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legit wax box?

mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
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Anybody think these are not legit? Awesome box, but expensive and ungraded.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190377055782&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_528wt_939

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  • twileytwiley Posts: 1,923 ✭
    I Don't know but here's the

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  • thunderdanthunderdan Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭
    Wasn't that the box Nate bought from Felicia (who bought from Steve Hart at BBCE)? If it came from BBCE, I would trust the authenticity. Looks like it has the shrink wrapping Steve puts on his boxes as well.

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  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    If it came from BBCE then it is real. He seems to be a legit seller.



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  • mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
    Who is Felicia. and yes, I like BBCE...they are good as gold
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Those are the exact same pics as the ones stolen from Felicia and BBCE and photo-shopped. Also, for some reason that ebay seller looks familiar, but can't remember if that's a good or bad thing. I'm positive that these pics have been used in a previous auction by a fake seller.

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  • mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
    interesting. Does anyone have experience with this seller on high end wax boxes?
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    This seller obviously sells some high-end things, but he also sells coins, so that's a red flag for me (lol).

    Seriously though, I'm sure he has "a" box, but certainly not that one. That pic has been used before, and it's not the one he owns, I'm certain of it. If I'm dropping that much coin, I would request some additional pics, and some of the packs too. I wish I could find the other thread that had pics of this box, with those same views showing.
  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,525 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Who is Felicia. and yes, I like BBCE...they are good as gold >>



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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Those are the exact same pics as the ones stolen from Felicia and BBCE and photo-shopped. Also, for some reason that ebay seller looks familiar, but can't remember if that's a good or bad thing. I'm positive that these pics have been used in a previous auction by a fake seller.

    TEN FOOT POLE! >>



    The pics are the same ones that IJustLoveCards had in their auction except as mentioned above, they've been modified (background was removed, and two pics put into one), Nate bought the box (or a box) from IJustLoveCards in an ebay auction. Nate paid in full for the box to a tune of $9500.00 in 6 business days. During the time between the end of IJustLoveCards' auction and the time Nate paid for it, he used pics from IJustLoveCards listing to place the box up for sale on ebay himself. This seemed to irritate some people here, although Nate came through with payment and had every right to list an item for sale that he had committed to buy.

    Some people on this site, don't like his practices, but I've been dealing with him for years on high dollar transactions and I've never had problems with him and would recommend him unconditionally. His asking prices are usually higher then I like to pay, so I typically sell to him rather then buy from him.

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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This seller obviously sells some high-end things, but he also sells coins, so that's a red flag for me (lol).

    Seriously though, I'm sure he has "a" box, but certainly not that one. That pic has been used before, and it's not the one he owns, I'm certain of it. If I'm dropping that much coin, I would request some additional pics, and some of the packs too. I wish I could find the other thread that had pics of this box, with those same views showing. >>



    If Felicia (IJustLoveCards) had that box and shipped it to Nate, then Nate has/had that box as well. Felicia is the one that had it posted in her auction and Nate bought and paid for that box, so as long as he was shipped the one Felicia advertised, then there is no reason to believe this line "I'm sure he has "a" box, but certainly not that one."

    Mike
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  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Who is Felicia. and yes, I like BBCE...they are good as gold >>



    some guy that used to post here image >>



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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭
    Here is the thread from where IJustLoveCards posted about the box:

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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    so Mike, would you feel comfortable bidding on this box and assume it is in the same shape as it was when it left BBCE?
  • mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
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  • mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
    I trust BBCE. I have worked with them in the past and they are stand up guys
  • mlb1999mlb1999 Posts: 51
    Interesting discussion. Dealer sounds a little flaky, but at least he sounds like someone who is not selling opened wax packs. I wonder how high the box will go. I bet it does not go for $9500 this time. Ill give him $3200 image
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The pics are the same ones that IJustLoveCards had in their auction except as mentioned above, they've been modified (background was removed, and two pics put into one), Nate bought the box (or a box) from IJustLoveCards in an ebay auction. Nate paid in full for the box to a tune of $9500.00 in 6 business days. During the time between the end of IJustLoveCards' auction and the time Nate paid for it, he used pics from IJustLoveCards listing to place the box up for sale on ebay himself. This seemed to irritate some people here, although Nate came through with payment and had every right to list an item for sale that he had committed to buy.

