Jsa/Bgs Signed rc's for sale. Updated with Jeter SP scan

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 6:57AM

Hey guys I have all these cards for sale. Lmk if you are interested in any of them?
The prices are next to the card.

Best regards!

6187903 2009 Bowling Green Hot Rods Multi-Ad Tim Beckham Authentic $95
6187902 2007 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Tommy Hanson Authentic $65
6187901 2006 New York-Penn League Top Prospects Choice Evan Longoria Authentic $65
6187900 2003 Scranton Wilkes-Barre Red Barons Choice Chase Utley Authentic $75
6187899 1985 Fleer Roger Clemens Authentic $75
6187898 2009 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Jesus Montero Authentic $55
6187897 2008 SAL Top Prospects Multi-Ad Jesus Montero Authentic $55
6187896 1994 Upper Deck Minors Derek Jeter Authentic $99
6187895 1993 Bowman Derek Jeter Authentic $125
6187894 2005-06 USA Baseball National Team Vision of the Future Matt Wieters Authentic $85
6187893 1993 Classic Four Sport * Alex Rodriguez Authentic $125
6187892 2006 Corvallis Knights Tommy Hanson Authentic $95
6187890 2001 Memphis Redbirds Post Albert Pujols Authentic $500
6187889 2001 Clinton Lumber Kings Grandstand Grady Sizemore Authentic $95
6187888 2009 Portland Sea Dogs Grandstand Junichi Tazawa Authentic $99
6187887 2009 Portland Sea Dogs Grandstand Lars Anderson Authentic $55
6187886 2008 Trenton Thunder Multi-Ad Austin Jackson Authentic $55
6187885 2006 Charleston Riverdogs Grandstand Austin Jackson Authentic $65

I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275.

Please email me at baldbull55#aol.com. I also accpet paypal to this email.

alifaxwa2 · August 7, 2009 7:01AM

Buy/Sell/Trade

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 7:11AM

I posted on that board but it seems everyone who collects signed rc's is on the board. I just need to sell some of these quick I need really some cash. I aploogize to anyone if I offended you. I will have these back from Bgs tomorrow (Sat).

Heres a pic of the pujos before it was sent in to get slabbed.

Heres some Jeters $125 delivered:

Utley $65

David Wright $125 delivered:

alifaxwa2 · August 7, 2009 7:14AM

Not offended personally, but as a whole this board hates BST threads anywhere but there.

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 7:54AM

Those Jeters are fake!!

lsutigers1973 · August 7, 2009 8:19AM

Wish we still had a Buy, Sell & Trade forum.

ping4u43 · August 7, 2009 8:24AM

<< Those Jeters are fake!!

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JK

Allen · August 7, 2009 8:27AM

All 4 Jeters for $125. Nice.

lsutigers1973 · August 7, 2009 8:34AM

<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake.

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 8:50AM

<< 

<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake. >>

No Kidding!!!

When someone protests on 4 different message boards too much....it definitly makes onself to be suspicious!!

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 9:48AM

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<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake. >>

Or they were all fake. Also the ones in ? didnt pass authentication & a rep from a company also sent me a scan of a real one so I can post to educate people on them. I guess your right?

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 11:02AM

<< 

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<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake. >>

Or they were all fake. Also the ones in ? didnt pass authentication & a rep from a company also sent me a scan of a real one so I can post to educate people on them. I guess your right? >>

Maybe I missed it but I guess I didnt see this scan the representative sent you to educate us. Please provide a link to your post that shows the scan you were provided and your comments that go with it.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 11:25AM

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<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake. >>

Or they were all fake. Also the ones in ? didnt pass authentication & a rep from a company also sent me a scan of a real one so I can post to educate people on them. I guess your right? >>

Maybe I missed it but I guess I didnt see this scan the representative sent you to educate us. Please provide a link to your post that shows the scan you were provided and your comments that go with it. >>

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 11:33AM

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<< I also have for sale a Jsa/Bgs 1993 Upper Deck SP Jeter $275. >>

Guess this explains why you said every 93 SP Jeter atuo buyback was a fake. >>

Or they were all fake. Also the ones in ? didnt pass authentication & a rep from a company also sent me a scan of a real one so I can post to educate people on them. I guess your right? >>

Maybe I missed it but I guess I didnt see this scan the representative sent you to educate us. Please provide a link to your post that shows the scan you were provided and your comments that go with it. >>

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And your comments as to why this is fake?????

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 11:40AM

This one is real. This is the scan that the rep sent me to show people the diff between a real one & a fake.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 11:41AM

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=732213&highlight_key=y

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 11:55AM

I see the link but I dont see your breakdown on why the autos are fake

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 12:04PM

Mccard, you need a new hobby.

