Big Shipping Price INCREASE

kwtoz · February 23, 2010 10:04AM

The new rates are out, however, PSA didn't do any favors. I was expect lower with no more registered mail.

I'm looking to send out a 90 card submission, value $1200 oin the February Special.

On the old system, this would cost $41.75.

In the new system, this is $29.95 + (90 - 25) * $0.25 or $46.20.

That's almost an 11% increase in cost to ship what is a more inexpensive way.

MULLINS5 · February 23, 2010 10:11AM

A lot of people are complaining, and I didn't sense any frustration in your post, but it is what it is, and we just need to factor it into our orders.

italianstallionyankees · February 23, 2010 10:15AM

Orders that were shipped on Bill's big group sub are these eligible for the free vouchers???

Ryan

leadoff4 · February 23, 2010 10:19AM

I agree. If you sent out 50 cards with a value of between $1001-5000 it would've cost $33.35 under the old shipping rates. With the new ones it looks like it would be $29.95 + .25 per card which would equal $6.00 for a total of $35.95... about an 8% increase. I thought the message was something like "passing on savings to the customer"???

OAKESY25 · February 23, 2010 10:30AM

forget my question.. I see it

Blackborder · February 23, 2010 10:32AM

http://www.psacard.com/postage.chtml

backbidder · February 23, 2010 10:46AM

<< I thought the message was something like "passing on savings to the customer"??? >>

The exact quote was "The ONLY meaningful difference to the customer is that the new method will SAVE YOU MONEY - that's it."

hmmm......

GoDodgersFan · February 23, 2010 11:03AM

All I can say is that I will factor the shipping cost to/from PSA for all my submisssions. Bottom line,
fewer submissions and with fewer cards per order. Prices on ebay, in general, have gone down
and I just have to be more selective than ever. I am a collector, but I also want the stuff I collect to
hold some value too.

This is a free market economy and PSA does have the right to revise their shipping prices accordingly.

SDavid · February 23, 2010 11:39AM

Are their fed-ex ground return shipping charges posted anywhere on their site? The back of the sub refers to fed-ex, but there's no mention of charges.

I'll probably use them for low value orders.

otwcards · February 23, 2010 11:41AM

<< Are their fed-ex ground return shipping charges posted anywhere on their site? The back of the sub refers to fed-ex, but there's no mention of charges.

I'll probably use them for low value orders. >>

Return shipping via FedEx is on the submitter's account, not a charge from PSA.

RonBurgundy · February 23, 2010 12:33PM

This is ridonkulous. I'll ship on my FedEx account from now on.

leathtech · February 23, 2010 12:43PM

FEDEX is the only way to go... just go to fedex.com and open a free account - all you need is a cc on file. I've been doing it that way for over a year with no issues and cards come much faster!

vladguerrero · February 23, 2010 12:57PM

Maybe the plan is to get people to open FedEx accounts, so they don't have to go to a postal outlet to drop off (FexEx picks up), so that would be an additional savings in addition to the price increase for lower service and 'in house' insurance.

54topps · February 23, 2010 12:59PM

<< This is ridonkulous. I'll ship on my FedEx account from now on. >>

I totally agree. PSA shipping costs are way to high!!

Carew29 · February 23, 2010 1:15PM

Ok this should clear things up. This is a direct quote from Joe's thread on saturday----"The ONLY meaningful difference to the customer is that the new method will SAVE YOU MONEY - that's it."

Just glad i was there to help you guys

storm888 · February 23, 2010 1:21PM

"...I totally agree. PSA shipping costs are way to high!! ..."

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What should the costs be?

waxpack · February 23, 2010 1:26PM

<< "...I totally agree. PSA shipping costs are way to high!! ..."

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What should the costs be? >>

Free shipping, the ebay way

MooseDog · February 23, 2010 1:28PM

<< Maybe the plan is to get people to open FedEx accounts, so they don't have to go to a postal outlet to drop off (FexEx picks up), so that would be an additional savings in addition to the price increase for lower service and 'in house' insurance. >>

USPS picks up too...

...but I agree with the posters who suggest using FedEx. It costs nothing to set up an account, you can print labels on your printer and in my experience the shipping has been fast and trouble free.

SDavid · February 23, 2010 2:41PM

I just read this thread and saw Carol's note about PSA not insuring the package if you use fed-ex.