    Some people on this site, don't like his practices, but I've been dealing with him for years on high dollar transactions and I've never had problems with him and would recommend him unconditionally. His asking prices are usually higher then I like to pay, so I typically sell to him rather then buy from him.

    Mike >>



    So you are saying he posted a $10,000 box of cards on ebay without having the box in his possession? I believe that is strictly against ebay policy. Also, the slightest bump or knock to that box can change the value of the box and quality of the cards. He is posting the condition without seeing the box in person which is highly immoral. This may not be anything, he might have received the box already in pristine condition and all is well, but, there is always the off chance that the box gets dropped by the postman or gets lost in which he is seriously on thin ice.
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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,688 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've bought from him before and he tends to use other people's scans because his suck. How do I know this??? Because I asked him for better scan of the item he was selling and when he sent it to me it looked worse than the original. He told me that was the best he could do. I was only asking for the another scan to make sure he had the item. He obliged, but like I said his scan sucked...

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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Thank you for shedding some light on that Mike, and digging up that original thread that I couldn't find.

    So did Nate never end up selling that box the first time he listed it? I wonder if it still has the BBCE cello on it. I would still like to see some newer pics, but I'm not one to ask for them since I'm not in the market. Knowing what I know now about the seller, I wouldn't have a problem buying this box if I were in the market for one.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thank you for shedding some light on that Mike, and digging up that original thread that I couldn't find.

    So did Nate never end up selling that box the first time he listed it? I wonder if it still has the BBCE cello on it. I would still like to see some newer pics, but I'm not one to ask for them since I'm not in the market. Knowing what I know now about the seller, I wouldn't have a problem buying this box if I were in the market for one. >>



    I sent him an email asking that same question. If the BBCE card is still inside the cello wrapping exactly as it came from Steve then I will bid on the box as long as it doesn't get out of control.
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>
    So you are saying he posted a $10,000 box of cards on ebay without having the box in his possession? I believe that is strictly against ebay policy. Also, the slightest bump or knock to that box can change the value of the box and quality of the cards. He is posting the condition without seeing the box in person which is highly immoral. This may not be anything, he might have received the box already in pristine condition and all is well, but, there is always the off chance that the box gets dropped by the postman or gets lost in which he is seriously on thin ice. >>



    Let's take these one at a time:

    "So you are saying he posted a $10,000 box of cards on ebay without having the box in his possession?"

    Yes, that hasn't been disputed. He placed his initial "auction" on ebay before he received the box from IJustLoveCards.

    "I believe that is strictly against ebay policy."

    While you MIGHT be right, that is something I did not know. If that's the case, then every seller that uses a drop shipper violates that provision, as well as every seller that uses a "just in time" inventory system (probably not the correct term per se, but close enough to illustrate my point).

    "Also, the slightest bump or knock to that box can change the value of the box and quality of the cards."

    I agree with you there. Damage can always occur to ANY item in between the time the picture is posted and the time the auction ends, whether or not it's in your physical possession, and if it does, then the seller should take whatever the appropriate steps are to remedy the situation.

    "He is posting the condition without seeing the box in person which is highly immoral."

    How is that "immoral"? Does it defy moral principles? I assume he is relying on the description of the person he bought it from for his original auction back in December. Again, any seller that uses drop shippers or the like, does the exact same thing, and again, if the condition differs when he received it from when he bought it, then he should take appropriate action.

    "This may not be anything, he might have received the box already in pristine condition and all is well, but, there is always the off chance that the box gets dropped by the postman or gets lost in which he is seriously on thin ice"

    Since he paid IJustLoveCards for the box months ago, I don't think I'm going too far out on a limb and believing that it's in his possession. If he's advertising it in one condition and it's in another, then I agree that would not be right, but since it's in his possession, I have to take the giant leap that he knows what condition it is in.



    And Corvette wrote:

    "so Mike, would you feel comfortable bidding on this box and assume it is in the same shape as it was when it left BBCE?"

