2010 National Update
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Yup, it has begun. Saw some new faces, put some faces to the user ID's and my feet are killing me!
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No pics Scott? Not even your sore feet?
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No pics Scott? Not even your sore feet?
Luckily, being from NJ, I am able to take my feet off and let them rest. Here they are . . . just for you Mike!
collecting 1977 topps baseball in psa 9 and psa 10
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Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
So if you're looking for cards, why bother?
I'm outta there, will my own semi-cool story later. Have a crab cake for me.
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<< <i>Here's an update. By 10 am on Tuesday, the 4 SC boyz had swept the floor clean of several dozen late 60's and 70's vending sets. Yes, I said Tuesday.
So if you're looking for cards, why bother?
I'm outta there, will my own semi-cool story later. Have a crab cake for me. >>
Ron - happens every year. and you ever notice 75% of the guys walking the floor with dealer badges on Tuesday and Wednesday don't even have a booth?
"If I ever decided to do a book, I've already got the title-The Bases Were Loaded and So Was I"-Jim Fregosi
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>Tree - oh yeah, happens every year. I'd estimate half the people with dealer badges don't have booths. >>
Are they just piggybacking on someone else's booth to get early admittance so they can buy what they want first? Anyone doing that kind of stuff to get the Strasburg promos too?
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No pics Scott? Not even your sore feet?
Luckily, being from NJ, I am able to take my feet off and let them rest. Here they are . . . just for you Mike!
Scott - you do those Geico commercials?
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My first thought was "Wow!". I make it to the Chantilly, VA show once or twice a year (which is a great local show) but it's nothing compared to this. I was originally hoping to track down a few board members but didn't have a lot of time and I wanted to get through as many tables as possible. I wandered around for about 2 hours -- had lunch -- then wandered for another 2 hours
The coolest thing for me was seeing so many rare cards -- highlighted by the T206 Honus Wagner PSA 2 (displayed in PSA's area) and a Tip Top Bread Honus Wagner (don't recall the grade). I focus on Clemente cards and it was great to see so many Clemente dealers with so many great cards. I picked up a 1965 Pirates Picture Pack Clemente, a '69 Greiner Tire set that I bought to flip, and what appears to be a 60s team issue that I've never seen before (scans below).
The "lowlight" of my day was wandering into the largest and most impressive collection of PSA-graded cards I've ever seen, including many HOFers that I need for my collection -- then looking up and seeing the dealer's name. The first card I priced was 3X what I was looking to pay
I was able to pick up a reasonably priced T206 Polar Bear 3-Finger Brown (don't recall the dealer) -- I wasn't leaving without adding at least one card to my HOF collection (scan below).
I also took some pics that I'll add tomorrow.
Always plenty of PSA-graded cards in my ebay store -- https://ebay.com/str/thelumbercompanysportscards
<< <i>Here's an update. By 10 am on Tuesday, the 4 SC boyz had swept the floor clean of several dozen late 60's and 70's vending sets. Yes, I said Tuesday.
So if you're looking for cards, why bother?
I'm outta there, will my own semi-cool story later. Have a crab cake for me. >>
Of course 4SC took everything early. It fits their business model perfectly. They send thousands of cards a month to PSA and flood the graded card markets with FAR more cards than the market will support for a given issue, quickly raising populations and drastically driving down prices for all other sellers who sell similar cards. Does 4SC really think there are enough buyers out there to purchase 50+ 1977 PSA 10 commons at one time? Of course not. But they don't give a sh*t about what the market will bear. Since they deal strictly in quantity, they couldn't care less if they are driving 77T PSA 10 prices down toward the 9.99 mark. They make $5-10 per card, and once in a while they get lucky and hit a 10 on a Fidrych or Yount and it makes all those $5-10 sales worthwhile.
They are bad for this industry.
Yet according to most members here at CU, 4SC is a valuable asset to the collecting community, and they will continue to buy from them.
Take those several dozen vending-type sets Burgundy was referring to. If 4SC wasn't making the rounds early, many of the sets would've gone to raw set collectors who would've kept them as-is, sure some would've been broken down for grading but I'm certain at a level far, far lower than 4SC has planned for them (no one but 4SC would be interested in subbing 6 copies of 1976T Bob Colluccio). I'm sure these sets will form the basis of their 5,000-card August submission, and I'm also certain that they will pay zero attention to the current market for any card they submit.
