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Napoleon III satiricals

I'm familiar with two general types of early-1870s satirical pieces lampooning Napoleon III, from the time of the Franco-Prussian War. One is an altered coin, and the other is a token.

1. A government-issue dix centimes coin engraved with a Prussian pickelhaube (spiked helmet) on the emperor's head. This is an altered coin similar to a hobo nickel (Buffalo nickel tooled by an itinerant folk artist during the Great Depression).

2. A token the size and fabric of a dix centimes, with Napoleon's portrait, etc. The legends are modified to include "Vampire de France," etc.; again, a pickelhaube is a major part of the design; and typically the imperial eagle on the reverse is replaced with a spooky and hollow-eyed owl.

Has anything definitive been written about these pieces? Any standard valuations attached to them? (I purchased a nice brown example of the token last year, and I was just offered an engraved coin at the Denver ANA show.)

Thanks,

-- Dentuck

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,891 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never seen any. They sound quite interesting.

    "Vampire de France", eh? image

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  • I have a Napoleon III coin such as you described, the spiked helmet, and the owl on the reverse side. The clamp and chain around his neck with SEDAN , of course where he met his defeat. I have been totally unable to find any thing about this coin.image
  • farthingfarthing Posts: 3,294 ✭✭✭
    The engraved dix centimes satirical pieces do show up with moderate frequency on eBay so I would assume that quite a few were modified. Usually the owner has similar descriptions on the coins so their story must be fairly well known.

    Unfortunately, I've never come across anything written about them outside of these ebay listings.
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  • BlackhawkBlackhawk Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭
    Didn't someone have one for sale on here not too long ago?
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  • spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭
    Sold this one not too long ago...

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    This one was actually 1 centime size. I've seen the struck versions on 5c-size as well as the 10s - and of course the engraved versions on just about everything. (I seem to recall a 1 or 2 franc engraved?)

    Unfortunately, this is an area I've been lazy with. I always have an interest in them, but never bothered to figure anything out about them!
  • savoyspecialsavoyspecial Posts: 7,311 ✭✭✭✭
    many dix centimes can be found with a simple counterstamp SEDAN across the obverse, Brunk gives the following entry regarding these:


    France entered the Franco-Prussian War of 1870-1871 with expectations of an easy victory. Its people were shocked by the inglorious defeat of a large French army at Sedan, near the Belgium border on September 4, 1870. The elderly Emperor Napoleon III, who commanded the army, surrendered 80,000 troops and went into exile in Germany. Another 173,000 French troops surrendered at the battle of Metz, but even that did not end the war. The city of Paris was besieged and fell to the Prussians on January 28, 1871, and "Sedan" became the rallying cry of anti-monarchists.
    Numerous anti-Napoleon III tokens, medals, and countermarked coins were made at this time. On many of them the portrait of Napoleon was re-engraved to show him with a Prussian helmet, and the French eagle has become a vampire bat. Little contemporary evidence exists about these satirical coins, although one commentator mentioned that none of them were seen in Paris until after the war. While seven mints were operating at this time, most of the satirical pieces were minted at Paris, Strasbourg and Lille, which were closest to the war zone in northeastern France. So the countermarked coins probably were made in German occupied Alsace, and many sold there as souvenirs, particularly in the city of Strasbourg. There are two basic varieties of the countermark: One has an accent mark over the E in SEDAN and the other does not

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  • Rickc300Rickc300 Posts: 876 ✭✭
    WOW! I collect Prussian and German coins, this is the first I have seen of these! I would love to add one to my collection of Prussian coins and "stuff" Let me know if anyone spots one for sale... I love it, and want one badly! I will trade coins, stamps or purchase outright if the price is right.

    Thanks,
    Rick
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  • try nap III sedan

    and monnaies satiriques

    and and another

    all in french, but nice pictures

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    David
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