My overgraded 4SC purchase
f2tornado
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I have bad luck buying PSA slabs with accurate grades, albeit a very small sample size. I'm now 0-fer-2. I discussed my first episode last year on this forum HERE. I lost $20 on that one. I purchased a Mint 9 1985 Donruss Nolan Ryan, my second online PSA graded card purchase, a few weeks ago from 4SC... yes, 4SC, I know. The card looked like it had potential for a crossover to BGS 9.5 to fill a customer's want list. A large scan of the card HERE. Note the black ink smear across Ryan's shoulder as well as a smaller smear above the shoulder. No way this card deserves a 9 with a flaw of this magnitude. I completely missed this defect in the scan... the eBay scan was smallish but clear. I'll probably lose at least $10 on this one. I'm done buying slabbed modern stuff from mass submission dealers. If I want my card in a slab I'll buy the raw copy and submit it myself.
"One you start thinking you're the best then you might as well quit because you wont get any better" - Dale Earnhardt
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CDsNuts, 1/9/15
<< <i>I have bad luck buying PSA slabs with accurate grades, albeit a very small sample size. I'm now 0-fer-2. I discussed my first episode last year on this forum HERE. I lost $20 on that one. I purchased a Mint 9 1985 Donruss Nolan Ryan, my second online PSA graded card purchase, a few weeks ago from 4SC... yes, 4SC, I know. The card looked like it had potential for a crossover to BGS 9.5 to fill a customer's want list. A large scan of the card HERE. Note the black ink smear across Ryan's shoulder as well as a smaller smear above the shoulder. No way this card deserves a 9 with a flaw of this magnitude. I completely missed this defect in the scan... the eBay scan was smallish but clear. I'll probably lose at least $10 on this one. I'm done buying slabbed modern stuff from mass submission dealers. If I want my card in a slab I'll buy the raw copy and submit it myself. >>
Let me get this straight... You're angry because you gambled and lost?
Forget the smudge on the Ryan, did you also miss the tilt and centering? It's a weak PSA 9, but if you thought, from that scan, that it was a BGS 9.5 candidate, then I understand why you're having issues.
Now, who says YOU are entitled to make a profit on every purchase? Why is it the modern bulk submitter who is at fault? Why are you such a whiner that when you take a risk and lose and can't man up and swallow a small loss? Do you realize the risk/reward margin? Why are you such a one-way street?
I cannot count the number of times I've bought a graded card online anticipating a potential bump only to find out that it isn't going to happen. You know what I do? I either add the card to my collection or I resell it with a better scan and full description and eat the loss. I don't complain about it. I don't out the seller. I don't go on a public message board sounding like a complete baby.
<< <i>Forget the smudge on the Ryan, did you also miss the tilt and centering? It's a weak PSA 9, but if you thought, from that scan, that it was a BGS 9.5 candidate, then I understand why you're having issues. >>
Exactly. That card is off T/B, L/R, and it has a tilt. Did you really think it would cross to a BGS 9.5? Really?
CDsNuts, 1/9/15
Steve
Lesson learned - small scan, large dealer...you can presume it's a low end card, not every time, but almost every time.
If they offer a return then send it back, or I guess it's the "no return on graded cards" thing, and with a no return policy such as that, it likely will be a low end card every time.
That's it! I'm quitting the hobby! ... anyone want to buy 550+ graded Chris Sabo cards?
...oh, and don't even TRY to cross-over the 9's, I just found out they won't!
ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!
I've seen plenty of ink stained '85 Donruss Ryan's over the years. 4-Sharp's is an ugly 9 no doubt, but that's no reason to complain about them on a public chat board. You should be complaining about PSA overgrading it.
I've purchased some vintage 8's from 4-sharp in the past that I felt were undergraded. I guess I should post them here to balance out the argument.
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>The last PSA 10 of this card sold for less than $25/dlvd. >>
Really? What is the pop on this card? There is only one BGS 9.5
cardbender: point well taken. This is not 4SC's fault.
That would be the social welfare system.
<< <i>Wow you guys are brutal!! >>
The original poster should know better than to start political threads.
<< <i><< The last PSA 10 of this card sold for less than $25/dlvd. >>
Really? What is the pop on this card? There is only one BGS 9.5 >>
There have been 30 PSA 10s graded (out of 660 submitted).
WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
<< <i>4sc-is that levi?the guy with one of every old card in the 50's psa1 through 10?Hes got alot of stuff if thats him? >>
two completely different sets of people.
Levi [of 707 Sportscards] does not carry much by way of modern.
Hey that didn't sound right.
No it didnt,but it was funny