If you've ever started a set and changed the goal - I would like ya to share it here - my stroll dow
Stone193
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When I started the set in December of 2003, I was gonna be happy doing the cards on the PSA 8 econo-plan. These can go for somewhere between 55 and 67% of SMR on average.
Further, this would involve alot of 60/40 cards - and some really weak slider 8s.
As time went on, I didn't like the appearance of these cards and started to focus in on more centered cards - which many times go a little over SMR.
So, as the set evolved, I changed and now look for the 55/45 to 50/50 type cards - and with the 63F - that's a tall order!
I'm 85% finished and am patiently waiting for the remainder to come on ebay; adhering - of course - now - to this newly acquired fastidious (anal ) humor towards the set.
So, here are two upgrades to the set: what do ya think?
The Elroy was a BIN or BO - I asked for 10% off - which I thought was fair; they went for it.
The Spahn is tough to find centered - so I'm really happy with this one.
I can't believe I'm saying this - but it's getting to be a labor of love. I don't need to have every card be a 9 or even 8.5 - if the 8 is centered, I'm there!
This is one where the set goal went up, not down - but then - again - this is a 67 card set - but I have spent alot of time on it - I'm not in any hurry - I enjoy the hunt and getting a nice card. I may try doing the set with near perfect centering in a 7 or 6 also since it would be more affordable - if it weren't for the fact that I've been working on it so long, I wouldn't be able to afford to do it in 8/9.
What about you?
Further, this would involve alot of 60/40 cards - and some really weak slider 8s.
As time went on, I didn't like the appearance of these cards and started to focus in on more centered cards - which many times go a little over SMR.
So, as the set evolved, I changed and now look for the 55/45 to 50/50 type cards - and with the 63F - that's a tall order!
I'm 85% finished and am patiently waiting for the remainder to come on ebay; adhering - of course - now - to this newly acquired fastidious (anal ) humor towards the set.
So, here are two upgrades to the set: what do ya think?
The Elroy was a BIN or BO - I asked for 10% off - which I thought was fair; they went for it.
The Spahn is tough to find centered - so I'm really happy with this one.
I can't believe I'm saying this - but it's getting to be a labor of love. I don't need to have every card be a 9 or even 8.5 - if the 8 is centered, I'm there!
This is one where the set goal went up, not down - but then - again - this is a 67 card set - but I have spent alot of time on it - I'm not in any hurry - I enjoy the hunt and getting a nice card. I may try doing the set with near perfect centering in a 7 or 6 also since it would be more affordable - if it weren't for the fact that I've been working on it so long, I wouldn't be able to afford to do it in 8/9.
What about you?
Mike
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Mike
<< <i>Nice cards Mike. Were the 63 Fleers issued with gum? Or with stickers or something else? How big is that set?
Mike >>
Mike this is an interesting set.
In order to try to avoid a patent/copyright infringement with Topps - they chose to add a cherry cookie to the pack - their rationale - it wasn't the same kind of food/confection.
But, it didn't matter - Topps challanged them in court and won based on the fact that they had the players under exclusive contract.
Thus, Fleer had to stop with a series 1: 66 cards and 1 checklist.
Just imagine if a 2nd series could've been done with the like of Mantle and Williams!
The big challenge with this set is centering - there's not tons of rough cuts and plenty of sharp cornered cards - but centering is another issue entirely!
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<< <i>Nice cards Mike. Were the 63 Fleers issued with gum? Or with stickers or something else? How big is that set?
Mike >>
Mike this is an interesting set.
In order to try to avoid a patent/copyright infringement with Topps - they chose to add a cherry cookie to the pack - their rationale - it wasn't the same kind of food/confection.
But, it didn't matter - Topps challanged them in court and won based on the fact that they had the players under exclusive contract.
Thus, Fleer had to stop with a series 1: 66 cards and 1 checklist.
Just imagine if a 2nd series could've been done with the like of Mantle and Williams!
The big challenge with this set is centering - there's not tons of rough cuts and plenty of sharp cornered cards - but centering is another issue entirely! >>
Wow, a cookie!!! Have you got any pics of unopened packs? Just wondering what an unopened pack with a cookie in it looks like.
