Two recent Secure Plus submission results

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jakeblue
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I was hopeful on my 1827 Bust Half, but it did not make the plus:



This Peace dollar I thought was a lock for a 58+. She went in...



and she came out...wrong again!


A plus would of been nice, but the bump-up I will take. image All in all, I think I was pretty fortunate and can't complain.

Lost the one of the pics and had to reload it.

Boom...we win.

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  • relicsncoins
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    Drek, nothing but drek. image
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  • TennesseeDave
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    that seems like very good results.Isn't a 34-S worth way more as a 61 than a 58+?
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  • Connecticoin
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    Geez, getting an upgrade instead of a plus must be disappointing. image
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  • Placid
    Placid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
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    Grats!
  • morgandollar1878
    morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yup, I can sense the disappointment.imageimage
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    Bear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
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    That is a very lovely CB Half.It looks like a just miss, Go for the bean.
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  • ponderit
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    The Capped Bust gets a + in my book... of course that won't even get you a cup of coffee....
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  • Ahrensdad
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    Did you crack the peace dollar first or send it for regrade?
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  • jakeblue
    jakeblue Posts: 339 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>Did you crack the peace dollar first or send it for regrade? >>



    No, I left it in the slab. Too much risk to crack it.

    Boom...we win.

  • etexmike
    etexmike Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭
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    Nice grade bump. I'd take it. image

    I think both are great looking coins.


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  • Mowgli
    Mowgli Posts: 1,219 ✭
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    How much faith are you guys putting in a grader knowing whether a coin deserves a "+" when they can't tell the difference between an AU 58 and an MS 61?
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  • TomB
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    << <i>How much faith are you guys putting in a grader knowing whether a coin deserves a "+" when they can't tell the difference between an AU 58 and an MS 61? >>


    That is a fantastic question!
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  • bushmaster8
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    << <i>How much faith are you guys putting in a grader knowing whether a coin deserves a "+" when they can't tell the difference between an AU 58 and an MS 61? >>



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  • drei3ree
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    I'm having a hard time understanding how an AU58 gets upgraded to an MS61???????? I could maybe see an AU53 or AU55 upgrade to MS61 or MS62... but it seems like AU58 would be at least MS63?
  • relicsncoins
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    << <i>I'm having a hard time understanding how an AU58 gets upgraded to an MS61???????? I could maybe see an AU53 or AU55 upgrade to MS61 or MS62... but it seems like AU58 would be at least MS63? >>



    I'm guessing that's the difference from an AU58+ and an AU58. A 58+ if uncirculated would be a 63 or higher. Where as a 58 would be 62 or lower.
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  • Walkerguy21D
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    That 34S is very nice, and very tough coin, in either holder.
    As for the how and why, etc. - I see slider coins in low end MS holders fairly regularly. I'm guessing it's a technical AU58, but they market graded it up to an MS61. Now was the original guy who graded it correct, and the new grade is a 'gift'? I don't know.
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  • RedHerring
    RedHerring Posts: 2,077 ✭
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    Boy that Peace dollar must be awfully beat up to get a 61.

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  • Bochiman
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    << <i>How much faith are you guys putting in a grader knowing whether a coin deserves a "+" when they can't tell the difference between an AU 58 and an MS 61? >>



    You are assuming it was the same grader for both times being graded?

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  • RWB
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    that seems like very good results.Isn't a 34-S worth way more as a 61 than a 58+?

    Hmmm....looks like the same coin to me. Should have the same "value" to a buyer or seller.


    How much faith are you guys putting in a grader knowing whether a coin deserves a "+" when they can't tell the difference between an AU 58 and an MS 61?

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  • airplanenut
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    << <i>Boy that Peace dollar must be awfully beat up to get a 61.

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    It could also have some light friction and/or broken lustre. If you look at Liberty gold, for example, much of what is in 61 and 62 holders has an almost complete lustre break in front of the bust. I call these AU, but the services often do not. In this case, my guess is that PCGS decided one time that the break was just big enough to warrant calling it circulated, and the next time, it was determined to be just small enough to be uncirculated.
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  • drei3ree
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    << <i>That 34S is very nice, and very tough coin, in either holder.
    As for the how and why, etc. - I see slider coins in low end MS holders fairly regularly. I'm guessing it's a technical AU58, but they market graded it up to an MS61. Now was the original guy who graded it correct, and the new grade is a 'gift'? I don't know. >>



    I know it's BAD form to grade from pics, but I'm gonna go with "GIFT."
  • RedHerring
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    << <i>It could also have some light friction and/or broken lustre. >>



    @airplanenut: yes - I was joking about being beat up and see that you understood this....

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    I agree with several other posts that this is likely a technical 58 market graded to 61 as a gift.

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  • SeattleSlammer
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    .......58 to 61 sure ain't gonna happen very often........




  • RWB
    RWB Posts: 8,082 ✭
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    ......58 to 61 sure ain't gonna happen very often........

    1804 dollars to that all the time. It's called "turning in the holder" I think?
  • IrishMikey
    IrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
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    Well, the good news is that the new laser imaging has the coin as an MS-61, not as an AU-58.

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