Would you buy a high profile card with pinhole?

akuracy503 · August 5, 2009 3:59PM

Would you buy a high profile card with a pinhole or two in it? Let's say the card would grade a 3-4 otherwise.

If it was for personal collection and had nice eye appeal.

Curious to your thoughts...

Never owned a pinholed card...so I wouldnt know how I'd react to having it in my collection.

Allen · August 5, 2009 4:03PM

I would love to find a 52 Topps Mantle with a minor pinhole- maybe right in the black line. Makes some high profile cards affordable whereas I would never be able to own an example with such eye appeal. I actually have an 84-85 Star Jordan with a pinhole haha.

storm888 · August 5, 2009 4:04PM

NOT if I EVER planned to sell it and get my money back.

It will always have holes in it.

........

Exception would be IF I could get it SUPER cheap and dump it the next day.

akuracy503 · August 5, 2009 4:07PM

So I have one vote for yes would love to own one for the price and one for never would touch a pinholed card.

akuracy503 · August 5, 2009 4:07PM

You're telling me that you couldnt get your money back on a 1952 mantle with pinholes? Or a T206 Cobb?

akuracy503 · August 5, 2009 4:09PM

What if you get it for the "low" VCP price compared to the other 1's where you cant make out the picture from all the creases...

ChrisStufflestreet · August 5, 2009 4:11PM

Would I?

I own several already!

I love cards that aren't exactly "investor" quality. It fits very nicely within my budget. First of all, I prefer holes in my cards to holes in my binders. Secondly, I can always upgrade later.

handyman · August 5, 2009 4:34PM

Give me a T3 1911 Ty Cobb With the eye appeal of a 4 all day at a graded 1 price!! You know I love me some holes

EB22 · August 5, 2009 4:39PM

A pinhole never hurt anybody....

Allen · August 5, 2009 4:42PM

<< A pinhole never hurt anybody.... >>

Is that what you told your wife on your honeymoon night right before you told her she might feel a little pri(k?

storm888 · August 5, 2009 4:49PM

<< You're telling me that you couldnt get your money back on a 1952 mantle with pinholes? Or a T206 Cobb? >>

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A problem card will always be a problem card.
To hold any value, it must rely on a continuous
stream of folks who will settle for fillers.

A problem free card - if well protected - should
have a much wider market in out years.

The current market largely turns its nose up at
most 9 (OC) cards. That gives me little confidence
in the out-year value of cards with holes in them.

handyman · August 5, 2009 4:51PM

Pre war is a different story

nightcrawler · August 5, 2009 5:20PM

The best thing about pinholes is the way they devalue a card.

I would take a pinhole over a through the middle crease anyday.

Bosox1976 · August 5, 2009 8:52PM

I passed up a PSA 1 1952 Mantle with a pinhole a few years back and always regretted it. Dead centered with nice registration and 5-ish corners - sold for $4,000. Pinhole was pretty close to the black border like Allen described.

WinPitcher · August 5, 2009 10:01PM

Depends on the card, Cobbs, Wagners, Mantle, Turkey reds etc.

Also depends on the price.

Steve

bobsbbcards · August 5, 2009 10:29PM

<< Would you buy a high profile card with a pinhole or two in it? Let's say the card would grade a 3-4 otherwise. >>

For a really rare card, give me a PSA 1 with a pinhole all day long (if priced right). A pinhole turning a card automatically into a PSA 1 is ridiculous.

mikeschmidt · August 5, 2009 10:49PM

high profile card typically means mass produced. If it is mass produced, I'd probably lean away from a pinhole example, unless budget is a serious consideration. [think T206 Green Ty Cobb PSA 7 value versus PSA 1 pinhole]. Otherwise, I'm generally in the same camp as Bob.

ymarea · August 6, 2009 12:41AM

I vote "no." I would never knowingly buy a card with a pinhole. All the cards that I buy are strictly for my personal collection...there is never any intent to re-sell. I couldn't be satisfied knowing one of my cards had a hole in it, no matter how special the card.

itzagoner · August 6, 2009 12:44AM

i would only chose to own a pinhole card if i could also go back in time to b*tchslap the little kid who did it......of course, that little kid might be me.

stevek · August 6, 2009 12:45AM

It's nice cause ya could pin the card up on your wall board and just use the same pinhole, and it wouldn't add extra damage to the card.

akuracy503 · August 6, 2009 12:50AM

Very interesting census so far, we are split down the middle with both sides making a strong case.

