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Fake PSA 9 Bench Rookie on eBay

shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,627 ✭✭✭✭
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Bench

Description says he bought it at an estate sale. Probably a Craig's List fake. Based on the high feedback rating, I'll give the seller the benefit of the doubt for not knowing. But it's pretty obvious. Case and flip are both non PSA and the card itself looks fake.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."

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  • DavemriDavemri Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭
    Yep, flip is definalty from the craigslist fakes. I've seen the seller an email to let him know.


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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    I have never seen a PSA case with rounded corners.....is that a telltale sign that the card is a fake, or are there legitimate holders with round corners?
  • jmoran19jmoran19 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have never seen a PSA case with rounded corners.....is that a telltale sign that the card is a fake, or are there legitimate holders with round corners? >>



    Those cases look like the cases that thicker cards and/or wax packs come in.

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  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I have never seen a PSA case with rounded corners.....is that a telltale sign that the card is a fake, or are there legitimate holders with round corners? >>



    Those cases look like the cases that thicker cards and/or wax packs come in. >>



    no it doesnt. its just not a psa holder. there would be more depth to the picture not that flat. plus the corners of the inserts are not like that on the patch holders.
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  • zep33zep33 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭
    card looks like it was printed on paper and the printer was low on 1 of the colors
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope PSA does the right thing and has the auction cancelled. It's their rep at stake.
    Mike
  • jmoran19jmoran19 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I have never seen a PSA case with rounded corners.....is that a telltale sign that the card is a fake, or are there legitimate holders with round corners? >>



    Those cases look like the cases that thicker cards and/or wax packs come in. >>



    no it doesnt. its just not a psa holder. there would be more depth to the picture not that flat. plus the corners of the inserts are like that on the patch holders. >>



    i'm not starting a fight but I did say "look like" not exactly like

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  • GoDodgersFanGoDodgersFan Posts: 1,392 ✭✭✭
    I hope PSA is taking action on this auction. Very scary stuff here.
  • OckhamsRazorOckhamsRazor Posts: 207 ✭✭
    A quick VCP check on that cert #50049135 does not show any recent transactions for that card. However, in checking some of the other cert #'s around this card came up with a 1965 Bob Gibson PSA 9 #50049131 which has recently sold. The image is below. Clearly, the Gibson was graded post-half point grade implementation. Whereas, the Bench is an old style label. As well as not being in a PSA holder. The Bench is completely bogus.


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    Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all "right-thinking" people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty.

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭
    I reported it.......It looks like the seller is NOT going to do the right thing.
  • jradke4jradke4 Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>I have never seen a PSA case with rounded corners.....is that a telltale sign that the card is a fake, or are there legitimate holders with round corners? >>



    Those cases look like the cases that thicker cards and/or wax packs come in. >>



    no it doesnt. its just not a psa holder. there would be more depth to the picture not that flat. plus the corners of the inserts are like that on the patch holders. >>



    i'm not starting a fight but I did say "look like" not exactly like >>



    i disagree, i dont think it looks like the patch holders at all....thats all i was saying.

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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


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  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,627 ✭✭✭✭
    Auction's over. Looks like the seller ended it. Good for him.
    "My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    Good grief... This was spotted and the seller was criticized for not pulling the auction right away. The start of the post was at 10:32 this morning. Geez.... What if the guy has a freaking job?
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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Fake flip and fake case with what I'm sure is a fake or doctored card inside...

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  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    I looked at the person's other auctions. All kinds of crap. Not really any cards. I doubt seriously that this is one of the people that goes about producing fake cards. If my mom were to find that Johnny Bench, she'd think she had the real thing and might put it on ebay just the same. I say give the person a chance before we condemn them. They might just not be aware.
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  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I looked at the person's other auctions. All kinds of crap. Not really any cards. I doubt seriously that this is one of the people that goes about producing fake cards. If my mom were to find that Johnny Bench, she'd think she had the real thing and might put it on ebay just the same. I say give the person a chance before we condemn them. They might just not be aware. >>



    I disagree that the seller is some unlucky guy that got stuck with the Bench. First he has over 10,000 feedback, so ebay is more than just a side hobby for him. Second the description is from somebody who knows about PSA graded cards. This isn't some old lady who happened to come across a PSA 9 Johnny Bench.

    Also where are these estate sales that have graded mint cards for sale?
    Mike
  • AlbertdiditAlbertdidit Posts: 560 ✭✭✭
    usually you can go to any neighborhood garage sale and find PSA 9 baseball cards from the 50's and 60's
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>usually you can go to any neighborhood garage sale and find PSA 9 baseball cards from the 50's and 60's >>



    I knew I was looking in the wrong place. I tried the local card shops and only found raw cards in PSA 5 quality for PSA 9 prices.
    Mike
  • PowderedH2OPowderedH2O Posts: 2,443 ✭✭
    I stand corrected. From this point on I will immediately assume the worst and will figure that any discrepancy I see in life is the result of someone's evil intentions and never an honest mistake. Thanks for clearing this up.
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  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spoken like someone who has never been burned for big $$$ on ebay.
    Mike
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