100% the "dad" was in the wrong... he went there with the intention to break the rules and ask for something that was obviously not supposed to be signed. This isn't Nam, this is a public signing... there are RULES. This douchebag went there with a video camera just to start some crap so he can put it on youtube. I bet those weren't even his kids...
Is this going to put a damper on 365 days of Gary Carter thread?
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Is this going to put a damper on 365 days of Gary Carter thread? >>
Nope
That Dad? was way out of line -- it sounded like he had it all planned out and he got his way in the end --- I might be a tad (ok more than a tad) bias but I have been to a ton of signings and yes he has rules on what he will or won't sign but he always take a minute or 2 to talk with everyone --- the shame of that exchange is that if the Dad? let the kids interact with Gary I am sure that the video would have been awesome, something that the kids would have forever -- he always goes out of his way with kids
I appear to agree with everyone else. It seemed to be:
1. Lets try to get something signed we are told is not allowed. 2. Throw a fit when such is not signed. 3. Scene started.
Who knows what the rules were and who set them (maybe Carter had no input). Also, Carter seemed like a decent enough guy with the conversation he had with the person in front of the "instigator." Given the situation, I think Carter handed it quite well. Mind you, I have never met Carter but this does not put him on my "no fly" list.
The father went thinking he could get his kids to score him two signed pics, bottom line, I blame th event organizers for not catching them in line with the pics realizing Carter probably shouldn't be the one who has to deal with them.
Carter was signing 2 items for everyone in line - a page with the FanFest logo on it and a baseball card of him with a Christian testimonial on the back. All the guys who were signing whatever you brought - were only signing one item per person. The line for Carter was quite long, and he can accommodate more people by signing only the items that he brought in quantity and were ready.
FanFest attracts a lot of people who are not autograph collectors and who don't think about how their stopping the line to get a posed picture with the player cuts into how many people can get autographs in the 2 hour slot - or who have trouble having their items ready to be signed.
Carter's actions were fine by me, and I agree that the purported father was being a jerk.
Total preplanned garbage. The guy clearly had it in for Carter and I have no idea why. I mean the moron must have known well in advance of getting to the front of the line that he was not autographing certain things. JEEZ! Get a life, guy! Horrible father too. Who subjects their kids to that!?!
BUT, I have to ask, what is the deal with players who will only sign certain items? I've never understood this. What are they trying to prove by not signing what a fan wants them to sign?
Gary Carter has been very consistant about signing things in public. I saw him at a Golf Tourney and he would not sign my SI. So I pulled out a 3x5 card and he signe that. That Dad is a bad dude who I think made a complete fool of himself. I also think he was asking for that confrontation.
Honestly, at Fan Fest he shouldn't be asking for donations. They said while in line they made the announcement that he'd only sign his items. If you have ever been to fanfest before, you know how long those lines get. Imagine waiting for hours in line to find out that you are only going to get a piece of paper signed by Carter? C'mon, it's wack. People paid like $25 admission to get in, in part to pay his fee.
I heard Rickey Henderson was doing the same thing. If you are that conscious of protecting your signature's value, then you shouldn't do these events. Not everyone who wants a baseball or a photo signed is going to sell it. This isn't the 80's when only a few were sophisticated collectors. Many know to get a photo or ball signed because it displays better. That doesn't make people a dealer. I realize that the athletes cannot tell who is who, and that the dad MIGHT have been using his kids as a decoy to get extra stuff signed to sell, but then again he might have wanted them to have more presentable keepsakes.
At something like fanfest, I think it is in poor taste for Carter to be asking for donations.
I wonder if at future fanfests if this is going to be a trend, where the players will only sign super generic items.
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Is this going to put a damper on 365 days of Gary Carter thread?
I didn't see anything IN THAT VIDEO that would make me believe Gary was anywhere in the wrong.
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I was trying to throw in a quote from The Big Lebowski... nevermind... lol
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Is this going to put a damper on 365 days of Gary Carter thread? >>
Nope
That Dad? was way out of line -- it sounded like he had it all planned out
and he got his way in the end --- I might be a tad (ok more than a tad) bias but I have been to a ton of signings and yes he has rules on what he will or won't sign but he always take a minute or 2 to talk with everyone --- the shame of that exchange is that if the Dad? let the kids interact with Gary I am sure that the video would have been awesome, something that the kids would have forever -- he always goes out of his way with kids
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Obviously you're not a golfer.
BTW, that guy was a totally rude dbag. I wish there was video of the security putting him in a pressure point hold.
1. Lets try to get something signed we are told is not allowed.
2. Throw a fit when such is not signed.
3. Scene started.
Who knows what the rules were and who set them (maybe Carter had no input). Also, Carter seemed like a decent enough guy with the conversation he had with the person in front of the "instigator." Given the situation, I think Carter handed it quite well. Mind you, I have never met Carter but this does not put him on my "no fly" list.
FanFest attracts a lot of people who are not autograph collectors and who don't think about how their stopping the line to get a posed picture with the player cuts into how many people can get autographs in the 2 hour slot - or who have trouble having their items ready to be signed.
Carter's actions were fine by me, and I agree that the purported father was being a jerk.
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BUT, I have to ask, what is the deal with players who will only sign certain items? I've never understood this. What are they trying to prove by not signing what a fan wants them to sign?
<< <i>What are the chances that the OP is the "dad" in the video? >>
I assure you it's not me. I also think the dad is in the wrong.
<< <i>Oddly enough, that video makes me WANT to meet Carter in person and have something signed by him... >>
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I heard Rickey Henderson was doing the same thing. If you are that conscious of protecting your signature's value, then you shouldn't do these events. Not everyone who wants a baseball or a photo signed is going to sell it. This isn't the 80's when only a few were sophisticated collectors. Many know to get a photo or ball signed because it displays better. That doesn't make people a dealer. I realize that the athletes cannot tell who is who, and that the dad MIGHT have been using his kids as a decoy to get extra stuff signed to sell, but then again he might have wanted them to have more presentable keepsakes.
At something like fanfest, I think it is in poor taste for Carter to be asking for donations.
I wonder if at future fanfests if this is going to be a trend, where the players will only sign super generic items.