Graded cards in a pack- worth the money?

metsfan · April 21, 2010 2:50AM

Was just reading about 2010 Razor Legends of the Diamond. Each pack has 1 card either a pre 1970 psa 7 or better hall of famer or should be hall of famer(Rose,Maris,etc). Also a chance for a pre 1970 psa/dna auto card.

I know this has been done before, but this sounds a little better, of course the msrp is $250/pack, so not for the faint of heart.

Razor Legends of the Diamond

Thoughts?

hammered · April 21, 2010 2:59AM

I think you'll see lots of '68 Aparicio's in PSA 7
Actually, I don't think there are many PSA 7 HOF cards from the 60s that go for over $240.

JeremyDie1 · April 21, 2010 3:07AM

Not sure if you saw this but here is a link from a 10 box break thread from another forum. link

ElToroLoco · April 21, 2010 3:08AM

Interesting product. The update shows a very nice list of cards. If someone could do the VCP maybe we can figure out if $5500 is a good deal. The 55 Topps Koufax is a sick card, you may not want to count that one.

MeteoriteGuy · April 21, 2010 3:13AM

I think I am the only Graded Series collector. One of these days I will start a thread covering all the different Graded Series cards.

In a marketing sense, I think the Graded Card in a pack has to date been a complete failure. The only exception sadly being the BCCG/Walmart boxes, which has more to do with price and location, then real value or collector interest.

Razor has however does a good job with their (Tri-Star) Signa-Cut like cards. They seem to go for several times for then the Tri-Stars and this isn't a bad ideal. Still, seems like they could have had a $100 retail and still provide a very cool card in every pack.

Clear Skies,
Mark

jlzinck · April 21, 2010 4:24AM

I made a post but nobody replied.

I saw these just from the Blowout forums.......

Has anyone seen this product?

I believe it is 1 PSA graded "vintage" card (Not sure how far back they go)

On Blowout boards these were pulled:
I can't find the thread but there was an Auto's Mantle (58 AS I believe) and a dual Auto's Mantle/Mays (60 ro 61 combo card) that were pulled as well as these....
1963 Fleer Clemente PSA7
62 Topps Kaline Auto PSA Authentic
1962 Topps #45 BROOKS ROBINSON PSA8
1967 Topps #400 BOB Roberto CLEMENTE PSA8
1955 Bowman #23 AL KALINE PSA8
1957 Topps #85 LARRY DOBY PSA7

Robert

Mr Kiner

Theodore

CDsNuts · April 21, 2010 4:38AM

It's a grab bag.

storm888 · April 21, 2010 4:39AM

Sounds like overpriced lottery tickets to me.

I would rather just spend the $250 on a card I wanted.

italianstallionyankees · April 21, 2010 5:15AM

1961 #41 A.L. Home Rune Leaders Vcp average $112.98
4/1/10 eBay Auction $104.26
3/29/10 eBay Auction $92.61
3/25/10 eBay Auction $119.39
3/12/10 eBay Auction $124.88
1/18/10 eBay Auction $116.50

1954 Topps #17 Phil Rizzutto Vcp $315.01
2/18/10 eBay Auction $315.04
2/1/10 eBay Listing $395.00
1/24/10 eBay Auction $300.00
1/14/10 eBay Auction $290.00
12/2/09 eBay Auction $322.01
11/25/09 eBay Auction $295.00

1958 Topps #88 Duke Snider Vcp average $72.59
4/6/10 eBay Auction $77.99
2/14/10 eBay Auction $56.02
2/14/10 eBay Auction $86.01
1/28/10 eBay Auction $57.00

1961 Topps Roberto #388 Clemente Vcp Average $182.77
4/8/10 eBay Auction $177.50
4/4/10 eBay Auction $157.50
3/29/10 eBay Auction $168.15
3/7/10 eBay Auction $164.50
3/2/10 eBay Listing $184.99

1965 Topps #477 Steve Carlton Rc Vcp Average $206.04
4/11/10 eBay Auction $193.49
4/11/10 eBay Auction $172.49
3/31/10 eBay Auction $261.66
3/22/10 eBay Listing $225.00

1966 Topps Roberto Clemente #300 Vcp Average $96.18
3/14/10 eBay Auction $91.77
3/11/10 eBay Auction $112.50
2/26/10 eBay Auction $66.00
2/20/10 eBay Auction $91.01

