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UPDATE: What are 1952 & 1953 Topps Wrappers worth??

I have a question. I recently won some cards that look great from the front, but the backs have some scrapbooking damage. Are these cards doomed to be in PSA 1 holders, or is it possible to get a 2 grade? Thanks for any input....I have included scans....
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  • scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
    Bobby -- I've seen some 1.5s but no higher.

    I have several nice T-205/206s that have back damage -- all are PSA 1.

    Still great cards in my opinion.

    Scott
  • in my experince with vintage, any paper loss that is easily seen is a PSA 1

    for instance, the Lobert and UPP have PSA 3 fronts but paper loss on the obverse brings them down to PSA 1...The Mclean has a great back!

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  • thats unfortunate damage, those cards are gorgeous. how about slabbing them authentic?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I don't mind the 1 grade. I am mainly concerned about the Jackie Robinson. The other card with damage is the Satchell Paige....the other 3 have no damage (The Minoso might pull a 7 or 8).....I will have to sell the Robinson to try and recoup some money for the rest of the lot. If someone wanted a great eye appeal Robinson, maybe it will get bid up to a premium....if they don't mind the back damage....
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    would you like to sell the Paige?
  • DboneesqDboneesq Posts: 18,219 ✭✭
    Bobby,

    If you paid PSA 1 prices for those with paper loss (or even a little more) I think you did great! They are fantastic looking cards!

    Is the Minoso centered enough T/B to get a 7 or 8 with no qualifier?

    Whatever the answer to the above, those are FIVE nice looking cards!

    To answer your original question, I think the 2 with paper loss are 1s ... but may be the nicest 1s that PSA ever grades!
    STAY HEALTHY!

    Doug

    Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
  • scotgrebscotgreb Posts: 809 ✭✭✭
    A couple nice examples -- I actually search these out -- they are often great bargains and fit well with my HOF collection - Scott

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  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Thank you Dbone.....Corvette...I am interested in selling the Paige, but there is absolutely no way I know what to value it.....what do you value cards with 5/6 fronts and 1 backs?? The Minoso is centered....I believe it will pull at least a 7...maybe 7.5......and 8 if I catch the right grader at the right time....unfortunately, PSA isn't running any good specials now....SGC is......$6 wildcard....
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    Bobby,
    I have no idea. From a grading standpoint it gets 1 money, but from a raw/eye appeal standpoint it is obviously better. Just tell me what you need for it and I'll politely accept or politely decline.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...what do you value cards with 5/6 fronts and 1 backs??..."

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    Does a nice front offset the worst defect a back can have?

    If a card is a PSA 1, then it IS a PSA 1 for valuation purposes.

    That is why it might seem to advantage the seller if PSA would
    grade such cards as "AUTHENTIC."

    OTOH, the "AUTHENTIC" designation does not give us enough
    detail about WHY the card does not have a numerical grade. Is
    it trimmed, recolored, otherwise altered? AUTH does not answer
    that question, and can take away the supposed advantage.

    But, a seller can certainly try to convince a buyer that there are
    different "classes" of PSA 1s. I would remain unconvinced, but
    some folks would definitely buy the notion.

    ...............

    30-years ago, sellers of stamps with beautiful fronts and horrible
    backs used to ask suckers, "Are you collecting the fronts or the
    backs of your stamps?" The stamps that were thusly sold are now
    mostly worth about ZERO.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    "But, a seller can certainly try to convince a buyer that there are
    different "classes" of PSA 1s. I would remain unconvinced, but
    some folks would definitely buy the notion."


    Storm I would say you are in the minority here then because there's a big xfactor paid for nicer 1's. I would even say that PSA 1's have the largest price fluctuation (%) for individual cards based on eye appeal than any other grade. It's all a matter of personal taste, I would rather have a centered with great color psa 1 '52 Mantle that has a pinhole than a psa 1 with NO corners, off centered and poor color. Personally I think you should have them graded and list them of Feebay, the fronts are good enough for people to pay well over PSA 1 market.

    EDIT: are there any marks on the Doby?
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Yes.....not quite sure what is up with the Doby, but it looks like a 2-3....there appears to be some cut mark on the lower left corner? previous owner apparently had an accident getting it in/out of a scrapbook?
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "..Storm I would say you are in the minority here then because there's a big xfactor paid for nicer 1's...."

