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Pretty rediculous.
Or its a bunch of douchebags coming together to discuss how to become bigger douchebags.
This is not much different than rummaging through produce and picking the best apples/oranges etc. As long as it's out in the open, and as long as you're not damaging the other produce in the process, it's all good.
I've seen many people on this forum talk about hiding blasters in the pillow section or something similar. How is that any different? At least the pack searchers leave something for the "kids" to buy. And make no mistake, 9 out of 10 people in the card isle are adults.
Next time I see some choice apples and oranges, I'm going to hide them in the pillow section, to keep the kids from getting any.
Do all the rest of the people have the same fair ability such as using a scale, knowing where to feel a pack, thumb a pack or how to bend a pack.
Also thumping a watermelon correctly only gets you a non rotten one. Thumbing a pack correctly may yield a 100$ card. It isn't the same thing and it makes the playing field totally unfair to those who don't do it or don't know its being done.
Back in the 90s it got so bad that Sams Club and Wal Mart started locking all the cards up in a cage and you had to get someone to open it for you to buy a box.
It is also clear that the more kid aimed issues (like triple play & collector's choice) are not good sellers.
So I guess, join me in the group that believe kids today do not collect sport cards.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. I agree that people shouldn't damage the packs, but I don't really see anything wrong with picking them up and buying the "thicker" packs if they're all laying out in the open. I'm not defending people who "molest" the packs. If you damage it, that's a problem. But that's true of any merchandise in the store, and not unique to cards.
This is not much different than rummaging through produce and picking the best apples/oranges etc. As long as it's out in the open, and as long as you're not damaging the other produce in the process, it's all good.
I've seen many people on this forum talk about hiding blasters in the pillow section or something similar. How is that any different? At least the pack searchers leave something for the "kids" to buy. And make no mistake, 9 out of 10 people in the card isle are adults.
Next time I see some choice apples and oranges, I'm going to hide them in the pillow section, to keep the kids from getting any. >>
Sports cards don't taste that good, so I refrain from cherry picking. Justify it how you will. Just don't come to my town as I don't want my packs searched by you.
<< <i>I have seen alot of kids in my card aisles so don't try and play that game that its only adults buying cards. Your experience isn't mine. >>
I'm not playing a game. The kids I see are generally looking at Pokemon or Magic, not sports cards.
Doesn't matter though, the larger point still stands.
I'm ok with being against pack searching as unethical. I'm just pointing out that many people who think it's unethical have no problem hiding blasters so they can prevent the "children" from getting them. I'm sure there are $100 cards in those blasters as well.
You're not going to get me to defend pack searching, because I don't really care one way or the other. It just seems odd to me that so many have a righteous indignation at pack searching but have no problem hiding merchandise from the same kids they claim to be an advocate of.
<< <i>I guess the topic entitled "45 yr old virgin still living at home with mom, wearing shorts with a hoodie and black socks with flip flops" hasn't been created yet. >>
Did you hack into my Facebook page?
Quit making up straw man attacks and defend your actual point.
<< <i>Who the hell said they hid blasters in pillows? Nobody in this thread.
Quit making up straw man attacks and defend your actual point. >>
Didn't say it was in this thread, and the comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
I've read several threads over the years where people are aggressively against pack searching and I've read posts where people talk about hiding blasters and everyone seems to think it's ok or funny. Just wondering why those two things seem different to people, when they seem the same to me.
That was my actual point.
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<< <i>Who the hell said they hid blasters in pillows? Nobody in this thread.
Quit making up straw man attacks and defend your actual point. >>
Didn't say it was in this thread, and the comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
I've read several threads over the years where people are aggressively against pack searching and I've read posts where people talk about hiding blasters and everyone seems to think it's ok or funny. Just wondering why those two things seem different to people, when they seem the same to me.
That was my actual point. >>
I have never done either, and wouldn't (mostly because I don't care enough)but.....