This tells me that a decent portion of the market will find value in pinholed cards....it's all about value.

itzagoner · August 6, 2009 12:50AM

<< It's nice cause ya could pin the card up on your wall board and just use the same pinhole, and it wouldn't add extra damage to the card. >>

you'd think.....i tried that and wasted a perfectly nice Aaron rookie by jamming a 5/8" drill bit through the screw down.

Stone193 · August 6, 2009 2:31AM

If I could get a nice looking Cobb in a T3 with a pinhole such that I picked it up for PSA 1 price?

Fer sure!!

Otherwise, I'd pass.

mike

Tedw9 · August 6, 2009 4:17AM

As long as it was a card I could not normally afford and the pinhole was in a spot where it did not detract badly from the overall eye appeal, I would buy it.

rbdjr1 · August 6, 2009 4:24AM

No!

mrmint23 · August 6, 2009 4:38AM

Pin Hole. There is always a market for nice looking cards. But Storm is correct a card with a "problem" will always be harder to sale.

fkw · August 6, 2009 8:57AM

Heck ya I will, I love pinholes!

For the price & eye appeal a pinhole is the best "lower grade damaged card" you can find.

Id take a couple pinholes in border
over....
heavy creases
back paper pulls
writing within photo
trimming
clipped corners
miscut
tape
glue
etc.

1931 W517 Ruth w/Pinhole top border (Very tough "Strike Out" line at top)

Stone193 · August 6, 2009 9:04AM

<< Pin Hole. There is always a market for nice looking cards. But Storm is correct a card with a "problem" will always be harder to sale.

>>

I can't tell - does that card have a pinhole?

And, was it priced like a PSA 1?

Not everyone can afford a PSA 6 or 7 Mantle like that, so if the price is right? Why not?

Resale?

Most of the people here are like me - plain ole collectors - on a budget - tryin to have fun.

Certain cards are always worth the pinhole - again - if priced right.

mike

jimq112 · August 6, 2009 9:12AM

I bought a whitey ford rookie with a pinhole for my father in law for $40-50 or so on ebay a year or 2 ago. He was thrilled with it, it looks like a nice card and cost almost nothing.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money on a pinhole unless I couldn't find another one, but for a cheap setfiller it's ok with me.

mcadams · August 6, 2009 10:45AM

I'm actually a bit surprised to read most of the responses on this thread. For me, collecting cards is about building something "special." With a fixed budget, I'd much rather have 1 flawless example of a card than 10 cards with pinholes that I'd always view as fillers. I guess it gets down to what your motivation is, quality or quantity. Both have their advantages/disadvantages.

bigreddog · August 6, 2009 11:03AM

Yes, No, Maybe

Allen · August 6, 2009 11:05AM

Yeah I agree that you take that into account. If I have the budget to buy a solid PSA 4 Mantle 52T, then yeah I would just buy that. The Whitey Ford is a good example, I don't have a Ford rookie, if had lots of extra card money I would pick up a PSA 7 on a whim at a big show, but if I saw a good lookin one with a pinhole I would pick it up for cheap just to have it. Not too concerned about its increase in value so much as just having a 50's HOFer rookie card. Should I decide to move it later down the road I could just list it on ebay and let it roll, heck ya can't lose much.

bigred1 · August 6, 2009 1:38PM

For me, I have 7 t3s, four with pinholes, dont detract much as far as I am concerned, would be in 3-4 range without, but paid a lot less, however I do not have any others in sets I am working on, and probably would not, I think this set is only exception, partly due to size of cards.

Tim

scooperqpr · August 6, 2009 1:50PM

F**k yeh my collection would be empty without them

JeffD27177 · August 6, 2009 1:54PM

Short answer, yes.

And if anyone has a good looking Ty Cobb T3 or Shoeless Joe Cracker Jack with a pinhole they want to sell on the cheap, I'm your guy.

jerster · August 6, 2009 1:55PM

Heck yeah...

If anyone has a 54/55 Topps Howe with a pinhole, let me know!

Or a Delvecchio, or Sawchuk, or Lindsay, or Kelly....

Ladder7 · August 7, 2009 7:52AM

I dont mind the technical knockout when they look presentable. FKW, that Ruth is saaaaaweet!

Would you buy a high profile card with pinhole?

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