Is this the reason the old Gai didn't last? Can we say overgraded?

italianstallionyankees · August 18, 2009 1:28PM

link to a Barry Sanders 1989 score rookie Gai gem mint 9.5

After looking at up close pictures of this card it can probably maybe hit a 8.5 I actually have many bgs 9's and psa 9's 20 of each. Overproduced yes! But still a great card! 1989 Score Barry Sanders Gai 9.5

bigreddog · August 18, 2009 1:52PM

Looks pretty decent to me. Ive seen worse in PSA slabs. BGS(I group them with, Garage and Basement TPGers like PRO etc..

italianstallionyankees · August 18, 2009 1:58PM

Notice white spec on upper right corner. You think Beckett is in the same category as Pro? Really?

Mefer · August 18, 2009 2:45PM

Big Red Dog--

Awesome KISS picture!

Matt (back to the topic at hand)

strangecreature · August 18, 2009 3:07PM

<< Notice white spec on upper right corner. You think Beckett is in the same category as Pro? Really? >>

Back in the day both PRO and PSA were king of the hill. I will say that PRO , like Beckett has a great slab thats impossible to tamper.

WinPitcher · August 18, 2009 3:10PM

Pro was never king of the hill.

Steve

dizzle · August 18, 2009 3:16PM

Geez some of the stuff I read on here....

italianstallionyankees · August 18, 2009 3:25PM

Really, Pro is King of the Hill? Man I wish I still had that saved picture of a 1962 Topps Mantle graded 8.5 Nm-mt Pro with a crease down the middle ! ;0 LOL

ElToroLoco · August 18, 2009 3:31PM

Haha, PSA is the Pioneer and King. Beckett is second on the list only because I like their modern stuff. SGC is solid too. Pro I have no confidence in.

strangecreature · August 18, 2009 3:32PM

<< Pro was never king of the hill.

Steve >>

At one time before the internet boom they fetched top dollar for their high item cards. Thats what i meant.

grote15 · August 18, 2009 3:33PM

I'd hope that pple are being facetious even mentioning PRO in the same breath as PSA or Beckett..

Edit: Unless you're a collector of worthless and obviously trimmed and overgraded cards that is..

bbcemporium · August 18, 2009 3:33PM

I think the card looks pretty nice, but then again, I still think the art of differentiating between 8.5 to 10s is quite nebulous and probably depends more on the mood of the grader than the condition of the card.

grote15 · August 18, 2009 3:34PM

I still think the art of differentiating between 8.5 to 10s is quite nebulous

Now that's a word that Boopotts would hang his hat on...

digicat · August 18, 2009 3:51PM

It'd be tough for any grading company to try to enter a market dominated by PSA , SGC, and Beckett.

No one wants to buy cards graded by a newbie grading company, and no one would want to submit their valuable cards to a newbie grading company.

dizzle · August 18, 2009 4:13PM

<< 

<< Pro was never king of the hill.

Steve >>

At one time before the internet boom they fetched top dollar for their high item cards. Thats what i meant. >>

italianstallionyankees · August 18, 2009 4:22PM

I am in no way bashing Global in fact I like the new holders! I do not know for sure if the grading standards have changed? But I sure do like the New product Gems of the Game I recently pulled a pristine 10 Sammy Sosa Rookie Topps #692 Overproduced yea a little

but still I feel It was very accurately graded! Anyone pick up any Gems of the Game??

WinPitcher · August 18, 2009 8:19PM

+! Dizzle.

Steve

italianstallionyankees · August 18, 2009 10:21PM

Dizzle?

What?

onebamafan · August 18, 2009 11:06PM

PRO.......PRO? Tamper resistant card holder, akin to BGS? Top Dollar? I am

................PRO?

Morgoth · August 18, 2009 11:47PM

The reasons GAI bit the big one were

1. They graded alot of cards with problems that PSA & SGC had rejected, such as alot of 55 Bowmans with factory wrinkles as 8s and 9s.

2. Their pack grading which was tops in the hobby for awhile started having issues with reseals.

3. Later GAI had issues with crossing them over to PSA and that led to confidence issues among buyers.

IchiroDeported · August 19, 2009 12:28AM

people....please. PRO was the king of the Hill back when Dave Parker was elected to the HOF....OH, wait... forget about it.