Do you guys have some way of arranging insurance in your fed-ex account or do you just take the chance that nothing happens?

diamondman · February 23, 2010 3:07PM

please learn a business lesson here. everyone should double their shipping and handling cost to all of your Ebay customers and blame it on PSA and Ebay with their new FVF fees and PSA shipping costs . who cares if your DSR's drop to 2.1 or 1.9. Also the big news coming in march is:

PSA and Ebay have Merged and will now be called peebaygem10.com

diamondman · February 23, 2010 3:10PM

<< 

<< "...I totally agree. PSA shipping costs are way to high!! ..."

Complain to ebay and give them 1 or 2 stars across the board.

Sportsamerica · February 23, 2010 9:34PM

My last sub about 50 cards shipped via Fed Ex 3day was 18.75

MooseDog · February 23, 2010 10:53PM

<< Do you guys have some way of arranging insurance in your fed-ex account or do you just take the chance that nothing happens? >>

The first $100 of declared value is included. It was about 35 or 50 cents per $100 thereafter, may be more now. Too lazy to look up but just go to fedex.com and check it out for yourself.

onefasttalon · February 24, 2010 12:01AM

I just signed up for a Fedex account myself... it was quick and easy. I think I'll give it a shot on my next sub.

It ought to be interesting to hear PSA's response now. It's hard to understand why Joe would say they're passing the savings to us, and then RAISE the cost.
Got me... maybe we'll get an answer, maybe we won't.

Either way, I doubt many (if any) will stop using PSA's services because of this.

SDavid · February 24, 2010 12:05AM

<< 

<< Do you guys have some way of arranging insurance in your fed-ex account or do you just take the chance that nothing happens? >>

The first $100 of declared value is included. It was about 35 or 50 cents per $100 thereafter, may be more now. Too lazy to look up but just go to fedex.com and check it out for yourself. >>

Yeah, it wasn't really the rates that had me confused. I've looked through my account. I still don't see how you arrange insurance when you're not the sender since psa does not insure the packages for your declared value. I guess I'll call psa when they open.

WinPitcher · February 24, 2010 12:13AM

But but, didn't Joe say they did this to SAVE US money?

Steve

jeffcbay · February 24, 2010 12:19AM

<< Either way, I doubt many (if any) will stop using PSA's services because of this. >>

True. If it is an increase, it can't possibly be that significant. Definitely won't effect my subbing. The anger probably comes from being nickle and dimed.

KbKards · February 24, 2010 2:52AM

The PO increased their rates earlier this year. If PSA didn't increase their rates yet this year to reflect the new rates then it's very possible the new Priority level rates are cheaper than what PSA was planning to raise their old Registered rates to. The PO also added some killer new size requirements when calculating the new rates. If an order doesn't fit in some sort of flat rate box then the PO rates really go up quick especially when going coast to coast.

hammered · February 24, 2010 2:57AM

<< My last sub about 50 cards shipped via Fed Ex 3day was 18.75 >>

Was that insured?
I've considered using FedEx as well, but what kept me from doing it was the insurance coverage I'd have to find on my own.

hammered · February 24, 2010 3:00AM

<< 

<< Do you guys have some way of arranging insurance in your fed-ex account or do you just take the chance that nothing happens? >>

The first $100 of declared value is included. It was about 35 or 50 cents per $100 thereafter, may be more now. Too lazy to look up but just go to fedex.com and check it out for yourself. >>

That is very strange. When I spoke to FedEx, they said they do not offer insurance on collectibles. Which company do you use for coverage beyond the $100?

bking · February 24, 2010 3:10AM

For what's it worth, I just threw a spreadsheet together, and the new rates ARE cheaper for smaller submissions.

The breakeven point is somewhere north of 50 cards. At a declared value of anywhere south of $5K, submitting 25 or 50 cards is always less by anywhere from $.05 to $7.55 with one exception - 50 cards at $2K costs $1.20 more. At 100 cards, the rates almost double.

Count Decl Val Old New
25 500 28.25 21.95
25 1000 29.50 21.95
25 2000 35.00 29.95
25 5000 35.00 29.95
50 500 28.25 28.20
50 1000 29.50 28.20
50 2000 35.00 36.20
50 5000 41.75 36.20
100 2000 46.85 86.20
100 5000 46.85 86.20

Unless my math skills failed me today of course.

SDavid · February 24, 2010 3:26AM

<< For what's it worth, I just threw a spreadsheet together, and the new rates ARE cheaper for smaller submissions.

The breakeven point is somewhere north of 50 cards. At a declared value of anywhere south of $5K, submitting 25 or 50 cards is always less by anywhere from $.05 to $7.55 with one exception - 50 cards at $2K costs $1.20 more. At 100 cards, the rates almost double.

