All i can say is that this auction is INSANE!
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We are currently buying all vintage sets from 52-75 for baseball and football.
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sportscardshoppe
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<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
Well in that case, thank god my car is a Yugo.
/s/ JackWESQ
<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
I don't care if this was freakin Bill Gates, buying low pop commons at these insane prices is retardation.
The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money.
<< <i>The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money. >>
Ya, and nothing frosts my slabs worse than that.
<< <i>LOL at another 'susor special'. Hard to say which has had more work done on it-- that card or Pam Anderson's rack. >>
So I read that and then typed in "'Scott Susor' trim" on Google and came across this post on the SGC message board. All I can say is holy smokes!
/s/ JackWESQ
While perusing some 1959 graded cards on eBay, I came across this auction
1959 Drott listed by scottsusor
I searched forward and backward from the Drott cert # and came up with the following statistics after exactly 50 cards, a tidy invoice submission, numbered 60082272 to 60082321: 52% showed evidence of trimming!! Here are all 26 of the offenders. Makes one wonder how many of the 24 "legit cards" slipped through? Or maybe a better question, has anyone EVER in the history of card grading consistently submitted a higher percentage of Evidence of Trimming than Scott Susor? What kind of pathetic boiler room operation is this guy running?
60082272 - 1959 Hoeft - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082273 - 1959 Pilarcik - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082274 - 1959 Held - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082276 - 1959 Goodman - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082278 - 1959 Carey - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082279 - 1959 Avila - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082281 - 1959 Triandos - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082283 - 1959 Bertoia - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082286 - 1959 McCormick - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082287 - 1959 Miller - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082289 - 1959 Run Preventers - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082290 - 1959 Lumenti Option - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082291 - 1959 Moore - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082292 - 1959 Speake - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082293 - 1959 Averill - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082298 - 1959 Del Rice - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082299 - 1959 Runnels - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082300 - 1959 Hanebrink Trade - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082306 - 1959 Altman - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082309 - 1959 Wise - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082312 - 1959 Schmidt - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082316 - 1959 Hegan- Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082318 - 1959 Score - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082319 - 1959 Semproch - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082320 - 1959 Giel - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
60082321 - 1959 Blayock - Not Holdered, Evidence of Trimming
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>Whatever he is doing he does it well. I don't thknk he trims. He buys a ton of cards and only subs a few it looks like >>
Welcome back to the boards, Scott. We've missed you.
Eyebone
<< <i>Ah, Boo, I have missed your steady cynicism, sir. Shall I be seeing you in Toronto in a few weeks?
Eyebone >>
As fate would have it, I made a blood oath with my wife that I would clean all the baseball cards out of the basement if she would take the kids up north to the in-laws' place over that weekend. So, instead of goofing in Toronto I'll be trudging through cases of 1988 OPC stickers and picking out the mintiest specimens from my piles of Shawn Green cards.
I will, however, be in attendance over the National. I assume you're coming down this year? PM me in June/July so we can firm up plans.
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<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
I don't care if this was freakin Bill Gates, buying low pop commons at these insane prices is retardation.
The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money. >>
Can't the same thing be said of anyone who buys graded cards? This is an extreme example of course, but isn't it the same thing as paying several hundreds times the raw cost for any grade card? I collect 1985 football cards, am I insane or a 'sheep' to want to pay upwards of $200 for a Walter Payton in PSA 9, when a great looking raw card can be had for $5? This isn't meant to be argumentative, but it could be said that anyone buying graded cards falls under the same guidelines. A low pop, high grade common could be just as valuable to the winning bidder (or bidders, as I am sure there was at least 2 people bidding against one another) as the 1985 Payton in 9 is to me.
<< <i>Whatever he is doing he does it well. I don't thknk he trims. He buys a ton of cards and only subs a few it looks like >>
When do you get your wool removed next sheep or maybe Boo had it right, either way Double S is a serious detrement to the hobby.
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<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
I don't care if this was freakin Bill Gates, buying low pop commons at these insane prices is retardation.
The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money. >>
But in certain instances its not. The guy needed it for his set and he made sure he landed it, financially for this guy its prolly the same thing as say you buying a pack of gum for $1.25 eating 3 pieces and throwing the pack away- bad investment but you will never miss the money!