The difference I see is that with hiding a box, you aren't taking the 'hits' and leaving the base. you are taking a box, and leaving the other boxes...
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In a retail (Target/Wal-Mart,etc.) environment....meh. Half of those packs will end up in the Pop Tart, toilet paper or CD aisle anyway, or crunched by a buggy. And I've gotten Red Ink autos from Heritage three years in a row, from boxes that had been on the shelf for months anyway.
That going on in a "hobby" shop, on the other hand, would be reprehensible.
And really bad for business.
Only an idiot would have a message board signature.
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I have never done either, and wouldn't (mostly because I don't care enough)but.....
The difference I see is that with hiding a box, you aren't taking the 'hits' and leaving the base. you are taking a box, and leaving the other boxes... >>
Both things strike me as doing something for your own benefit at another person's "child's" expense. In a retail store, it seems things are fair game though.
I don't really care if people search packs or hide blasters, and I'm ok with being against both. It just strikes me as inconsistent to be against one and ok with the other.
And by the way, on leaving the other boxes, the posts I read were along the lines "Hey Target just got 4 blasters of A&G today. I only had the money to buy two, so I hid the other two in the pillow section until I can return."
Scenario 1: (Boxes hidden)--Kid doesn't lose any money. Might feel a little upset, but just goes to another store or waits for a future trip to buy his box/packs. Probable End Result=Unlucky Trip for kid, but no money lost. Anticipation builds for next store visit.
Scenario 2: (Pack searcher left overs). Kid spends his money, without knowing that he not only isn't going to get any "hits", but also the base cards he gets are likely to be creased (from the "benders") or have indents (from the "thumb pressers"). Probable End result=Kid spent his money and got only base cards that are likely damaged=RIP OFF. Kid may decide it isn't fun nor worth his money and may quit the hobby.
So I do see a difference in being "unlucky" versus "ripped off".
Just my thoughts.
Hiding packs is a denial of merchandise the other is letting basically be ripped off with a bate and switch.
The first scenerio nobody loses anything other than their time, the second scenerio they person loses money buying searched material.
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I would NEVER buy packs from an open box.
I also don't buy lottery tickets that have already been scratched-off.
<< <i>Sometimes I hide pillows behind blaster boxes. >>
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<< <i>Meet me halfway....across the sky....out where the world belongs to only you and I >>
<< <i>"...it makes the playing field totally unfair to those who don't do it or don't know its being done...."
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Simple as that.
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I would NEVER buy packs from an open box.
I also don't buy lottery tickets that have already been scratched-off. >>
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<< <i>whatever gave you the idea that only serious collectors buy cards? >>
Exactly. I know some buddies of mine will randomly purchase a blaster here and there and they don't even collect cards. I usually never buy retail, but sometimes when I'm buying microwavable food or some pens, I'll stop by the card section and purchase a blaster.
<< <i>Why do retailers/customers even bother with these blaster packs/boxes if one, people are just going to search/tamper/damage them, and two, what serious collector would want ones from retail? Aren't those the really watered down ones and not nearly as good as hobby packs/boxes? >>
Blasters are not being tampered with (for the most part). Maybe 2 or 3 times I have seen a blaster tampered with and it is obvious so just don't buy them. Topic is on searching packs, which typically means the open boxes.
I pick up the Blasters from time to time. It is true the companies usually try to make the retail boxes better pull ratio wise. However it really just depends on the issues. Also, the blasters are like mini boxes so they are cheap. I can not buy a new box of cards from the hobby dealer for $20 and sometimes $10, like you can at Walmart. (Or sometime about $7-8 each in cases on eBay or like.)
Also, the retail blasters usally always have a bonus. An extra pack of cards, or more likely exclusive cards. Like in 2007, the football had three Hot Rookies in the small blasters and six in the large blasters. The set was only 18 or 20 cards and I was getting $7-10 for the Peterson from them....basically, the extra Peterson would pay for the blaster if you hit one of them, ~1 in 4/5 and several other RCs were doing well. The extras covered half the cost at that time.