Beating up on MinorLeagueSource is getting old.

Those jeters buy backs are so fake, they don't resemble a real jeter. If you can't see that they don't resemble each other, there is nothing you can be told to convince you otherwise. It's attitudes like that that allow these counterfeiters to prosper.

If you don't want to buy minorleaguesources cards just mosey on. This is really getting old.

edit:: MinorLeagueSource, do you have a scan of the Longoria card? I'm not a Longoria collector, but I am interested in HV Renegades stuff.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 12:51PM

I will have a scan of the longoria tomorrow I will post it for you.

lsutigers1973 · August 7, 2009 12:54PM

And one of his 2 supporters/alts jumps in to defend him.

ROCKDJRW · August 7, 2009 1:01PM

I find it suspicious only because who is out seeking HV Renegades stuff?!

Allen · August 7, 2009 1:02PM

The cards he outed were fake. Not hard for an experienced collector to tell. I do not think him owning a 93 SP Jeter Auto gives him an ulterior motive. I understand his tales of being a former auto expert, adviser, hobby underground detective and earth shaking news breaker may rub some the wrong way, but he hasn't done anything wrong. Posting this in this forum and the B/S/T forum was just asking for trouble from someone though.

lsutigers1973 · August 7, 2009 1:07PM

<< I understand his tales of being a former auto expert, adviser, hobby underground detective and earth shaking news breaker may rub some the wrong way, but he hasn't done anything wrong. >>

Pretty sure the part that started him off on the wrong foot was him stating he was an expert with tons of credentials and certain people knew who he was. Yet, he never would even make an effort to prove his credentials and mention anyone that actually knew of his credentials.

Whether the other autos he continually posted about were fake or not is irrelevant to me now. It just seems obvious what his motive was after he comes here spamming his "certified" autos.

storm888 · August 7, 2009 1:09PM

"...The cards he outed were fake. .."

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I believe that to be the case.

I have ZERO clue who the OP is.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 2:07PM

<< 

<< I understand his tales of being a former auto expert, adviser, hobby underground detective and earth shaking news breaker may rub some the wrong way, but he hasn't done anything wrong. >>

Pretty sure the part that started him off on the wrong foot was him stating he was an expert with tons of credentials and certain people knew who he was. Yet, he never would even make an effort to prove his credentials and mention anyone that actually knew of his credentials.

Whether the other autos he continually posted about were fake or not is irrelevant to me now. It just seems obvious what his motive was after he comes here spamming his "certified" autos. >>

I was authenticator for JSA. So I guess there enough credentials??? I stated that at least 10 times. I know you must of read that I WAS because you continually post on my threads. Also people do know who I am on here, I've been upfront & honest. i also helped a bunch of people on here with numerous things.

I dont know who you are & it doesnt matter to me either. If I can point out fakes & save one person from buying form that seller then I did a good thing. I know theres always going to be people like you so It doesnt bother me.

One reason I posted my cards on here is becuase I know a lot of people here collect those certain cards. The 2nd is I need cash & thats the truth.

Best regards!

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 3:17PM

I find it suspicious only because who is out seeking HV Renegades stuff?!

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I grew up in the area. My little league team won a contest to join the team on the field prior to the game. It was 1999 and I met people like Jorge Cantu and Josh Hamilton. They were great people and it made for a great experience. Who doesn't like rooting for players you had the joy to meet before they were big?

I have baseballs signed by every team since 97 til just before Longoria got there.

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 3:25PM

LSUtigers,
"And one of his 2 supporters/alts jumps in to defend him. "

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I'm quite offended. I'm merely an autograph collector who likes searching ebay for fake autos (specifically Yankee autos as I mostly collect yankees memorabilia). If you've seen me around here, you'd notice that I have posted in such threads as the two Mantle auto threads and the Griffey JR thread (all autos, this past month). I, like all collectors, have gotten burned in the past, and would like to see others not fall for bad autos. Although I'm certainly no expert (nor do I claim to be one), it was obvious those buybacks were fake (and poorly faked at that).

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 4:47PM

<< Mccard, you need a new hobby.

Beating up on MinorLeagueSource is getting old.

Those jeters buy backs are so fake, they don't resemble a real jeter. If you can't see that they don't resemble each other, there is nothing you can be told to convince you otherwise. It's attitudes like that that allow these counterfeiters to prosper.