<< <i>LOL at another 'susor special'. Hard to say which has had more work done on it-- that card or Pam Anderson's rack. >>
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<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
I don't care if this was freakin Bill Gates, buying low pop commons at these insane prices is retardation.
The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money. >>
Can't the same thing be said of anyone who buys graded cards? This is an extreme example of course, but isn't it the same thing as paying several hundreds times the raw cost for any grade card? I collect 1985 football cards, am I insane or a 'sheep' to want to pay upwards of $200 for a Walter Payton in PSA 9, when a great looking raw card can be had for $5? This isn't meant to be argumentative, but it could be said that anyone buying graded cards falls under the same guidelines. A low pop, high grade common could be just as valuable to the winning bidder (or bidders, as I am sure there was at least 2 people bidding against one another) as the 1985 Payton in 9 is to me. >>
This is a good point, but hey we are talking about a legend, Walter Payton and we are talking about a black bordered card. You wanting a psa 9 is having peace of mind that the card is not recolored and that the centering,corners, are near perfect. I would say that there should be plenty of raw psa 9 quality 85 football paytons out there though and if you had the chance to go to shows and card shops you could find one raw. Buying off of ebay is a crapshoot when you can't go over the card in person. As far as buying a low pop 50's common or 71 common for thousands of dollars though imho is ridiculous and I think fueled by the set registry which is like a competition of sorts and these guys are feeding their egos with their fat wallets for some sort of interpersonal bragging rights. I personally think it is a bad investment. Call me crazy, God knows I have been called worse...lol
Steve
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<< <i>The reality of the situation is that more than likely $3000 to that gentleman is like $30 to us ( or maybe even 30 cents ) >>
I don't care if this was freakin Bill Gates, buying low pop commons at these insane prices is retardation.
The registry has caused people to become stupid little sheep with their money. >>
Can't the same thing be said of anyone who buys graded cards? This is an extreme example of course, but isn't it the same thing as paying several hundreds times the raw cost for any grade card? I collect 1985 football cards, am I insane or a 'sheep' to want to pay upwards of $200 for a Walter Payton in PSA 9, when a great looking raw card can be had for $5? This isn't meant to be argumentative, but it could be said that anyone buying graded cards falls under the same guidelines. A low pop, high grade common could be just as valuable to the winning bidder (or bidders, as I am sure there was at least 2 people bidding against one another) as the 1985 Payton in 9 is to me. >>
This is a good point, but hey we are talking about a legend, Walter Payton and we are talking about a black bordered card. You wanting a psa 9 is having peace of mind that the card is not recolored and that the centering,corners, are near perfect. I would say that there should be plenty of raw psa 9 quality 85 football paytons out there though and if you had the chance to go to shows and card shops you could find one raw. Buying off of ebay is a crapshoot when you can't go over the card in person. As far as buying a low pop 50's common or 71 common for thousands of dollars though imho is ridiculous and I think fueled by the set registry which is like a competition of sorts and these guys are feeding their egos with their fat wallets for some sort of interpersonal bragging rights. I personally think it is a bad investment. Call me crazy, God knows I have been called worse...lol >>
Not trying to call you crazy, just trying to give some insight. I currently have a PSA 8 of Payton that I bought for $10 and its a great looking card. The 9 would be a minimal upgrade at best looks wise but I want the 9. I suppose its the same with all sets, really, isn't it? And I'm sure to the person buying it that its less of an investment and more of an accomplishment to get that set in high grade.
Also, is it any different from any high end pursuit? Be it sports cards or sports cars? I see the auctions on TV for cars that go into the hundreds of thousands, even the millions. I'd suggest that the people buying those cars for that kind of money are into it for the same reason as the people buying sports cards. There are going to be a lot of people who question either purchase - I suppose its all about the pursuit, and, yes, to a larger degree, the competition.
Would I spend that kind of money for a common? Hell, it depends. If I was so loaded with money that $3k becomes pocket change, maybe? If it was a set I truly wanted and especially with the set registry awards coming up, who knows? The set registry is by far the most compelling reason people upgrade their cards, even one grade.
Steve