Anyone ever rip some 85 topps football?

burke23 · June 16, 2009 5:56AM

Is it even worth buying boxes of these to work on a graded set, or no? Looking at some cello boxes for around $150/pop with 672 cards a box. Figure I would break even at worst if I can get 60 (<10%) grade-worthy high pop commons split into 9's and 10's evenly - it would take less if I got anything of value of course, and I would use the 9's towards completing the set too and not sell them. Thoughts?
Pete

Beck6 · June 16, 2009 6:13AM

Anything cello has a high probability of dinged corners especially on that all black card. Might be tough to even pull 9's.

burke23 · June 16, 2009 6:16AM

Thanks - so rackpack the way to go, or wax? Or punt completely?
pete

Bunker · June 16, 2009 6:49AM

I pulled this from a wax box purchased from BBCE. I had a couple other 10's and a boat load of 9's:

burke23 · June 16, 2009 8:18AM

<< I pulled this from a wax box purchased from BBCE. I had a couple other 10's and a boat load of 9's:
>>

Well I could handle something like that - buying a waxbox, it wouldn't take too many 10's to make it worthwhile I would think. Really hoping for a rackpack box if I can get one that makes sense cost-wise. Thanks for the input.
pete

thedutymon · June 16, 2009 8:20AM

Good day,
In the last three years I've busted at least 3 cases worth of 1985 Football, and sub'd about 1000-1500. PM me we'll talk. Don't bother with Cello !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neil

ga5150 · June 16, 2009 10:50AM

I've done cello and wax and was a lot happier with wax. I got a couple of boxes last year off the bay and it turned out nicely.

Rodney

burke23 · June 16, 2009 12:18PM

Sounds like a consensus on the wax - is there a cheaper place than ebay for that, then?

swankdaddy7 · June 16, 2009 1:14PM

I've opened wax and racks. Probably prefer the wax, but my overall experience has been very hot/cold. I've opened 1 or 2 boxes in a row where everything was either off-center or whitish around the border.

daddymc · June 16, 2009 1:29PM

<< Sounds like a consensus on the wax - is there a cheaper place than ebay for that, then? >>

You don't necessarily want cheaper, unless you like searched and resealed wax or humidity damaged cards. I'd recommend BBCE. I pulled some nice '85s from wax packs purchased through them.

Rogermnj · June 16, 2009 1:40PM

i purchased about 8 wax boxes from bbce for $130ea or something similar last year and got crucified. Probably lost 80% of my investment on that break and grade.

I purchased a rack case for $950? or $1000 i cant remember. I opened 1 box and pulled a 10 of elway,munchak,dorsett,payton9,dent9,elway9 and probably made about $2500 profit off that one box.

i opened about 6 cello boxes- nothing exciting. probably lost 50% of investment.

I am cracking another box tomorrow for a sub so hopefully it will be like the first!

ldferg · June 16, 2009 1:41PM

roj,
where did you locate the rack case? i've had hit/miss with rack.

lsutigers1973 · June 16, 2009 1:44PM

Never opened any racks of 85 football, but wax are definitely the way to go if you are trying to decide between cello or wax. The cleanest cello box you can find is still going to have white corners or most of the cards in each pack. Only advantage with cellos is that you can see the average centering on most cards in the pack based on the top card showing.

Rogermnj · June 16, 2009 2:01PM

<< roj,
where did you locate the rack case? i've had hit/miss with rack. >>

I purchased it from steven dickler.
He sells lots of wax from 70s and 80s.

I use to deal with him about 12yrs ago and he has been around a while and usually has clean wax. I dont think he is anywhere near as knowledgeable as steve hart as far as knowing if the product is clean or not but i have never had a problem. He is easy to deal with and fair on pricing. He also has boxes from the 70s and all the 80s football and baseball in stock and i think he does newer stuff too. I'm pretty sure he is direct with topps/ud etc.

Pm me if you want his # to get an idea of what wax he has.
I dont think he has a website or sells on ebay but he sets up at the fort washington/Reading show every year in PA which is where i got the rack case. Its actually the first 85 rack case i have ever seen that wasnt grocery and still sealed.

1neatstuff · June 16, 2009 5:25PM

i have opened 2 vending cases of these and i still have around 6 unopened vending boxes of theses..they really can be hit or miss on vending i found i have submitted around 200 or so cards and i might have another 200 or so to send in but they sure are fun to crack...good luck either way....

fiveniner · June 16, 2009 10:20PM

I have opened a 85 cello box and I really cant complain.Just lucky I guess.

burke23 · June 17, 2009 1:54AM

<< i purchased about 8 wax boxes from bbce for $130ea or something similar last year and got crucified. Probably lost 80% of my investment on that break and grade.

I purchased a rack case for $950? or $1000 i cant remember. I opened 1 box and pulled a 10 of elway,munchak,dorsett,payton9,dent9,elway9 and probably made about $2500 profit off that one box.

i opened about 6 cello boxes- nothing exciting. probably lost 50% of investment.

I am cracking another box tomorrow for a sub so hopefully it will be like the first! >>

So curious - what percent are usually gradable (9's or 10's)? Is 5-6% (or 30 or so cards a box) aiming to high or low on average?

Rogermnj · June 17, 2009 12:52PM

<< 

<< i purchased about 8 wax boxes from bbce for $130ea or something similar last year and got crucified. Probably lost 80% of my investment on that break and grade.

I purchased a rack case for $950? or $1000 i cant remember. I opened 1 box and pulled a 10 of elway,munchak,dorsett,payton9,dent9,elway9 and probably made about $2500 profit off that one box.

i opened about 6 cello boxes- nothing exciting. probably lost 50% of investment.

I am cracking another box tomorrow for a sub so hopefully it will be like the first! >>

So curious - what percent are usually gradable (9's or 10's)? Is 5-6% (or 30 or so cards a box) aiming to high or low on average? >>

i've opened wax boxes with 0 gradeables. The rack box i opened about 20 minutes ago had 250 submittable cards. We will see how they turn out

burke23 · June 18, 2009 12:08AM

rogermnj - you just let me know if you don't want to send in any of those 250 - or the other 10,000 85's you are sitting on.

Bunker · June 18, 2009 12:42AM

I have never bought any Rack Packs for the 85's, I will have to see if the BBCE has any.

By the way, here is a link to the B/S/T, I need 7 more raw cards to finish my set. $ or trade

I need 7 more to finish my set

Anyone ever rip some 85 topps football?

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