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British coin collectors-Grade help/attribution on these half-pennies please.

Looking for consensus on the grades of a couple nice half pennies donated to the lordM trip effort. I'm disappointed with my imaging on the 1861-
it has more luster than it shows- the wear leads me to believe it's an XF.

The image of the 1862 reverse shows the red color of this piece properly but
the obverse doesn't. Nontheless, the strike is so good I'm wondering if it isn't a proof.
If anything it's even a little more red than I'm showing- were certain half pennies prone
to this very reddish brown?
I also don't like the price that eBay is fetching on non-slabbed half pennies. Should the 1862 be slabbed
for maximum return?

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is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato

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  • Maybe I'm completely off but, the 1862 looks polished/whizzed.
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • coinpicturescoinpictures Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Maybe I'm completely off but, the 1862 looks polished/whizzed. >>



    Or lacquered maybe? Nice detail though...
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    lacquered maybe

    Hmmm, hadn't considered that-are there any telltales?
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • Sure, if you take acetone to it and the glossiness disappears, lacquer it WAS!
    Lurker since '02. Got the seven year itch!

    Gary
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Minute detail, but Britannia's face detail lacking amongst other details...
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    Here are a couple of points worthy of attention I think:

    the 1862 appears to be an impaired bronze proof and the 1861 may qualify as the following:

    F-273 with a die pairing of O-4, R-G, where O is Obverse (I believe) and R is Reverse with rarity an R-13.

    ed to add: if someone wants additional images, I'm willing to take them.
    ed again to add: the 1862 has had an acetone bath and you see it as it is so lacquer is not an issue I guess..
    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
    is that you end up being governed by inferiors. – Plato
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Honest, I am trying to offer some assistance- can you post a picture of the obverse of the 1862?

    I am just trying to see what the surfaces look like

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    submit the 1862 and see what happens- I doubt that there will be agreement that it is an impaired proof. While it could be, there is just something that is off with the fields

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, and as I had added, the detail of the devices, esp. rev. not crisp enough. The fields do not look right for a proof, and there look to be some signs of delamination on them as well. Nice "pebbly" surface to Vicky's bust obv. but this does not make it a proof even with the seeming contrast to the fields. Lettering and edges also just not as crisp as I would like...
    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • wybritwybrit Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭
    1862 is one of the commonest dates in the series, so if it is MS as the pictures suggest, it would be prudent to encapsulate before sale. It probably wouldn't get more than $50 in raw, but should get double that or more if it is 64 or better.

    The '61 is a crapshoot. It is not better than VF (from a British perspective). The obverse picture will have to be better to prove that it is not just a worn Obv 6.
    Former owner, Cambridge Gate collection.
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