SGC 100 1982 Fleer Ozzie Smith ($50 delivered)

reelinintheyears · September 22, 2009 2:32AM

One of only 3 SGC 100's for regular issue Topps, Fleer, and Donruss baseball between '81 and '84 out of about 21,000 graded (which equates to a ratio of roughly 1 out of every 7,000 cards graded!). First to PM me gets it.

jivan · September 22, 2009 2:37AM

hi, can you tell me what the cards book value is about???? thanks

reelinintheyears · September 22, 2009 3:46AM

There are no book values that I'm aware of for SGC 100's of this vintage as they are extremely rare and impossible to estimate the value of given the lack of sales data.

Cards4Charity · September 22, 2009 3:59AM

Hi, do you have a scan of the card?

reelinintheyears · September 22, 2009 4:29AM

I do, but have not figured out how to post a scan on the boards. If you provide your e-mail address to me, I will e-mail front and back scans to you.

reelinintheyears · September 22, 2009 11:24AM

Price reduced to $60 delivered.

reelinintheyears · September 22, 2009 2:24PM

Reduced again down to $55 delivered. Anybody out there interested?

MBMiller25 · September 22, 2009 11:29PM

<< <i>There are no book values that I'm aware of for SGC 100's of this vintage as they are extremely rare and impossible to estimate the value of given the lack of sales data. >>

Give me a break, Number 1, 82 Fleer is not considered VINTAGE!

For the record there are 54 PSA 10, Ozzie Smith 1982 Fleer PSA 10's out of 221 graded. The only thing that makes this card somewhat unique is that most people don't have MODERN cards graded by SGC which is what the SGC pop is so low.

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 2:18AM

I said "of this vintage" which doesn't mean that it's a "vintage" card; I was simply referring to the early '80s era. SGC, which certainly does not grade nearly as many '80s cards as PSA, has still graded about 21,000 regular issue '81-'84 Topps, Donruss, and Fleer baseball cards (check their pop report for yourself if you don't believe me), out of which only 3 have received a grade of 100. I don't know about you, but I consider a ratio of 1 out of 7,000 (0.014%) to be pretty rare and unique! There may be 54 PSA 10's out there, but if they were all cracked out and submitted to SGC, how many do you think would come back as 100's? Perhaps it's not your cup of tea, but it may be somebody else's; this is a big hobby with lots of room for all tastes and preferences.

MBMiller25 · September 23, 2009 3:12AM

<< <i> said "of this vintage" which doesn't mean that it's a "vintage" card; >>

Noone will know what you said, because you changed the O/P since I called you out this AM.

<< <i>There may be 54 PSA 10's out there, but if they were all cracked out and submitted to SGC, how many do you think would come back as 100's? >>

Who cares? The point is, you're trying to sell a card by marketing it as some rare piece, when in fact its hardly rare.

You should have just put up a scan of the card with a price and let the card speak for itself.

viking7 · September 23, 2009 3:28AM

Maybe a buy it now listing for 30 days on ebay would be worth a try. Probably cost around .35 to find out if anyone is in the market. Good luck. Steve

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 4:07AM

I changed the O/P? I have no idea what you're talking about, but other than replying to your post I didn't do a thing. I don't collect SGC cards, but for those who do I assume that when a card receives a grade of 100 they're pretty pleased. I'll say it one more time in case you're not understanding, SGC has only handed out 3 100's for '81-'84 regular issue Topps, Fleer, and Donruss baseball cards out of about 21,000 cards graded. How in the world can you say that this is not a rare piece? We apparently have very different understandings of the meaning of the word rare. I'll "market" the cards I sell any way I wish; if I make an error or flat out lie in your opinion, certainly feel free to point that out, but let me list the items I sell the way I choose to and I'll do the same for you. If you don't have any interest in an item, then why bother even reading the thread? You're only wasting my time as well as your own. Happy collecting!

Mickey71 · September 23, 2009 5:00AM

The SGC "100" grade is not assigned very often. The couple times I have seen the grade it was not correct- overgraded. I viewed a SGC 100 Payton rookie. It was beautiful but not perfect. Walter's name was blurry. Actually that's what made him a 10. He must have been a blur to many defenders- very hard to stop. A 1982 Ozzie is not rare by any means. In the grade of 100 it is very low pop. SGC grades very little modern cards. The OP has done nothing wrong. There obviously are very few collectors of SGC Smiths.