If you don't want to buy minorleaguesources cards just mosey on. This is really getting old.

edit:: MinorLeagueSource, do you have a scan of the Longoria card? I'm not a Longoria collector, but I am interested in HV Renegades stuff. >>

Getting old?? You have been here for a month and a half!! Sorry if my post offended you but I happen to have an opinion of the OP that he has done nothing to make me feel any differently. I have asked one consistent question of him and he never comes through with his remarks on why he feels these autos are fake. SO I am sorry if this is getting old...Maybe someone else should just mosey on!! I have a right to hold his feet to the fire if he is going to throw around these credentials of his.

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 4:55PM

Mccard,

It doesn't take any credentials to tell that those buy backs were fake.

They don't even close to being confused with an actual Jeter autograph.

As I told you in the LAST thread about this, it would be impossible to say what is wrong with it, because EVERYTHING was wrong with it. From the shape of the Ds, to the copious amounts of pen lift, so on and so forth.

You're saying your upset because he didn't show you any reasons as to why they are fake-- It is because they are so obviously fake. Nothing is correct about it. Nothing.

edit: spelling.

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 4:58PM

I am not upset.. I just want his opinion and not yours

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 5:02PM

I think you are the only one on these boards to think those Jeter buybacks were legit.

You either a) are REALLY bad at identifying autos, or b) just have an axe to grind with minorleaguesource.

edit:: I understand there was some things in the past with him throwing around his "credentials" as a top authenticator, but really, there is no need for anything more than two good eyes to see that those buybacks weren't legit.

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 5:11PM

Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

There are many people who come on these boards and are very knowledgeable about many different aspects of our hobby AND can backup boastings with concrete knowledge. If anyone comes on here and states they are an expert on something they better they should be prepared to back that up with concrete knowledge.

And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now????

okposo21 · August 7, 2009 5:14PM

And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now????

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And that same skeptical person would have a great case, if the buybacks weren't obvious forgeries.

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 5:16PM

<< And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now????

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And that same skeptical person would have a great case, if the buybacks weren't obvious forgeries. >>

Again your opinion...not his

Are we done yet???

fandango · August 7, 2009 9:56PM

This is the most anti Pujols board around.....if you have a pujols avatar, the Jealousy swells and the negative posters come out...quite predictable and sad...

if a new board member comes on and is a Pujols fan, he is thought of as an ALT...like there are not a lot of Pujols fans in the world...

Poor MLS, as soon as he posts a thread i just know the haters will come ( i know how he feels)....

its ok to collect Jim Gantner and Billy Butler and make posts about them, but bring up Pujols and oohohohohhohohohoh

it really must stem from jealousy...owning cards with increasing value (pujols), or cards with decreasing value (88 fleer and Jim Ganters)...

Even when FrankHardy posts, he has to preface his statement so he doesnt get layed into...

MBMiller25 · August 7, 2009 10:24PM

Can't we just all be friends? There is no reason this post should be going down this road.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 10:28PM

<< Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

There are many people who come on these boards and are very knowledgeable about many different aspects of our hobby AND can backup boastings with concrete knowledge. If anyone comes on here and states they are an expert on something they better they should be prepared to back that up with concrete knowledge.

And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now???? >>

All Im saying is your clueless. I dont think theres any other words to describe you??? I'm at a loss of words reading how far your out there? I dont care if you think I know what I'm talking about or you doubt my credentials.

Get over already!

Go buy what ever you collect & be happy. You will live a longer & happier life.

Best regards!

mccardguy1 · August 7, 2009 11:49PM

<< 

<< Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

There are many people who come on these boards and are very knowledgeable about many different aspects of our hobby AND can backup boastings with concrete knowledge. If anyone comes on here and states they are an expert on something they better they should be prepared to back that up with concrete knowledge.

And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now???? >>

All Im saying is your clueless. I dont think theres any other words to describe you??? I'm at a loss of words reading how far your out there? I dont care if you think I know what I'm talking about or you doubt my credentials.

Get over already!

Go buy what ever you collect & be happy. You will live a longer & happier life.

Best regards! >>

I think I have proven my point and to some extent I may be beating a dead horse here. I can assure you I am not clueless but just wanted to hold your feet to the fire but you have yet to simply provide an explaination that I requested.

So in the interest of moving on and not boring this board anymore with my doubting you, I will stop beating this dead horse since my point is made.

Andrew

otwcards · August 7, 2009 11:56PM

I'm not going to challenge the legitimacy of the "fake" buybacks, but I do find it intriguing that someone will use the credibility of another to quantify their credentials.

While I hold Jimmy Spence in very high regard, I think some of the sloppy authentication that has come forth from JSA has been the result of the underlings entrusted by Jimmy to authenticate the increased volume that Spence's service has witnessed over the past few years. MinorLeagueSource appears to have been accurate on his claims with regard to the buybacks, but my concern has been the initial vagueness and cryptic disclosure of his credentials. This raises a few questions. How long was MLS with JSA? What were his responsibilities at JSA? Why did he leave JSA? MLS mentions that he is still consulted on certain player signatures, but there is no factual basis for this other than taking MLS at his word.