Mike
"Molon Labe"
<< <i>That's a gorgeous Spahn!!! And the Face is also a beauty. That has to be a fun sized set to build, small enough that you can go for the best quality. Who do you have left to finish? >>
I'm missing 9 players and a checklist Mark.
The keys I'm missing are Mays and Koufax and the last card #66; #1 and 66 are premium cards.
I did pick up the #1 card a few weeks ago - finding it centered is a real treat!
I sure hope everyone else is having as much enjoyment with their collecting as I have doing this set.
Last, I doubt I will nail the checklist in 8 - it's just too expensive IMO.
<< <i>Wow, a cookie!!! Have you got any pics of unopened packs? Just wondering what an unopened pack with a cookie in it looks like.
Mike >>
I bet Griffins does. Do I win that bet Anthony?
Recently I am not working due to weather so I look over my 60s to send some in for review Bad idea, probably a waste of money so I actually will not send them in. However when I inspect closely I really see all the print spots, off-centering, etc. So now the 8s don't look as nice as they did.
To keep myself motivated I am finishing off the 60 set by teams. Only need 1 Indian (I have it in 7) 2 Reds ( I have one in 7) and 1 Senator to finish those teams.
Where you have increased your goals to a higher quality I may have to dumb-down my goals.
BTW I do have the 63 Fleer Checklist in PSA ........2
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Ralph
Well a year later I missed the set and started buy PSA 4's and 5's. I did care about the grades I just wanted that 54 Topps Hockey PSA graded set back. The last card I needed was the Gordie Howe. So I bought a PSA 4 for $318 dollars. Set is complete...YES!
Two weeks later I was not happy with a GW of 4.?? something. So I bought a PSA 6 Gordie Howe and that card pushed me over 5.00. Now I will not be happy until I have a GW over 6.00.
Oh yea... the funny thing is when I check VCP it shows my card sales from the day I broke the set up. I'm getting 6's for a better price than I sold them at.
Jeremy
When I got into building PSA sets I started out picking up cards in a grade range (i.e. PSA 5 - PSA 7), but came to the conclusion I was far too OCD for that... I needed to pick one grade per and stick with it. As a result, I had to actually downgrade a number of singles.
I also started putting together a couple of cheap game used insert sets that I always liked, only to decide I wanted the entire set to be colored patches (no plain white ones), so they were moved off the "completed" list and back to the "WIP" one.
I'm defective.
Snorto~
<< <i>BTW I do have the 63 Fleer Checklist in PSA ........2 >>
Thanx Ralph - I haven't decided what grade I want - but definitely not an 8 unless I win the lottery!
<< <i>Oh yea... the funny thing is when I check VCP it shows my card sales from the day I broke the set up. I'm getting 6's for a better price than I sold them at. >>
That's good to know Jeremy!
Last, the store that does my frames, want to build me a glass enclosed frame similar to the Penzoni - I'll have to see how much they want - the only thing I kinda know is that he'll do a better job - these guys are incredible!
"Molon Labe"
<< <i>I would love to build a graded set but it just feels like there are too many cards in any set newer than 56. Cost would be bad enough but storing them would compound it. Seems like it would be hard to enjoy the cards if they took up 10 storage boxes. Those who have a graded set - do you ever take them out to look at them? >>
Go with 54 or 55 Topps Baseball. Smaller sets.
The centering is definitely the weak point of Fleer's quality control that year! I ended up buying some nice cards to fill in that set and they make my earlier collection look like -- filler!
I've only graded one of my '63 Fleers. Sent a Clemente in and it came back a 6. I've still got the checklist I marked up and one unmarked one I bought 2-3 years ago. Had to buy the short-print Joe "Adcokc", too...
Bill
My sole card from the set, a recent pickup:
To answer your question, I have a couple of sets that I've let go for a long while. I've toyed with the idea of restarting my '67 Baseball set, picking up some new things and maybe upgrading some of my HOF 7's (McCovey and Tony Perez) to 8's. I may still.
Like I've written here before, I don't mind having a lot of irons in the fire.