Does anyone see a wrinkle or crease on this PSA 4 '52 Mantle?

thunderdan · August 20, 2009 12:56PM

I may need to ask for bigger pics, but this card looks extremely nice for a 4. Wondering if there's a crease or a wrinkle given the super nice centering and surface. Thoughts?

1952 Mantle PSA 4

storm888 · August 20, 2009 1:02PM

It's pretty, but it's a mess.

The seller must KNOW there is ZERO chance of a grade-bump.
I don't like his claims to the contrary.

Blow the thing up and you will see the hurt spots.

thunderdan · August 20, 2009 1:04PM

I always hate it when sellers talk about a bump like it's a slam dunk. As I read almost every day on the boards, that is not the case.

This raises a related question: can a 4.5 have a slight wrinkle or crease (allowed under the criteria for 4, but not for 5)

storm888 · August 20, 2009 1:10PM

.5 is a reward when the card is "special."

The holder is recent.

There is no way that card deserves a .5.

BUT, the centering is special.

...........

PSA says,

Half-Point Grades:

Cards that exhibit high-end qualities within each particular grade, between PSA Good 2 and PSA Mint 9, may achieve a half-point increase. While PSA graders will evaluate all of the attributes possessed by a card in order to determine if the card may be eligible, there will be a clear focus on centering.

Generally speaking, a card must exhibit centering that is 5-10% better, at minimum, than the lowest % allowed within a particular grade. It is important to note that there may be cases where the overall strength of the card, such as the quality of the corners and print, will give the card the edge it needs despite the fact that it may exhibit only marginal centering for the grade. This is especially true for cards that find themselves within the bottom half of the PSA 1-10 scale.

Finally, keep in mind that qualifiers will not apply to grades that achieve the half-point increase since, by definition; these cards have to exhibit high-end qualities within the grade in order to warrant consideration. For example, there will not be cards graded PSA NM-MT-Plus 8.5 OC or PSA EX-MT-Plus 6.5 PD since the half-point is reserved for high-end cards within each grade.

Pigs · August 20, 2009 1:12PM

There's something on that card the seller is not talking about. Ask for a bigger, better scan and if they don't pull the cord and move on.

PoppaJ · August 20, 2009 1:15PM

I would bet good money that the card has a crease somewhere. I've seen many PSA 5s with hairline creases visible only with a 10x loupe.

PoppaJ

thunderdan · August 20, 2009 1:22PM

I think you guys are probably right about a crease somewhere. For me, I would never buy a card like thinking that it will bump. The description on this thing has far too much puffery for my liking. I think I'd have to see this thing in person.

Maybe next time I'm visiting the in-laws in SoCal.

OAKESY25 · August 20, 2009 1:29PM

i THINK THE TOP LEFT CORNER has a bend.. and potential wrinkle on the back scan on the top
of the card about 1/2 inch down in the center you can see some distortion

storm888 · August 20, 2009 1:33PM

Blow it up between 200% and 400% and you can see
the hurts clearly.

thunderdan · August 20, 2009 1:59PM

<< <i>Blow it up between 200% and 400% and you can see
the hurts clearly. >>

Yep-i see what you mean. Thanks.

italianstallionyankees · August 21, 2009 6:01AM

That card is a true psa 4 . Notice the bend as previously mentioned. Great centering though.

clydecoolidge · August 21, 2009 6:19AM

Borders look pretty off-white/stained too.

packCollector · August 21, 2009 6:25AM

quite frankly when a seller quotes NM/MT price in his titles for vg-ex to ex cards, I don't even bother looking at their stuff.

as for this card , there is something there , the corners look pretty soft when you look at the scans of the front and back together and the 1 corner looks completely bent

TonyC · August 21, 2009 7:08AM

Oaksey, I thought the same thing. If you look at the scan of the back of the card, the top left corner, which is the top right corner when looking at the front, looks like it got dogeared a little or something.

WinPitcher · August 21, 2009 7:10AM

Dan

Why not email the seller and ask him?

Steve

italianstallionyankees · August 21, 2009 7:25AM

Lol

I noticed He said card is in Ex-mt condition in his description? WHAT?

thunderdan · August 21, 2009 8:53AM

<< <i>Dan

Why not email the seller and ask him?

Steve >>

I did that already. Haven't heard back yet, though. I'll post his response.

fkw · August 21, 2009 9:20AM

My Guess is a light crease in border below "M" in "Mickey". Otherwise corner wear brings it down to VG/EX.

Wow $16K for that??? UH OK

jimq112 · August 21, 2009 9:31AM

At least there's no hype.

Check out the 52T Mays PSA 8 that he also has listed. "Virtually perfect centering". Yikes.

thunderdan · August 21, 2009 10:01AM

His response:

Yes, 3/8"faint surface wrinkle or scratch?at base of card. Not visible to naked eye-only under strong magnification

Orioles · August 21, 2009 11:09AM

Sure has some nice cards, but not really a fan of sellers who say in every auction that their card deserved the next grade up. Really? Every card!

Does anyone see a wrinkle or crease on this PSA 4 '52 Mantle?

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