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 5:30AM

Mickey71, your thoughtful input is very much appreciated. One reason why I do not personally collect SGC, GAI or BGS cards is that I am a proponent of PSA's grading scale with Gem Mint being at the top. Could someone please do me a favor and explain the meaning of "O/P" to me since it appears to be commonly understood amongst some board members; I do not understand MBMiller25's charge that I somehow "changed the O/P."?????

thenavarro · September 23, 2009 9:23AM

OP is original post. You edited the original post at the following date and time.

Edited: Tuesday September 22, 2009 at 11:24 PM by reelinintheyears

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 9:47AM

Mike, thanks for the clarification. Now that I understand what MBMiller25 is referring to in his 2nd post, I can respond. I edited the original post only because I reduced the price; my comment in my 2nd post re "SGC 100's of this vintage" has not been edited and in my opinion is perfectly accurate as stated. I'm beginning to learn that some board members can get carried away rather easily!

lsutigers1973 · September 23, 2009 11:10AM

<< <i>There are no book values that I'm aware of for SGC 100's of this vintage as they are extremely rare and impossible to estimate the value of given the lack of sales data. >>

Same card sold 2 years ago on eBay for the opening bid of $49.99. Very little chance anyone would pay that now when a PSA 10 can be had for less than $10.

Beck6 · September 23, 2009 11:31AM

Found this one listed on ebay a few times. Seems like it is your card.

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 1:02PM

Yes Beck6, that's mine. I listed it on ebay recently for two back to back 3-day auctions, but it didn't sell. When I purchased this card a couple of years ago, I had never seen an SGC card in person and was intrigued by the notion of a grade higher than gem mint. Since that time, I've come to realize that there is no such thing as a truly "pristine" or "perfect" card and am a firm believer in PSA's grading scale with gem mint being the top grade. If PSA ever modifies their scale to include a 10+ of some sort, I will likely stop buying PSA cards and having cards graded by them. As I've stated already in this thread, this particular card is not my cup of tea and may not be yours, but it may be quite desirable to someone out there, particularly if they happen to be a fan of both SGC and Ozzie Smith; apparently, either that person doesn't exist or I just haven't found them yet.

gregmo32 · September 23, 2009 1:17PM

The SGC 100 grade is an extremely rare one. There are very very few assigned to any cards, let alone ones this "old."

I would think for an Ozzie Smith collector this would be a desirable card that won't break the bank.

BugOnTheRug · September 23, 2009 3:10PM

Here's what I find interesting. I would think pristine would have hands-down iron-clad 50-50 centering. The colors look great, but that left border is slightly wider than the right. From an eye appeal standpoint, that minor difference is notable; therefore it confuses me in what constitutes a truly pristine card.

Not knocking it, just calling as I see it.

reelinintheyears · September 23, 2009 11:53PM

If nothing else, it sure is a great conversation piece. I wonder how many collectors out there intentionally seek out SGC 100's, BGS 10's, and GAI 10's (at least when they were still reputable). It really begs the question about the need for a "pristine" or "perfect" grade. As I've stated already, I'm an advocate for the PSA scale with gem mint as the highest possible grade.

BugOnTheRug · September 24, 2009 1:13AM

The problem is it's so subjective even at that level. There have been times past where it was brutal to get a 9, let alone a 10. In other times psa 10's seemed to have been handed out like candy. Could it be better - more exact? Yes, but probably more expensive too. In the end, I find little fault because I can look at a stack of subs and then the next day form a different opinion upon review. Yes, we're paying for the expertise, but graders are only human. (Except that grader of death

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BugOnTheRug · September 24, 2009 4:35PM

I feel like kicking a dead horse some more. This whole SGC 100 thingy nudged me to dig up this 84D ozzie from my collection. It's an SGC 98, but from an eye appeal standpoint its a total killer. If this doesn't cry out 100 I don't know what does.

reelinintheyears · September 24, 2009 11:47PM

Even more evidence that there is no rational reason to have a grading scale that includes a grade above gem mint! And even more reason to support PSA over the competition! My only fear is that one day PSA will add a PSA 10+ grade when one of their marketing geniuses decide that that is the only way to boost submissions.

SGC 100 1982 Fleer Ozzie Smith ($50 delivered)

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