1975 BB

DrLou · March 8, 2010 11:04AM

I am considering buying a '75 BB raw (Near Mint condition) of this full set but could I be satisfied with Brett & Yount only? Does anyone here own the full set and convince me the Yount/Brett is not enough?

otwcards · March 8, 2010 11:12AM

Isn't that like wanting to buy a house, but you only buy the bathtub?

Must be a Beckett thing...

DrLou · March 8, 2010 11:17AM

Isn't that like wanting to buy a house, but you only buy the bathtub? ---Good analogy, but if the rest of the house is like the one in Money Pit, wouldn't they have been better off just buying the tub?

WalterSobchak · March 8, 2010 11:20AM

I am very slowly picking away at that set. My goal is NM+ or better, with stars and team cards graded PSA 8/9.
I have the Yount and the Brett, and I don't yet have the urge to stop buying '75's.

Hope that helps.

JHS5120 · March 8, 2010 12:09PM

The 1975 topps set is the most beautiful regular issue 70s set. It has several hall of fame rookies (brett, yount, rice and carter) and plenty of future hall of famers and stars rookies (keith Hernandez and Fred Lynn). The set is amazing to collect and is plagued with off centered examples and chipping along the borders and corners. A high grade set is an affordable and beautiful set to own. Just an opinion.

DrLou · March 8, 2010 12:21PM

Ok, but does this logic apply if you just buy a NM raw set?????

Estil · March 8, 2010 12:23PM

I would recommend at least having the keys in PSA 7 or higher. That's what I'm doing.

otwcards · March 8, 2010 1:10PM

Why not buy the whole set? You should be able to buy it in NM/MT to MINT for 10% of Beckett based upon your previous threads...

What does it book at? Maybe $350? So, if your earlier statements are correct, you should get a real nice set for $35. Good luck!

DrLou · March 8, 2010 1:15PM

It books for $600 Einstein, and I never said Beckett was off 90% when it comes to actual NM cards, especially pre-80s. It's actually only off 50%. You could have a NM '75 set for $300...

lsutigers1973 · March 8, 2010 1:33PM

What kind of doctor are you? ALTernative doctor maybe?

otwcards · March 8, 2010 1:35PM

So, you're changing your stance, now?

So take a look at Beckett and 1948 Leaf Football and tell me you can buy most of those cards in such conditions at 50% of Beckett...

Keep on talking and you'll double track on almost everything you've said or spin doctor it to suit your needs.

And if you want you label me Einstein, that's fine. As I said before, I haven't bought a Beckett in eons.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that you're a bit looney... So, how's the class action lawsuit going?

DrLou · March 8, 2010 1:47PM

According to Beckett, a NM '75 Set Books for $600, yet the same set can be bought on eBay for $300 and therefore Beckett is overpriced x2.... But you obviously don't realize that, perhaps you were being shuttled to VOTECH school while I was taking math class

BTW--Pointing out an anomaly of Beckett prices '48 Leaf FB (from someone that hasn't owned Beckett for "eons") proves nada...

lsutigers1973 · March 8, 2010 1:49PM

<< <i>According to Beckett, a NM '75 Set Books for $600, yet the same set can be bought on eBay for $300 and therefore Beckett is overpriced x2.... >>

How many times are you going to sing this song?

What kind of doctor are you?

DrLou · March 8, 2010 1:54PM

I'd rather not sing this tune again but OTW seems bent on proving to me that Beckett is not all that inaccuarate so I'll beat this d*** drum as long as I want

lsutigers1973 · March 8, 2010 1:55PM

What kind of doctor are you?

otwcards · March 8, 2010 1:59PM

You really don't get it, do you?

I like the juvenile snaps. Einstein and VOTECH. Quite special. Did you get your honorary doctorate from NAMBLA...

Brian48 · March 8, 2010 2:00PM

This was my all time favorite set growing up (still is). It's chock full of stars, HOF'ers, and rookies. One of the best of all time IMO.

itzagoner · March 8, 2010 3:45PM

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Overloaded, down the drain

Somebody get me a doctor

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Overloaded baby, I can hardly walk

Somebody get me a doctor (Ooh!)
Somebody get me a doctor

Yeah! I'm feelin' over fine
And I'm speedin', down that line

Woo, woo!

