. Most sellers who list "vending" cards will buy a case/box and pick out the stars/NM-MT/MINT cards and then sell the left overs. This is common knowledge, when buying vending lots you are not buying MINT cards but NM at best, most likely EX-NM or even EX. Thats what the seller meant by "Please educate yourself about the card industry before bidding on my items"
I know that you think you are helping the ebay community by "outing" these bad sellers but you are simply driving away honest sellers because we are afraid of buyers like yourself.
Jason >>
First of all he already made money on the shipping. I paid his shipping cost he had in the auction and the auction price and asked if I could pay the additional price for expressed shipping and I would cover his Paypal fees. So to be clear, tickets were x amount shipping was x amount and I was willing to pay that price and pay the cost of Expressed shipping and his paypal fees.
So if you think that I am being unreasonable' So be it. For me personally, If a customer asks me to do that, I would be more than happy to do so. Without trying to make $8 off of him. Plus when I call the guy, he first says it cost $26 to send Express mail so I call him out on that, then he starts ranting and raveing on me saying he uses UPS next day shipping and not Express mail and that UPS is more expensive. cusses at me even though I was trying to be reasonable with him. So I pay the $26 and guess how he sent it, Express mail. Now I don't care if he sends it Express mail or UPS but this shows his integrity and that he was doing anything he can to make money off of me including lying.
Another thing, there is no reason to be afraid of buyers like "me".
And trust me, I know all vending cards are not NM/MT, but I also Know when cards are not vending cards. Before you judge me on this seller, why don't you toolhaus him? I'm guessing you didn't do that did you?
<< <i>This subject is always a tricky one, because in our hobby condition is pretty much everything. Even the tiniest flaws in an otherwise perfect card (that an untrained eye might not even notice) can do so much damage to its value. To compound the problem, one person's NM card is another person's EX card- and the person who thinks it's NM is not necessarily being dishonest about it.
If it is clear that the seller is being deceptive, I guess I don't have a problem with leaving a neg right out of the gate. However, my personal philosophy is that I will never leave a neg under any circumstances without first giving the seller the chance to make the situation right. Of course when we are talking about a very low-dollar item, it simply isn't worth the hassle of contacting the seller, packaging the card up, shipping it back, and/or opening a claim with EBay and f***ing around with that. In those cases I am glad that the star-ratings exist. I can still leave appropriate feedback without resorting to a neg/neut.
I'm not even going to ding stars over a minor difference of opinion. If I buy a lot of raw cards that the seller advertises as NM-MT on average, I get them and I feel they are NM on average, I won't ding stars over that. (I won't buy from them again, but they will get perfect feedback for that transaction.)
If I get them and I feel they are EX, that's a different story.
Here's a few EBay sellers I bought raw '70s and '71s from recently that I thought were outstanding, and their grade assessment was right on the money. Buy from these guys and you won't be disappointed:
tdkjlk, chop503 (three different transactions), old-card-player, gaspipe26 (at least two different transactions, and I believe he is a member here as well).
And here's a few sellers I've bought raw from recently on these boards and was thrilled with the cards when they arrived. Best of the best:
ymarea, Bosox1976, cefy1
This is pretty much my thinking as well.
<< <i>What I want to know is why you seem to run into much more seller problems then the average ebayer? Is it coincidence? Or is it that because you have WAY too high expectations from sellers.
If a card is grossly overgraded ask for a refund. If a refund is issued without problems then there is no reason to neg him. Give him positive feedback and then 1 star for "item as described."
If I was asked to send a ticket express AFTER the auction ended then I personally would demand more then face value for the shipping costs. You seriously didn't ask the seller if he could send something express before the auction ended, or what his price would be. 99% of ebayers turn a profit off of shipping you should ask before you assume. Sometimes I have to send an item out a day late because of work/family and you neg'd him because he wanted extra for going out of his way to accommodate a request he didn't have to fulfill.
Vending cards can sometimes be in EX-NM shape especially 70's cards. Most sellers who list "vending" cards will buy a case/box and pick out the stars/NM-MT/MINT cards and then sell the left overs. This is common knowledge, when buying vending lots you are not buying MINT cards but NM at best, most likely EX-NM or even EX. Thats what the seller meant by "Please educate yourself about the card industry before bidding on my items"
I know that you think you are helping the ebay community by "outing" these bad sellers but you are simply driving away honest sellers because we are afraid of buyers like yourself.