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    I agree completely.

    My answer was not about how MOST folks are willing
    to factor "eye appeal" premiums on low-grade/damaged
    cards. We all see that constantly.

    I only stated my view that such premiums are misplaced,
    UNLESS long term "value" does not matter.

    If I am selling, I can pump the fool out of eye apeal. If I
    am buying damaged cards, I know to be cautious.

    A PSA 1 - with paper loss - will remain a PSA 1, notwithstanding
    its eye appeal relative to other PSA 1s.

    The vogue of eye appeal cancelling fatal defects may last a long
    time. I don't think it will last much longer at all.

    ....................

    That view does not mean, for example, that "ALL 7s are equal."
    Some are, obviously, nicer than others. But, those cards don't
    have death flaws.

    There is nothing worse than paper loss in paper collectibles; no
    matter how good what is left happens to look.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • vladguerrerovladguerrero Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭
    "The vogue of eye appeal cancelling fatal defects may last a long
    time. I don't think it will last much longer at all.

    That view does not mean, for example, that "ALL 7s are equal."
    Some are, obviously, nicer than others. But, those cards don't
    have death flaws."

    Basically you are saying comparing PSA 1's to other PSA 1's is like comparing apples to apples until you find some one willing to pay above the market. What I'm saying is all PSA 1's obviously have death flaws so in that situation I think it's like comparing apples to apples but maybe throw in some kiwi's.
  • a lot of my t206's have paper loss on the back (mainly due to the fact that it does not ruin the picture, and i don't care for the backs) and all of them except 2 are psa 1
    my t-205's


    looking for low grade t205's psa 1-2
  • Nice cards on the front! I'm a believer that a PSA 1 with nice eye appeal is worth about $5 more than normal! There, now we have a starting point! I don't like how we are comparing T-205/T-206's to 52 Topps although I understand to some the 52 set is "modern"....
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    I have another question and would appreciate some help. In addition to these cards, I also have a 1952 & 1953 Topps wax wrapper. I have tried to look at closed Ebay listings, and even google, and don't see any instance where one was sold? Does any one have any idea what wrappers from these series would be worth? Any help would be appreciated.....
  • gregmo32gregmo32 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭
    All PSA 1's are created equal - but some are more equal than others.
    I am buying and trading for RC's of Wilt Chamberlain, George Mikan, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, and Bob Cousy!
    Don't waste your time and fees listing on ebay before getting in touch me by PM or at gregmo32@aol.com !
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    Yea....does anyone have any insight on the wrappers?
  • depending on the condition i would wager upwards of several hundred dollars.
  • I have two of the 1952 Topps wrappers. It's been a few years so I don't have exact records of what I paid but I believe it was between $100 and $150 each for them. I'd be interested in a 1953 wrapper if it is in nice shape.

    There are some nice wrapper sites. Check this one out.

    Baseball Wrappers Website

    There is some pricing information for other issues but very little here for the 1952's and 1953's.

    Brian
    Learn some history of the game. Join a vintage base ball team in your area and get out there.
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  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I have two of the 1952 Topps wrappers. It's been a few years so I don't have exact records of what I paid but I believe it was between $100 and $150 each for them. I'd be interested in a 1953 wrapper if it is in nice shape.

    There are some nice wrapper sites. Check this one out.

    Baseball Wrappers Website

    There is some pricing information for other issues but very little here for the 1952's and 1953's.

    Brian >>



    That is a very cool site.
  • bobbyw8469bobbyw8469 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭
    These were actually in a display case. The 1953 wrapper is in MINT shape, yet I am thinking of keeping it and mounting it on my wall.....the 1952 case I am going to break up....

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  • That is a nice 1953 penny wrapper. I'm looking for a 5 cent wrapper now. Maybe something I can pick up in trade for my extra 1952 wrapper. Assuming no damage I think those wrappers should sell for nice money ($100-$200) each although I'm only estimating on the 1953. I've never pursued that wrapper and could be shockingly under on my value estimate.

    Brian
    Learn some history of the game. Join a vintage base ball team in your area and get out there.
    Simsbury Taverneers
    My PSA Sets
  • jswietonjswieton Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭
    Why doesn't PSA grade wrappers? It seems strange they wouldn't since they grade stubs and packs.
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