I don't want to get into a pissing match, but I wish that MLS would take these questions into consideration BEFORE he attacks or insults others for asking about his credentials. Add to this, the impression that "others" immediately follow-up in support of MLS and perhaps he can see the hesitancy that some may have in taking his word as the end-all be-all on the subject.

Interestingly, this subject has been broached before and time and time again, when "authenticators" are asked to be specific on what they like or don't like about a signature or why they come to their conclusion, the common refrain has been, "I just know and I'm an expert on the subject." I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of so many experts telling me that they know without offering much of anything other than, "If you knew who I was, you'd know." Blind faith just doesn't cut it for me...

Again, I'm not disputing the fact that most of these buybacks are bogus, but I m raising a flag with regard to the "experts" that fail to provide any reasonable evidence other than their opinion although they've been asked numerous times in a myriad of ways.

MinorLeagueSource · August 7, 2009 11:58PM

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<< Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

There are many people who come on these boards and are very knowledgeable about many different aspects of our hobby AND can backup boastings with concrete knowledge. If anyone comes on here and states they are an expert on something they better they should be prepared to back that up with concrete knowledge.

And I would hope even you can see the potential for a conflict of interest when the OP has spent 2 weeks on 4 separate boards telling us how fake these buy backs were and now...low and behold....the OP has a non buy back PSA/DNA version of the same card for sale. A skeptical person can make a case that he was discrediting the other autos so his card will sell strong. This is my opinion and sorry if you dont agree. Have I made myself clear enough now???? >>

All Im saying is your clueless. I dont think theres any other words to describe you??? I'm at a loss of words reading how far your out there? I dont care if you think I know what I'm talking about or you doubt my credentials.

Get over already!

Go buy what ever you collect & be happy. You will live a longer & happier life.

Best regards! >>

I think I have proven my point and to some extent I may be beating a dead horse here. I can assure you I am not clueless but just wanted to hold your feet to the fire but you have yet to simply provide an explaination that I requested.

So in the interest of moving on and not boring this board anymore with my doubting you, I will stop beating this dead horse since my point is made.

Andrew >>

Again I'm speechless. What point did you make??? I explained now 8+ times why there fake. I even posted a scan of a real buy back Jeter.

OK, MY FEET ARE NOW BURNT!

Whatever!

mccardguy1 · August 8, 2009 12:02AM

<< I'm not going to challenge the legitimacy of the "fake" buybacks, but I do find it intriguing that someone will use the credibility of another to quantify their credentials.

While I hold Jimmy Spence in very high regard, I think some of the sloppy authentication that has come forth from JSA has been the result of the underlings entrusted by Jimmy to authenticate the increased volume that Spence's service has witnessed over the past few years. MinorLeagueSource appears to have been accurate on his claims with regard to the buybacks, but my concern has been the initial vagueness and cryptic disclosure of his credentials. This raises a few questions. How long was MLS with JSA? What were his responsibilities at JSA? Why did he leave JSA? MLS mentions that he is still consulted on certain player signatures, but there is no factual basis for this other than taking MLS at his word.

I don't want to get into a pissing match, but I wish that MLS would take these questions into consideration BEFORE he attacks or insults others for asking about his credentials. Add to this, the impression that "others" immediately follow-up in support of MLS and perhaps he can see the hesitancy that some may have in taking his word as the end-all be-all on the subject.

Interestingly, this subject has been broached before and time and time again, when "authenticators" are asked to be specific on what they like or don't like about a signature or why they come to their conclusion, the common refrain has been, "I just know and I'm an expert on the subject." I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of so many experts telling me that they know without offering much of anything other than, "If you knew who I was, you'd know." Blind faith just doesn't cut it for me...

Again, I'm not disputing the fact that most of these buybacks are bogus, but I m raising a flag with regard to the "experts" that fail to provide any reasonable evidence other than their opinion although they've been asked numerous times in a myriad of ways. >>

You summed up exactly what I have been saying since MLS came on 4 different boards boasting of his credentials. All I have wanted all alone is for MLS to provide further details of his credentials ad a breakdown of why a signature is bogus so his opinions could be taken seriously. He has yet to do any of this.

Thank you for seeing my point of view on this issue

MinorLeagueSource · August 8, 2009 12:03AM

IchiroDeported · August 8, 2009 12:08AM

If you claim to be who you are, simply provide your credentials, work history and a phone number that we can call to verify that your an expert in such matters.