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 1:50AM

Here is What I would recommend Psa first and foremost on any commons for set registry and stars and anything . Beckett grading services for Modern Basketball and Modern Shiny techno auto baseball Kind of stuff nothing better than the Pristine auto matched with the pristine card same goes with the auto cards for all sports . I just like how Beckett offers that pristine grade. Beckett Vintage grading I would recommend any vintage autos with Jsa as well as Psa. I think Market is more strong with Psa and Sgc not saying that Beckett is Soft but it goes for the psa registry. Sgc I love the holders on the Pre-war stuff , Strictest graders in my opinion sent many Play balls in to them , nothing gets past them ! I think that these three will always dominate the card world, sadly to say No other company can survive in this Market! Global , well the New Global I sure Hope that they do succeed. I will send some test cards into them to see if they pass through . Gma needs to be the graders specializing in the Bad Wax years

any rookie under $4 bucks should be sent into them they actually are pretty consistent with grading. That being said they are a low class grading service none the less, so anything vintage is a No-no. These bad wax years shouldn't even be sent into the big guys send them to the little big fish lol

haha

lsutigers1973 · August 19, 2009 2:07AM

<< These bad wax years shouldn't even be sent into the big guys >>

That statement along with your statement regarding PRO dominating the market before the internet boom, shows your complete lack of knowledge regarding grading.

"Bad wax years" in PSA 10 holders, especially rookies, will always sell as long as the PSA registry is in existence.

PRO never dominated anything other than slabbing altered cards. PSA and SGC came in the market before PRO and that was long after the internet was in full force.

<< Sgc I love the holders on the Pre-war stuff , Strictest graders in my opinion sent many Play balls in to them , nothing gets past them ! >>

I have busted quite a few SGC holders. Have had 2 that SGC missed a wrinkle that was clearly visible once the card was removed from the slab. Had a 1975 Topps common crack from an SGC 98 slab and subbed to PSA. Came back a PSA 7.

Don't put blind faith in any grading company just based on what you have read regarding their reputation.

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:02AM

I never said anything about Pro dominating the market !!! Find out where I said that? I bashed the company Goof! That is worthless crapola !

WinPitcher · August 19, 2009 9:08AM

No one said you did.

Some strange creature did though.

Steve

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:11AM

Lack of knowledge are you Kidding ? Please you Do not Know me ? Pro grading services is for the Dilusional Flea-market Jokester! Along with the rest of the Bottom Feeders Fgs, Pca , SnaggleTooth and all the rest out in the World . I very well understand How to grade , I didn't say I think every card passing through each service is 100% accurate all the time. I just State from personal Experience. Again where in the heck did I say Pro dominated the Market ????? It was the guy under my comment ?

Gma was just a slight joke a Gma 10 barry bonds 86 Topps traded Rookie sells for $4-$5 dollars all day It's not worth the $2 dollars to even send card to them. But for $0.99 they encapsulate which isn't bad at all really!

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:15AM

No one said you did.

Some strange creature did though.

Steve

A creature? lol

Steve my man your a great guy! I can't stand when I see people bashing you. You are the dedicated Psa Forum Junkie member ! Props to Steve!

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:21AM

lsutigers1973 Listen do not in any way Base my knowledge on a silly Number of posts I have and how Long I have been a member of these boards. That doesn't mean a darn thing. Believe it or not some collectors and professionals really Have no idea of these forums. I have been reading posts on here for maybe one year before deciding to be a member. Started out with Pcgs forums and I found this one.

WinPitcher · August 19, 2009 9:21AM

Stallion that is the guys name who said it.

Strange creature.....

Steve

WinPitcher · August 19, 2009 9:24AM

Stallion you are over reacting, the replies about PRO were being directed not at you but strange creature.

Steve

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:28AM

I know! Got it

Not over reacting.

WinPitcher · August 19, 2009 9:31AM

Sometimes around here ya need a scorecard.

Steve

italianstallionyankees · August 19, 2009 9:32AM

lol

DamageInc · August 19, 2009 10:23AM

Can't we all agree that all grading companies (some more than others) eff up from time to time?
I would almost guarantee that there are members on this board that can grade cards better than any of the grading companies out there.

Is this the reason the old Gai didn't last? Can we say overgraded?

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