Count Decl Val Old New
25 500 28.25 21.95
25 1000 29.50 21.95
25 2000 35.00 29.95
25 5000 35.00 29.95
50 500 28.25 28.20
50 1000 29.50 28.20
50 2000 35.00 36.20
50 5000 41.75 36.20
100 2000 46.85 86.20
100 5000 46.85 86.20

Unless my math skills failed me today of course. >>

86.20 for 100 cards insured $2000-$5000 isn't right. It would be 29.95 + (.25 * 75) = $48.70

bking · February 24, 2010 4:02AM

<< 

<< For what's it worth, I just threw a spreadsheet together, and the new rates ARE cheaper for smaller submissions.

The breakeven point is somewhere north of 50 cards. At a declared value of anywhere south of $5K, submitting 25 or 50 cards is always less by anywhere from $.05 to $7.55 with one exception - 50 cards at $2K costs $1.20 more. At 100 cards, the rates almost double.

Count Decl Val Old New
25 500 28.25 21.95
25 1000 29.50 21.95
25 2000 35.00 29.95
25 5000 35.00 29.95
50 500 28.25 28.20
50 1000 29.50 28.20
50 2000 35.00 36.20
50 5000 41.75 36.20
100 2000 46.85 86.20
100 5000 46.85 86.20

Unless my math skills failed me today of course. >>

86.20 for 100 cards insured $2000-$5000 isn't right. It would be 29.95 + (.25 * 75) = $48.70 >>

Where the hell did I get 86.40???? You're right. So, it's essentially cheaper or a wash up to 100 cards.

Still want to know about signature confirmation, but I am happy at the cheaper rates and faster shipping.

SDavid · February 24, 2010 4:04AM

Just spoke with PSA and Fedex and here's what I was told:

Fedex will cover a package for its declared value if they find themselves at fault for loss/damage. The rep said they would cover sports cards, just not antiques.

However, for return shipping, PSA does not declare a value on fed ex packages. You need your own third party insurance if you want the package insured.

edited to add: The psa rep said fedex wouldn't cover collectibles. It's certainly possibly that the fedex rep I spoke to was wrong. If no declared value is placed on the packages, then it's a moot point.

bking · February 24, 2010 4:27AM

<< Just spoke with PSA and Fedex and here's what I was told:

Fedex will cover a package for its declared value if they find themselves at fault for loss/damage. The rep said they would cover sports cards, just not antiques.

However, for return shipping, PSA does not declare a value on fed ex packages. You need your own third party insurance if you want the package insured.

edited to add: The psa rep said fedex wouldn't cover collectibles. It's certainly possibly that the fedex rep I spoke to was wrong. If no declared value is placed on the packages, then it's a moot point. >>

I'm confused, but what's new?? If they don't declare a value, then how the heck does USPS mail insurance work?

hammered · February 24, 2010 4:43AM

<< However, for return shipping, PSA does not declare a value on fed ex packages. You need your own third party insurance if you want the package insured.

edited to add: The psa rep said fedex wouldn't cover collectibles. It's certainly possibly that the fedex rep I spoke to was wrong. If no declared value is placed on the packages, then it's a moot point. >>

This was also my understanding. It's the return shipping from PSA that is of greatest concern. A $100 package going to PSA could (depending on grades) be a $1000 package coming back.

And it's the 3rd-party insurance requirement in the return package that kept me from setting up a Fedex account

WinPitcher · February 24, 2010 4:47AM

<< If they don't declare a value, then how the heck does USPS mail insurance work? >>

The way I read it was (maybe) when using Fed Ex PSA does not declare a value?

In the past (since I never had a problem) perhaps they used a 3rd party insurance?

Steve

SDavid · February 24, 2010 4:48AM

<< 

<< Just spoke with PSA and Fedex and here's what I was told:

Fedex will cover a package for its declared value if they find themselves at fault for loss/damage. The rep said they would cover sports cards, just not antiques.

However, for return shipping, PSA does not declare a value on fed ex packages. You need your own third party insurance if you want the package insured.

edited to add: The psa rep said fedex wouldn't cover collectibles. It's certainly possibly that the fedex rep I spoke to was wrong. If no declared value is placed on the packages, then it's a moot point. >>

I'm confused, but what's new?? If they don't declare a value, then how the heck does USPS mail insurance work? >>

I was only talking about fedex packages. USPS packages are insured for your declared value. Who there insured with, I don't know. It seems like it's with a third party insurer, but I didn't go there.