OR just move this damn post to the BUY SELL TRADE and this would not be an issue.

thenavarro · August 8, 2009 1:10AM

<< Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

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I typically don't get involved in these types of threads, but MinorLeagueSource has been an asset to me on a few occasions and I've bought/sold/traded with him as well.

Quite frankly, you are WRONG in your assertion that he "has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning". In a quick, 45 second search of his postings on the Jeter buybacks, I found this:

The author was MinorLeaugeSource, the date and time was Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 1:27 PM, and the exact cut and paste message was:

"all you have to do is have a 1 buy back card & produce as many fakes you want.

the D is wrong, the HOOPS arent mushroomed & the R

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Buying all Jose Albert Pujols signed items."

I count at least 3 very specific reasons why he believes the Jeter signature is not authentic. How many must he provide? His response was far more detailed then you would get if you had paid $100 dollars to PSA/DNA or JSA to authenticate an item and they found it to be questionable. They both would only send you back a letter with a photo of an item and do generic language stating something to the effect of the atypical slant, poor line quality and transition, etc. Basically, standard rhetoric which doesn't do anything for your understanding of why an item failed. However, MinorLeagueSource very specifically stated that the D and R were wrong and that the hoops weren't right either.

What kind of analysis are you looking for him to provide? Something along the lines of that he did carbon ink testing and found that the signature on the card, through scientific analysis, must have been written on July 4, 2002, in Seattle, WA, and since he was personally playing golf with Jeter that day and drinking with Jeter that night in Mexico City, Mexico and can document that fact with pictures and passport stamps and whatever else, then that's conclusive proof that the sig was not real?

Just trying to figure it out since you kept posting about it 16 days after he gave an adequate explanation.

Take care,

Mike

mccardguy1 · August 8, 2009 1:48AM

<< 

<< Let me be clear....I have no interest in those autographs and dont want or need a Jeter autograph. I dont care if they are real or fake. All I have been asking for is HIS opinion because he came on 4 separate boards boasting of his credentials but has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning (detailed reasoning) why the autos are bad even though he has been asked many times. Do I have an axe to grind?? No I just want him to back up what he said.

>>

I typically don't get involved in these types of threads, but MinorLeagueSource has been an asset to me on a few occasions and I've bought/sold/traded with him as well.

Quite frankly, you are WRONG in your assertion that he "has NOT YET given me or anyone else his reasoning". In a quick, 45 second search of his postings on the Jeter buybacks, I found this:

The author was MinorLeaugeSource, the date and time was Thursday, July 23, 2009 @ 1:27 PM, and the exact cut and paste message was:

"all you have to do is have a 1 buy back card & produce as many fakes you want.

the D is wrong, the HOOPS arent mushroomed & the R

-------------------------
Buying all Jose Albert Pujols signed items."

I count at least 3 very specific reasons why he believes the Jeter signature is not authentic. How many must he provide? His response was far more detailed then you would get if you had paid $100 dollars to PSA/DNA or JSA to authenticate an item and they found it to be questionable. They both would only send you back a letter with a photo of an item and do generic language stating something to the effect of the atypical slant, poor line quality and transition, etc. Basically, standard rhetoric which doesn't do anything for your understanding of why an item failed. However, MinorLeagueSource very specifically stated that the D and R were wrong and that the hoops weren't right either.

What kind of analysis are you looking for him to provide? Something along the lines of that he did carbon ink testing and found that the signature on the card, through scientific analysis, must have been written on July 4, 2002, in Seattle, WA, and since he was personally playing golf with Jeter that day and drinking with Jeter that night in Mexico City, Mexico and can document that fact with pictures and passport stamps and whatever else, then that's conclusive proof that the sig was not real?

Just trying to figure it out since you kept posting about it 16 days after he gave an adequate explanation.

Take care,

Mike >>

I have been on his rear end for awhile now on a number of different boards to provide the analysis that was posted above. All we have heard previously is that he worked for JSA and we should trust him. Well as I mentioned previously, I worked 7 years in Major League baseball but that does not make me a professional baseball player. While I will admit that I didnt see his post above I can say I have received a more detailed critique from Spence himself why a auto was authentic. I dont give a care where the auto was signed or what Jeter was doing when it was signed. MLS has come onto many boards and stated that a UD autograph is fake and SGC graded a fake card and never gave a very detailed reason for his opinion. When you question the reputation of 2 companies like he has you better offer more proof than "I worked for JSA and I know".

Again, I will stop the beating of this dead horse. I think my point has been proven.

Jsa/Bgs Signed rc's for sale. Updated with Jeter SP scan

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