(Guitar Solo)

Ow! Ow! Ow!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
Woo!
Oh, woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo!

Ow!
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Ya better call up a doctor, feelin high
I'm overloaded baby, I say "Bye-bye!"

Somebody get me a doctor. Oh, yeah!
Somebody get me a doctor. Ooh, ooh!
Somebody get me a doctor. Ah, yeah!
Ooh!

Somebody give me a shot!

Blacklabelsociety · March 8, 2010 5:15PM

Probably my favorite set of all time.

fiveniner · March 8, 2010 7:39PM

Buy the entire set.You will not be sorry.#1 70s set in my book.

GDM67 · March 8, 2010 8:00PM

Most of us need help stopping buying cards, not convincing us to start.

Maybe Baseball card collecting just isn't for you.

Indy78 · March 8, 2010 11:37PM

According to Beckett, a NM '75 Set Books for $600, yet the same set can be bought on eBay for $300 and therefore Beckett is overpriced x2.... But you obviously don't realize that, perhaps you were being shuttled to VOTECH school while I was taking math class BTW--Pointing out an anomaly of Beckett prices '48 Leaf FB (from someone that hasn't owned Beckett for "eons") proves nada...

I'm a very avid collector of this set and the mini version, and have personally seen dozens of regular sets in person priced at around $300. All claimed to be near mint, but not one, and I mean not one, was a near mint set IMO. If any one of these sets were truly NM, I would have gobbled them up at $300 in a heartbeat. But, all were EX or maybe EX-MT overall at best.

A true NM set in raw form will easily fetch $600 IMO.

YogiBerraFan · March 8, 2010 11:37PM

<< <i>Most of us need help stopping buying cards, not convincing us to start. >>

Stone193 · March 9, 2010 1:17AM

I do have an opinion about sets...

IMO - there's a difference between "set collecting" and a "collector of sets."

I find it much more enjoyable and challenging to set a goal towards specific sets and find the pieces.

Collecting sets that are complete lacks the personal touch for me - I am talking about older sets - from lets say 1985 and back.

otwcards · March 9, 2010 9:19AM

As was stated by Indy78 with regard to the 1975 baseball set, such is the case with most sets pre-1980. People fall under the illusion that because they see a set advertised as NM or NM/MT on eBay and watch it close for a fraction of the "book" price that that must be the rule without realizing that the set is almost always overgraded and overstated.

As an active buyer and seller, I can assure you that truly NM and NM/MT sets from that era and earlier sell for "book" and above. I'll gladly pay full "book" and above on most NM/MT football sets prior to 1975 without knowing how much they've changed (if at all) in the price guide over past decade.

Now, if you're talking about the mass produced crap from the early 1990's to present, we're in partial agreement. Prices on players that peaked and then fell off the radar have NEVER been rightfully adjusted. Names like Jason Giambi, Nomar Garciaparra, Andruw Jones, Mo Vaughn, Chuck Knoblauch, Cecil Fielder, Albert Bell and many others that I'm sure still book pretty high probably couldn't be sold for pennies on the dollar. But the blanket statement that real prices are 10% of what they are listed at is such a falsehood and can be proven to be erroneous with just a little research and the examples with be far more than just a few "anomalies." But then again, that won't suit your contention, will it?

DrLou · March 9, 2010 9:30AM

I think you misunderstood by original "90%" statement. I was estimating that 90% of cards listed in Beckett are inflated NOT that each price is inflated by 90% or could be had for 10% of the stated HBV...I stand by my original estimate. In regards to the '75 set, it is listed in Nrmt HBV $600 (NOT NM-MT) and I stand by that an ACTUAL NM set can be picked up for around $300 (or very close to it). Beckett for 70s era cards estimates the NM-MT cards fetch 125-200% of book, so by this calculation a NM-MT '75 set is valued between $750-$1200. So would you pay that?

otwcards · March 9, 2010 11:34AM

I will still contend that most of the pre-1975 material is accurately priced. You can say what you want to say and go out and spend $300 for your "NM" set, but you'll end up with an EX/MT set at best...