Jason >>
Here is the "vending" seller's toolhaus
salssportscards
Do you really want to defend this seller? Plus you will notice I did ask him for a refund and he refused. Not to metion you can tell alot about a seller's feedback by the way they reply to feedback left. Just look at it for yourself.
<< <i>Now I don't care if he sends it Express mail or UPS but this shows his integrity and that he was doing anything he can to make money off of me including lying. >>
Regardless, you should ask for shipping fees before buying.
<< <i>And trust me, I know all vending cards are not NM/MT, but I also Know when cards are not vending cards. Before you judge me on this seller, why don't you toolhaus him? I'm guessing you didn't do that did you? >>
Actually I did, Toolhaus 17000+ feedback and you seem to be the only person who thinks his vending lots aren't from vending boxes.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
<< <i>What I want to know is why you seem to run into much more seller problems then the average ebayer? Is it coincidence? Or is it that because you have WAY too high expectations from sellers.
You tell me. Are my expectations too high when someone says no creases and stars are sharp and half of a 1969 set are creased and none of the stars are even in VG-EX, let alone EX-MT? Is that too much expectations on my part?
How about the 6 people I left negs for that I didn't even receive the items? Am I expecting too much to pay for my items and then actually get theM?
I won't even bring up the Express mail guy. You think it is ok for him to lie to me cuss at me when I call to discuss it and make extra money off of me. And that is fine.
Is it too much to expect vending cards when I buy cards describes as such? Trust me, I was not expecting Gem Mint cards. But these were cards that were obviously handled. Some handle a lot. Just check the guys toolhaus and you will see he is a seller of low integrity. When I ask for a refund he refuses. But I guess my expectations are too high.
Are my expectations too high when a lot is described as EX and one has a staple hole in it, one writing, and about 10 % have obvious creases, yet the seller didn't mention any of these cards having these flaws and of course none of those were in the scan? Only the best cards were scanned.
Are my expectations too high when a seller send a supposed NM/MT card in a PWE and I get it with a bent corner and he blames the Post Office. I guess I expect to much as a customer there.
How about the guy I left a neg for who said he shipped the day after I apid and when I get the envelope it was shipped 18 days after. Are my expectations too high that I expect him to tell me when he actually sent it? All he would have to doi is tell me he forgot to ship it if that was the case, but he just lies about it instead. I guess my expectations are too high.
How about the guy who was blocked by ebay for some reason? Would you have paid for the items? Then when he gets reinstated he is completely nasty to me about why I haven't paid yet.
I guess I expect too much.
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<< <i>Now I don't care if he sends it Express mail or UPS but this shows his integrity and that he was doing anything he can to make money off of me including lying. >>
Regardless, you should ask for shipping fees before buying.
<< <i>And trust me, I know all vending cards are not NM/MT, but I also Know when cards are not vending cards. Before you judge me on this seller, why don't you toolhaus him? I'm guessing you didn't do that did you? >>
Actually I did, Toolhaus 17000+ feedback and you seem to be the only person who thinks his vending lots aren't from vending boxes.
So what about his other feedback? Is this a seller of integrity? Would you buy from this seller? Not a chance. Trust me, I know vending cards. It is very easy to tell cards that have been handled alot. This seller was selling vending lots to get more money for his auctions.
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
<< <i>All I am trying to say is that you seem to give out more negative feedback then the average ebayer, can we at least agree on that? I don't know why, they may all deserve it, but more and more ebay sellers are leaving ebay because they are worried about neg happy buyers who will bid before they really look at the listing. >>
As long as we can agree they all deserve it
Seriously though, I really don't give it if it is unwarranted IMO. Also toolhaus doesn't show how much I buy. I probably have about 4000 buy transactions on ebay and if you take out the 6 that got my money and I didn't get my item, I have only left negs for 11 sellers and the guy with the so called vending cards probably deserved it more than any. 11 negs in 4000 transactions is only about .3% of the people I buy from. I mean on the flip side if a seller has 99.7% feedback they are considered a good seller.