Hall of Famers, should be HOF's, and near HOF's

olb31 · July 2, 2010 1:44AM

M Mussina, J Moyer, F. Thomas, J Thome, S Sosa, C Jones, M Piazza, P Martinez, C Schilling, J Smoltz, T Glavine, R Johnson, M Ramirez, I Rodriguez, R Alomar, C Biggio

This is just a small list of players who have HOF credentials. Some will make it, some will not, but all had fantastic careers. However, the card collecting world, for the most part, ignores there value. Most has to do with the over abundance of the production of a particular card. Do you think collecting/Investing in any of these guys is worth it or will ever be worth it? Or will these cards just basically be forgotten, even if they go to the HOF?

WalterSobchak · July 2, 2010 2:15AM

All the listed players happened to play during the worthless sports card era. In my opinion, whether or not a certain player from that era makes it into the Hall is not going to make much of a difference with respect to the value of his cards.

Randy Johnson's enshrinement is not going to change the fact that there are 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 copies of his '89 UD card currently in circulation.

lsutigers1973 · July 2, 2010 3:38AM

You can take Moyer, Manny, Sosa and Schilling off that list.

markj111 · July 2, 2010 3:44AM

<< You can take Moyer, Manny, Sosa and Schilling off that list. >>

I agree, but I think Schilling will go in.

jamesryanbell · July 2, 2010 3:52AM

Even though his numbers don't reflect a "shoe-in" type of mindset, I'd bet the farm that Biggio goes in first ballot. Call me crazy, but watch it happen.

72skywalker · July 2, 2010 4:20AM

<< M Mussina, J Moyer, F. Thomas, J Thome, S Sosa, C Jones, M Piazza, P Martinez, C Schilling, J Smoltz, T Glavine, R Johnson, M Ramirez, I Rodriguez, R Alomar, C Biggio

This is just a small list of players who have HOF credentials. Some will make it, some will not, but all had fantastic careers. However, the card collecting world, for the most part, ignores there value. Most has to do with the over abundance of the production of a particular card. Do you think collecting/Investing in any of these guys is worth it or will ever be worth it? Or will these cards just basically be forgotten, even if they go to the HOF? >>

i think their cards will always be low $$wise because of the overabundance but that is good for the collector because you can get HOF rookies for only a few dollars. I agree all of those guys have had great careers and they all possibley could get in. We will have to wait and see which ones will and which ones won't.

ShawnyD · July 2, 2010 4:48AM

M Mussina, 50% chance, he should have played a couple more seasons
J Moyer, not a chance in hell
F. Thomas, First ballot HOF
J Thome, First ballot HOF
S Sosa, roid rage
C Jones, 95% chance for the HOF
M Piazza, First Ballot HOF
P Martinez, First Ballot hOF
C Schilling, 40% chance
J Smoltz, 90% chance
T Glavine, 100% lock, maybe not first ballot
R Johnson, 100%Lock
M Ramirez, nope, never ever.
I Rodriguez, roid's
R Alomar, this year.
C Biggio 100% lock.

CrimsonTider · July 2, 2010 5:05AM

PSA 10s & BGS 10, or 9.5s may hold their value, but I do not see a dramatic increase in price.

However, we are in an economic downturn and its reversal (not happening soon) may cause a slight uptick in prices.

JohnnyD · July 2, 2010 5:54AM

I'd like to put Omar Vizquel on this list. Not a bad bat, 11 Gold Gloves is a pretty good pedigree.

pdub1819 · July 2, 2010 6:01AM

<< Even though his numbers don't reflect a "shoe-in" type of mindset, I'd bet the farm that Biggio goes in first ballot. Call me crazy, but watch it happen. >>

Is 3,000 hits no longer shoe-in material?

bman90278 · July 2, 2010 6:08AM

Already dozens of threads like this in the sports forums.

brian

CrimsonTider · July 2, 2010 6:20AM

bman, you are correct about the HOF worthiness, however the original post asked about the future value of these player's cards.

I do believe that there is not many threads about their value, there is an azz-ton of threads about who deserves to be in the hall.

CollectorAtWork · July 2, 2010 7:33AM

I'd add Vlad Guerrero to the list, especially if he is able to reach 500 HR's. Of course, if he is outed for roids, all bets are off.

As others have mentioned, the issue is production #'s. Right now, I think collectors are consumed with scarcity #'s, which is why only those modern cards with limited production runs (see 1/1) seem to have traction with pricing. For myself, I think if you buy PSA10's for rookie cards (as determined by PSA Set Registry since some players have multiple rookie cards), I think they can show price appreciation in the future. If you look at the pop reports, PSA10's have reasonable scarcity, which can drive their value up in the future. And, I would only buy these cards for HOF'ers. If they don't reach HOF, even if you have PSA10, I doubt they'd be worth much.

chris777 · July 2, 2010 7:41AM

About the steroid issue. I think way into the future, steroids won't be a big deal, and Clemens & Bonds will be looked upon in a brighter light. Look at Shoeless Joe Jackson. He was banned by baseball and kept out of the Hall of Fame. I imagine lots of people must have hated him during that time, even if it wasn't proven in court. And look how people feel about him today.

RookieWax · July 2, 2010 8:11AM

I would argue that the Topps Tiffany/Score Glossy rookie cards of most of these players are some of the best bargains in the hobby at their current prices. In fact, I'd bet the number of rookie cards (even if you only count mid-grade and better) in existence - graded or still raw- of guys like Nolan Ryan, Johnny Bench, Mike Schmidt, Reggie Jackson, George Brett, etc. would out number the copies of Tiffany/Glossy rookie cards of most 1980s rookies.

BunchOBull · July 2, 2010 8:29AM

My collection isn't an investment obviously.

PowderedH2O · July 2, 2010 8:59AM

OK, so at what point are they not overproduced? Say, this year's base Topps baseball for example. What sort of quantities are made in comparison to those of 1970 or 1960? I know the 1987 cards could fill up a landfill, but what about the current stuff? Is a 2010 Albert Pujols base card ever going to have any value beyond a few bucks?

hammered · July 2, 2010 10:36AM

<< M Mussina, 50% chance, he should have played a couple more seasons
J Moyer, not a chance in hell
F. Thomas, First ballot HOF
J Thome, First ballot HOF
S Sosa, roid rage
C Jones, 95% chance for the HOF
M Piazza, First Ballot HOF
P Martinez, First Ballot hOF
C Schilling, 40% chance
J Smoltz, 90% chance
T Glavine, 100% lock, maybe not first ballot
R Johnson, 100%Lock
M Ramirez, nope, never ever.
I Rodriguez, roid's
R Alomar, this year.
C Biggio 100% lock. >>

Manny Ramirez will be first ballot. He's the best, most consistent hitter in the last 20 years. The stats bear it out.
He'll finish with 600+ homers, 2000+ RBI, and a BA over .300
And you think he won't make it, why, because he's aloof?

DonnieD · July 2, 2010 11:06AM

'Roids?

redsfanman · July 2, 2010 12:13PM

The Hall of "Fame" is exactly that. The steroid users have now become infamous rather than famous. I prefer they keep infamous players out, once that line is crossed. My humble 2 cents.

The 2013 ballot will be very interesting to see (Bonds, Clemens, etc.)

bman90278 · July 2, 2010 9:42PM

<< bman, you are correct about the HOF worthiness, however the original post asked about the future value of these player's cards.

I do believe that there is not many threads about their value, there is an azz-ton of threads about who deserves to be in the hall. >>

Yes you are correct and I'm wrong....Guess I must have been tired.
sorry,
b rian

Hall of Famers, should be HOF's, and near HOF's

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