KbKards · February 24, 2010 5:20AM

On my submission forms under the check box for selecting Fed Ex is a space for your Fed Ex account #, Insurance limit, service level, and if you want it sent signature required. You have complete control over how PSA ships your package using your FedEx account number. If you want to save money by instructing PSA to declare no value on your $10,000 box of cards and ship it with no signature required it's entirely up to you. If the box gets lost it's your problem. If you pay the normal PSA published rate to ship your cards then PSA is responsible for your cards.

SDavid · February 24, 2010 5:39AM

<< On my submission forms under the check box for selecting Fed Ex is a space for your Fed Ex account #, Insurance limit, service level, and if you want it sent signature required. You have complete control over how PSA ships your package using your FedEx account number. If you want to save money by instructing PSA to declare no value on your $10,000 box of cards and ship it with no signature required it's entirely up to you. If the box gets lost it's your problem. If you pay the normal PSA published rate to ship your cards then PSA is responsible for your cards. >>

Well that's not what I was told by the two psa reps I spoke with.

The second one said point blank there is no declared value on your return shipments via fed ex. Not an option. She also said that if you use fed ex, the value you declare on your form is just for any third party insurance you have, meaning it's useless if you aren't using a separate insurer.

I'll ask Carol to respond to this.

SportsModerator2 · February 24, 2010 6:33AM

<< 

<< On my submission forms under the check box for selecting Fed Ex is a space for your Fed Ex account #, Insurance limit, service level, and if you want it sent signature required. You have complete control over how PSA ships your package using your FedEx account number. If you want to save money by instructing PSA to declare no value on your $10,000 box of cards and ship it with no signature required it's entirely up to you. If the box gets lost it's your problem. If you pay the normal PSA published rate to ship your cards then PSA is responsible for your cards. >>

Well that's not what I was told by the two psa reps I spoke with.

The second one said point blank there is no declared value on your return shipments via fed ex. Not an option. She also said that if you use fed ex, the value you declare on your form is just for any third party insurance you have, meaning it's useless if you aren't using a separate insurer.

I'll ask Carol to respond to this. >>

The reason we ask for the declared value for Fed Ex in that area is because you may have a limit of insurance for each package by your third party insurer so it is a double check on our part to not exceed that when packing an order(s) to be shipped back to you. One person may carry 5000 per package another may carry 100,000 per package. It may depend on the day of the week an item is shipped. You may have a lower limit if shipped on a Friday vs. shipped on a Monday.

If PSA ships something to you on our Fed Ex account the package is fully insured. Right now we only offer Fed Ex on some items through PSA/DNA.

I haven't checked the rules in awhile and I see in another post someone linked my response from 2006 so I don't know if things have changed but....
My understanding is that if you are going to have us ship orders back to you on your Fed Ex account you need to have your own third party insurance.
I believe Fed Ex only will cover up to $100 of value. This could have changed over the years and Fed Ex is your best place to check on what Fed Ex policies are and how they may apply to you.

Over the years people have asked where to get this insurance and I've always told them to start with your current agent, if they don't do it they should know who does.

Carol

SportsModerator2 · February 24, 2010 6:39AM

<< 

<< If they don't declare a value, then how the heck does USPS mail insurance work? >>

The way I read it was (maybe) when using Fed Ex PSA does not declare a value?

In the past (since I never had a problem) perhaps they used a 3rd party insurance?

Steve >>

Steve,

I don't understand your comments here.

We don't ship orders back Fed Ex as a general rule on our Fed Ex account.
Are you referring to PSA shipping orders back to you on your Fed Ex account?
If so, please see my previous post regarding insurance.'

Any packages we send Fed Ex on our account we do have insurance for it via third party.

The confusion seems to stem from the difference of PSA using their account vs. your account.

effe · February 24, 2010 9:50AM

Ok, I'm confused. What fee schedule should I be using to ship cards for the February special? It sounds like they are already shipping Priority, so do I still have to pay for Registered?

SportsModerator2 · February 24, 2010 10:03AM

<< Ok, I'm confused. What fee schedule should I be using to ship cards for the February special? It sounds like they are already shipping Priority, so do I still have to pay for Registered? >>

If we are not going to get the package until March 1st or later (example: postmarked Friday the 26 or Sat the 27th) go ahead and use the new shipping chart located here

WinPitcher · February 24, 2010 10:06AM

Not to worry Carol I was confused too. I was simply replying to what I thought someone else

said, I was not stating anything as fact.

Steve

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