<< <i>I'm not a 4SC fanboy or anything, but they aren't printing the cards >>
No they aren't printing cards, they are just trimming them! The only way anything will change is if people stop supporting 4SC.
Edit to add: Highlight of my show has been meeting many board members, and putting faces with avatars. On the card front I am struggling to find cards I need for either my Clemente or Musial sets at even close proximity to VCP averages. I was able to pick up a very nice 66 Clemente from Paul Starks and a 63 Musial from Bruce Perry.
I know it's a business for PSA; but when they give an extreme discount they encourage the market to be flooded with many cards that otherwise would not be there. If the average submitter pays $5 for bulk deals then the highest submitter should receive no better than $4 a card. This should never be a hobby of he who submits the most gets the cheapest prices and best grades there has to be some serious integrity behind this whole thing to keep it going or it will be seriously altered in the future and PSA knows this.
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<< <i>Here's an update. By 10 am on Tuesday, the 4 SC boyz had swept the floor clean of several dozen late 60's and 70's vending sets. Yes, I said Tuesday.
So if you're looking for cards, why bother?
I'm outta there, will my own semi-cool story later. Have a crab cake for me. >>
Of course 4SC took everything early. It fits their business model perfectly. They send thousands of cards a month to PSA and flood the graded card markets with FAR more cards than the market will support for a given issue, quickly raising populations and drastically driving down prices for all other sellers who sell similar cards. Does 4SC really think there are enough buyers out there to purchase 50+ 1977 PSA 10 commons at one time? Of course not. But they don't give a sh*t about what the market will bear. Since they deal strictly in quantity, they couldn't care less if they are driving 77T PSA 10 prices down toward the 9.99 mark. They make $5-10 per card, and once in a while they get lucky and hit a 10 on a Fidrych or Yount and it makes all those $5-10 sales worthwhile.
They are bad for this industry.
Yet according to most members here at CU, 4SC is a valuable asset to the collecting community, and they will continue to buy from them. >>
4SC drives the price down because they flood the market. That is bad for the "competition" that is looking to make money selling cards. For the people buying this is a good thing. To argue that it hurts the value of a persons collection is a misguided argument because the whole "value" thing is just a temporary situation. They may speed that process up but it would eventually happen on its own.
If you are upset that 4SC is listing cards like that at $3, please answer my previous questions.
Nick
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<< <i>Lets get the focus of THIS thread back to the 2010 National. I'm interested to hear stories of all the cool stuff you've found. Surely there are still cards left that 4SC didn't buy before you got there. And, as a wise man once said, this thread is worthless without scans. Post pics! >>
I agree, start another thread about 4SC buying the world and comment there please....would be interested in seeing what folks have gotten at the National as they enjoy the weekend in sunny Baltimore.....
I second that - let's see some pics!
Other than dropping a significant portion of my budget at BBCE's booth, I did manage to buy a few cards. Got a really sharp stack of 51 Bowmans that all looked to be in the PSA 7-8 range.
Most of my time has been spent getting autos and eating $9 hamburgers.
<< <i>I have no pics except for a few of us at Lee's place last night. Haven't had access to a computer for a few days.
Most of my time has been spent getting autos and eating $9 hamburgers. >>
Hey Bill ... I have a hard time believing that you have had more $9 burgers than $9 beers! LOL
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Makes me want to run to Smashburger now..
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Working on:
Football
1973 Topps PSA 8+ (99.81%)
1976 Topps PSA 9+ (36.36%)
1977 Topps PSA 9+ (100%)
Baseball
1938 Goudey (56.25%)
1951 Topps Redbacks PSA 8 (100%)
1952 Bowman PSA 7+ (63.10%)
1953 Topps PSA 5+ (91.24%)
1973 Topps PSA 8+ (70.76%)
1985 Fleer PSA 10 (54.85%)
https://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/pdub1819/othersets/6204
The show floor is unreal and I wish I had another day to just see these wonderful collections in more detail.
<< <i>I went to the National today and finally met Carol from PSA and made a 50 card submission/August special.
The show floor is unreal and I wish I had another day to just see these wonderful collections in more detail. >>
no pics?