    I would not bid on it because I don't collect stuff like that, and I have no idea what's happened between the time the box left BBCE, went to IJustLoveCards, went to Nate, etc. Whose to say that somewhere between the trip from BBCE to IJustLoveCards, that the box wasn't intercepted by the Geico Gecko and used for Gecko purposes and then transmitted onto IJustLoveCards. However, that being said, I would feel comfortable buying things from Nate if I felt I was getting a good deal, but as mentioned earlier, his prices tend to be on the high side and I generally feel that I can find the same things he offers, cheaper elsewhere.

    Mike
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,848 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It looks legit to me...re listing an item before having it in-hand: coin dealers routinely run "pre-sale" auctions on ebay for items they receive from the Mint well after the auction's closing (and in that case they are not even sure they will receive said items in which case the seller will issue a refund), and that is within ebay guidelines. However, I doubt this auction will command the 9.5K that Felicia got. A great item in any case, but out of my price range!


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  • waxpackwaxpack Posts: 547
    What did BBCE have that box priced at? I thought it was $10000.00 anyone remember?
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  • hammeredhammered Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭
    Because of his rep on unopened material, it's safe to say that Steve will get higher prices than anyone else.
    So anyone who buys a box that came from BBCE and expects to immediately turn a profit on it is not very bright.
    Just my opinion of course, and I could be wrong, we'll see where the box ends. But this seller could possibly lose $2K+ on this transaction.
    I think the only way he could profit on this is to 1) sit on the box until the market changes or 2) consign it to REA or the like.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    Dam..somebody beat me to IJustLoveCards----here is the thread on this scumbag!!

    Previous thread
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    To Clarify---I justlovecards is not the scumbag--- it's this guy that is currently selling it on ebay
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    the seller still hasn't answered my question as to whether or not the BBCE card is still encased in the wrapping. If he doesn't answer then he will not get a bid from me although I'd love the box if it is in the same state as it was when it left Mr. Hart.
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>the seller still hasn't answered my question as to whether or not the BBCE card is still encased in the wrapping. If he doesn't answer then he will not get a bid from me although I'd love the box if it is in the same state as it was when it left Mr. Hart. >>



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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>the seller still hasn't answered my question as to whether or not the BBCE card is still encased in the wrapping. If he doesn't answer then he will not get a bid from me although I'd love the box if it is in the same state as it was when it left Mr. Hart. >>



    he's busy looking for the card to reinsert image >>




    yeah, why in the world wouldn't you state that it came from BBCE and show the card and wrapping unless you've already opened it? Either that or the seller is just an idiot.
  • bkingbking Posts: 3,095 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>the seller still hasn't answered my question as to whether or not the BBCE card is still encased in the wrapping. If he doesn't answer then he will not get a bid from me although I'd love the box if it is in the same state as it was when it left Mr. Hart. >>



    he's busy looking for the card to reinsert image >>




    yeah, why in the world wouldn't you state that it came from BBCE and show the card and wrapping unless you've already opened it? Either that or the seller is just an idiot. >>



    Exactly - if I'm touting that it came from BBCE, I'm showing all the telltale signs CLEARLY in my photos. Why allow any unnecessary doubt to creep into potential buyers' heads when you can turn that info into a positive so easily?
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  • minnesotahuskerminnesotahusker Posts: 642 ✭✭✭
    Wow he's got some good prices coming in on some of his coins!!!! Holy buckets.
  • fiveninerfiveniner Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭
    FINAL PRICE 7988
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,487 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does anyone know what he paid for the box?

    Just curious.

    Except for very few, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for unopened from a stranger - just plain risky IMO.
    Mike
  • leftofdialleftofdial Posts: 444 ✭✭
    In my opinion, it would be very easy for a shady person to buy a shrinkwrapping machine and "reseal" boxes with Steve's card in side. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. If I bought a box like that from Steve, I'd probably never open it and therefore never know what's inside. I trust boxes that are shrinkwrapped with a BBCE card ONLY if they were sent from Steve himself.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭


    << <i>Does anyone know what he paid for the box?

    Just curious.

    Except for very few, I wouldn't pay that kind of money for unopened from a stranger - just plain risky IMO. >>



    He paid $18,000 to IJustLovecards---see prior thread
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    He paid $18,000 to IJustLovecards---see prior thread >>





    He paid $9,500 to IJustLovecards---see prior thread
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