GAI 'resealed' yields 2 nice cards
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As you can see I have been a member here for a while now, but have yet to find my way much into the posts. I had something happen to me the other day that made me feel motivated to actually create my first post. So first off, thank you for the years of enjoyable reading ... maybe the experts can help here.
About 8 years ago I bought a batch of old, unopened baseball wax packs (on ebay). I sent most in the GAI to be graded about 5 years ago. Well, some came back graded and some came back 'resealed'. I was frustrated at the time so waited about 6 months and resubmitted again .... got rejected again.
Well, the other day I came across them in one of my boxes and decided to rip em open (it really hurt having to rip these vintage packs, but.....). Anyway, when I ripped my 1971 topps baseball pack I got a mint Nolan Ryan. I opened my 1969 topps baseball and got no-one. I finally ripped my 1968 baseball and got a 2nd year Carew.
Now granted, the cards inside all the packs did not have that pack fresh look or feel ... nice cards, but I can see where these might have been re-wrapped. The wrappers themselves had a few, almost invisible slices/tears which I'm sure was not factory fresh and some of the cards had softer corners than what you'd find pack fresh.
Now my question, why in the world would someone rewrap a pack and INCLUDE a HOF card? Especially the 2 here that I think would be key cards in the set.
Not sure if I should feel good knowing GAI rejected these as the cards did not appear to be pack fresh, but at the same time I wonder if the pack really WAS rewrapped after pulling these HOFers.
Thoughts? Again, the boards are amazing .... I learn so much. Hopefully someday iIcan offer some insight to someone here.
As you can see I have been a member here for a while now, but have yet to find my way much into the posts. I had something happen to me the other day that made me feel motivated to actually create my first post. So first off, thank you for the years of enjoyable reading ... maybe the experts can help here.
About 8 years ago I bought a batch of old, unopened baseball wax packs (on ebay). I sent most in the GAI to be graded about 5 years ago. Well, some came back graded and some came back 'resealed'. I was frustrated at the time so waited about 6 months and resubmitted again .... got rejected again.
Well, the other day I came across them in one of my boxes and decided to rip em open (it really hurt having to rip these vintage packs, but.....). Anyway, when I ripped my 1971 topps baseball pack I got a mint Nolan Ryan. I opened my 1969 topps baseball and got no-one. I finally ripped my 1968 baseball and got a 2nd year Carew.
Now granted, the cards inside all the packs did not have that pack fresh look or feel ... nice cards, but I can see where these might have been re-wrapped. The wrappers themselves had a few, almost invisible slices/tears which I'm sure was not factory fresh and some of the cards had softer corners than what you'd find pack fresh.
Now my question, why in the world would someone rewrap a pack and INCLUDE a HOF card? Especially the 2 here that I think would be key cards in the set.
Not sure if I should feel good knowing GAI rejected these as the cards did not appear to be pack fresh, but at the same time I wonder if the pack really WAS rewrapped after pulling these HOFers.
Thoughts? Again, the boards are amazing .... I learn so much. Hopefully someday iIcan offer some insight to someone here.
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Just a guess, but I know that has ocurred in the past.
What made you think they were resealed? Was there more than the slices you mentioned? Wrong corners, roller marks,tears/creases in the wrapper etc?
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
I am not an expert at sending in graded cards ... don't have the eye, the magnifying glass, etc so I really am not sure what the corners could/should look like or what to look for under a scope for evidence of trimmimg.
What I can do, however, is try and figure out how to download pictures onto a post. I'm not good at this stuff but I'll sure try. I'll most liely need the weekend to figure it out.
I think you experts will be able to identify and verify it being resealed.
To answer your question Mr Ripken is, I think they are resealed because GAI rejected them .... twice!
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GAI has a habit of slabbing "borderline" packs and because yours were rejected twice this tells me something was obviously wrong with them.
Flatfoot makes an excellent point. A '71 Ryan make look mint to one person while at the same time a person with a more experienced, discerning eye may determine it to be ex-mint or even altered.
I would guess very few pack counterfeiters know the sequencing order for '68 & '71 Topps bb wax so by giving Jmoran19 the card #'s I'm confident he can give you an answer as to their authenticity.
OK ... I am reviving this thread because, I think, I just figured out the photobucket thing.
Here are the 1968 cards I got from the pack that was rejected by GAI. Cards #s are 68, 108, 84, 64, 80 (Rod Carew 2nd year card).
My question still stands ... why would a counterfeiter put a Carew in a pack that is resealed? I have the 1971 cards where the rejected pack had a Nolan Ryan. Stay tuned.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
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My question still stands ... why would a counterfeiter put a Carew in a pack that is resealed? I have the 1971 cards where the rejected pack had a Nolan Ryan. Stay tuned. >>
Because the Carew is a $35 card. The pack is what, $300ish.
As mentioned before, if they put in some good cards, that would fool the buyer and possibly get repeat business. The scammer is only looking for high grade cards. No need to nickel and dime.
369 (checklist), 467, 479, 421, 470, 447, 475, 227, 262, 513 (Ryan)
I think I am getting the message ... tell me if I am wrong here
GAI either has no clue what they're doing or simply authenticates questionable packs. If a pack is beyond questionable then they reject. I just read a thread where someone had his girls rip a few GAI graded packs and the results lead us to believe they were resealed.
Does this allow us to assume buying GAI packs is NO guarantee to finding valuable, untouched cards? Or is it an issue of GAI was unreliable only during a certain period of time? This is why I love the boards.
<< <i>Here is the sequence on the 1971 pack that was rejected by GAI
369 (checklist), 467, 479, 421, 470, 447, 475, 227, 262, 513 (Ryan)
I think I am getting the message ... tell me if I am wrong here
GAI either has no clue what they're doing or simply authenticates questionable packs. If a pack is beyond questionable then they reject. I just read a thread where someone had his girls rip a few GAI graded packs and the results lead us to believe they were resealed.
Does this allow us to assume buying GAI packs is NO guarantee to finding valuable, untouched cards? Or is it an issue of GAI was unreliable only during a certain period of time? This is why I love the boards. >>
Sorry, don't even have to investigate this one. Cards cross 3 series, 2nd (227 and 262) thru the 4th (Ryan). Impossible for wax packs. Ryan is most likely recolored.
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
I'd check under a blacklight, I'm betting the scammer took a bunch of nice looking rejected cards and put them in there. Did you save the gum?
Tough to tell from a scan, but the bottom of the Carew looks suspect as well.
GAI did some good things, some bad things, and was a mess in the logistics department, but I would not dismiss everything they did.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Current obsession, all things Topps 1969 - 1972
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's