I would not buy the 1975 Topps Baseball Set. I stated what I would pay and do pay for FOOTBALL in strict condition.

Isn't it time for you to hurl another insult?

lwehlers · March 9, 2010 11:39AM

i also built my 75 set with the key stars all in psa 7 grade. i then cracked out the cards out of the holders and it made my set really great look at. it is next to 72 and 76 the best sets of the 70's. i thinking about starting a 1971 topps baseball set but i may have to set my grading standards down to psa 6 quality. from what i am seeing it will be tough with my budget to build a really nice nm set.

DrLou · March 9, 2010 11:43AM

I will still contend that most of the pre-1975 material is accurately priced. Wow. You really haven't looked at Beckett for a while. I have a NM '71 BB set for $2500, PM me. Also, a '59 BB for 8K, etc. etc. etc....

Indy78 · March 9, 2010 12:02PM

Building a true NM-MT 1975 T BB set from scratch will cost at least $700 and probably closer to $900. I know, because I've built one and part of another. The Brett alone in true NM-MT condition will run at least $100. The Aaron about $75, the Yount about $50, and the Ryan about $50-$75.

I suppose anything is possible, such that one might get lucky on occasion and find a true Nrmt to NM-MT set on eBay or a similar venue for $300 or $400. I haven't been so lucky with this set, but I must admit, I did find a very nice 1976 T BB set for $125 through a private sale, which was a bargain considering the great condition. However, this isn't the norm in my experience.

I'm not trying to insult anybody here, and I don't follow the price guides much. I'm just sharing my experiences with this set.

otwcards · March 9, 2010 12:26PM

<< <i>I will still contend that most of the pre-1975 material is accurately priced. Wow. You really haven't looked at Beckett for a while. I have a NM '71 BB set for $2500, PM me. Also, a '59 BB for 8K, etc. etc. etc.... >>

Is there any particular reason that you are so dense . . .

FOOTBALL! FOOTBALL! FOOTBALL! I said that I would pay such numbers on FOOTBALL!!! I guess you never even got on the bus, did you?

DrLou · March 9, 2010 12:35PM

I am done with you Yoda. I'm sure Beckett is miraculously accurate with football but just have a blind spot with baseball

You also seemed to drop your 90% BS rant when I put you in your place about what I actually said...

WalterSobchak · March 9, 2010 12:41PM

I may be in the minority here, but I think there's a possibility otwcards might actually have been referring to '75T football when discussing pricing earlier.

If I'm right about this, there's your disconnect.

fkw · March 9, 2010 4:33PM

Its a price GUIDE.

Not Price Guarantee! Use it as a guide, its not exact and cant predict the future or present values or what something will sell for...exactly.

In that case Im sure those 2 cards have A LOT to do with the overall worth of the particular set FOR SALE. Maybe the set averages are Raw NRMT, but some are MINT and some are EX+ (including Yount and Brett) Need to see good scans of the key cards and go from there.

But I also think you should 1st try to figure out if you are a "rookie collector", "set collector" or what??? I think thats the first prob here.

I think you should buy the set minus the Yount and Brett cards IMO. That would be cool.

The 1975 cards are so ugly, I have always liked them (mainly the Minis I collected as a kid). Pure 70's! the 1972's too

otwcards · March 10, 2010 12:57PM

<< <i>I am done with you Yoda. I'm sure Beckett is miraculously accurate with football but just have a blind spot with baseball

You also seemed to drop your 90% BS rant when I put you in your place about what I actually said... >>

You're my hero. The day you have half enough intelligence to put me "in my place" will be a cold, cold day in Hell. You're too busy working on your next childish insult to read much of anything that's been written on the subject you've broached previously. Feel free to disagree. However, it seems to be that you are ALWAYS right and never let the facts get in your way of your convoluted assumptions and generalizations.

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