So it really depends.
Perhaps the better question is why anyone buys newly released cards or why anyone would buy from a card dealer. Take the last Free Card Day thing. I went to three different dealers in town and bought a few packs at each place and mentioned the cards....only the third one gave them to me and only after I mentioned it. This is not a reason to not like the card dealers, it is just a reflection of how card dealers operate today. I am sure we all have more horror card dealer stories then horror Walmart stories.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Pack searchers suck.
There will never be a way to get rid of them.
One can complain as much as they want to about them.
They will never stop them or get rid of them.
/end of thread
<< <i>I guess the topic entitled "45 yr old virgin still living at home with mom, wearing shorts with a hoodie and black socks with flip flops" hasn't been created yet. >>
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"This one time I walked into my local Wal Mart to get some beach towels and I decided to stop at the card aisle on my way to the register. This greasy looking guy is there thumbing through all the packs, so I squeeze in and ask him what he's doing. He says "None of your business, pal." So I grab him by the neck and say "None of my business, huh? Well now it's my business, PAL!" I lift him off the ground by his neck and carry him over to housewares where I proceeded to beat him senseless with a 24.99 wood cutting board. There he is lying on the ground semi-conscious bleeding from the forehead blubbering like a 4 year old that fell off his bike. He says "What is wrong with you? I was just searching baseball card packs." I says to him "Yeah I know what you were doing. You were ripping off little kids," and then I take a cheese grater and start running it back and forth on his face. Then I grab him by the leg and drag him to the sports equipment section. As I'm dragging him I tell him "What if my 8 year old nephew bought some packs? He would get nothing because of you jackass." So anyways, I pick up one of them teatherball ropes and start choking him with it, all the while beating at his skull with a tennis racket. The store manager walks over and asks me what I'm doing and I says "Just walk away. You don't want any of this. It's your fault this happened for allowing trash like this to search packs." So I'm a little tired from all the beating and choking, I decide to head out. On my way I picked up a blaster box of Allen & Ginter and pulled a nice Grady Sizemore jersey card."
In this thread:
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=672076
I had a lot of fun as a kid opening up packs of '88-'92 Topps, Donruss, Fleer, Score and Upper Deck.
You just need to search them correctly. All the junk sets I had.....1991 Ultra is still my favorite. Total junk.
I haven't opened a pack since, and have no interest in ever opening one again.
I only want a couple of certified unopened packs to display. How much do T206 tabacco packs cost?
Dave
<< <i>I only want a couple of certified unopened packs to display. How much do T206 tabacco packs cost? >>
They're all searched. Cigarette packs are easy to search with the flex method.
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<< <i>I only want a couple of certified unopened packs to display. How much do T206 tabacco packs cost? >>
They're all searched. Cigarette packs are easy to search with the flex method. >>
What is the flex method?
How can you tell who the card is inside?
I never heard of this. I only know I can't afford one of these packs.
Dave
That said, the comparison of apples/oranges to this is nonsense. Yeah, people pick through the produce, but there is still produce there and it still serves its intended purpose of eating. In the instance of packs, the packs lets say have a 1 in 12 chance of yielding a relic. Once ALL the relics are cherry picked, the packs have a 1 in INFINITY of having a relic. Therefore the value of the $2.99 pack is no longer that since you dont get the value. That is the basic math of the issue
The morality issue is that in retail packs, 99% of the inserts are garbage. Most of those relics that these scum pull are those patches that book for $6-$10 and sell for $2. A little kid would be more than happy to pull something like that. A pull of a common jersey may be the difference between the kid getting thrilled about it and collecting for years to come or conversely, the kid being bummed by spending his allowance an pulling nothing and thinking its all a big scam and never collecting again.
The bigger problem is that I am sure there are unscroupulous dealers in shows/shops that do this as well. I have about 20 boxes of unopened packs in my store and non are newer than 1987 because of that very reason.
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