1968 Topps #110 Hank aaron Vcp Average $111.50
4/10/10 eBay Auction $109.49
4/4/10 eBay Auction $124.59
3/7/10 eBay Auction $150.00
1/27/10 eBay Auction $106.94
1/26/10 eBay Auction $103.50
12/21/09 eBay Auction $117.50

italianstallionyankees · April 21, 2010 5:24AM

So Roughly $1,100 out of 7 cards. 1952 Topps Robin Roberts auto psa/dna $40ish... I guess on the 1952 Topps Warren Spahn around $125-$150ish cards is nice and centered depending on the picture it looks maybe a psa 5 if a crease or wrinkle a psa 4. The 1962 Home Run Leaders Orlando Cepeda auto psa/dna roughly $40ish

Total of maybe $1,200-$1,400

Ryan

Morgoth · April 21, 2010 7:27AM

Basically paying 2X the box break looking for the big hit. Sounds pretty much like every other new product on the market.

In this case I would rather spend 2500 on maybe a PSA 7 Clemente RC instead of a chance at a Mantle RC.

larryallen73 · April 21, 2010 7:32AM

Huge waste of money in my opinion.

stevek · April 21, 2010 7:54AM

They already gave the box containing the 55 Koufax to the company owner's brother-in-law. LOL

italianstallionyankees · April 21, 2010 9:27AM

Yes huge waste in my opinion too!!!! Anybody know the production run of these boxes ??? Say less than 10,000 boxes??

Ryan

metsfan · April 22, 2010 1:18AM

<< Yes huge waste in my opinion too!!!! Anybody know the production run of these boxes ??? Say less than 10,000 boxes??

Ryan

>>

Razor usually makes 299 cases, not sure on this product. Think it would be a good seller at $100-$125.

RipublicaninMass · April 22, 2010 1:50AM

<< 

<< Yes huge waste in my opinion too!!!! Anybody know the production run of these boxes ??? Say less than 10,000 boxes??

Ryan

>>

Razor usually makes 299 cases, not sure on this product. Think it would be a good seller at $100-$125. >>

ElToroLoco · April 22, 2010 6:03AM

<< They already gave the box containing the 55 Koufax to the company owner's brother-in-law. LOL >>

Seems rather shady and a huge conflict of interest if this is indeed the case. With the way the hobby is right now, I believe it.

italianstallionyankees · April 22, 2010 2:13PM

<< 

<< They already gave the box containing the 55 Koufax to the company owner's brother-in-law. LOL >>

Seems rather shady and a huge conflict of interest if this is indeed the case. With the way the hobby is right now, I believe it. >>

That is Bs! Anybody find out the production run? The Srp is pretty high. Stopped into my local shop and it was $250.00.... I wonder how much money he buys them for or the markup? Like stated in above posts $100-$150 a box is a bit more realistic and makes it less of a lottery ticket.... imo

Ryan

justmichael · April 22, 2010 11:06PM

I believe direct cost from Razor was $170-$190.I forgot the exact number.
Mike

UlyssesExtravaganza · April 23, 2010 1:28AM

Absolutely not worth the money. Sounds like a C- 7th grade business project idea. Can't believe they went through with it. That's like a $200 per pull slot machine with a 50-80% payout. Some people will do it but no doubt a horrible idea.

MeteoriteGuy · April 23, 2010 1:35AM

Not sure what all this talk about the product being bad or terrible because of likely resale loss when opened. Isn't that true with all cards?

MeteoriteGuy · April 23, 2010 1:40AM

<< Absolutely not worth the money. Sounds like a C- 7th grade business project idea. Can't believe they went through with it. That's like a $200 per pull slot machine with a 50-80% payout. Some people will do it but no doubt a horrible idea. >>

Using the numbers above, 399 razor cases, ~$180 direct cost, with your payout numbers, means they need to sell about ~300 cases to break even......doesn't sound that hard to do. Razer has a history of selling out of its other products. If the purpose of business is to make money, I would not call this a "C- 7th grade business project idea." Looks more like a quick ~$18,000 x how ever many boxes in a case profit.

ElToroLoco · April 23, 2010 1:55PM

Actually, how are these really any different than a grab bag at a card show? These are just the adult version!

fkw · April 23, 2010 3:51PM

Save the $250 and buy a raw T206 Mathewson or a lower grade R319 Gehrig, or a W517 Ruth. or 2 nice clean raw N172's

Topps cards are common, the signed cards by players like Feller, Spahn, Roberts, etc. (if EX or better) are almost worth LESS than if unsigned.

Graded cards in a pack- worth the money?

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