What happens if you just dont pay ??

tennesseebanker · January 18, 2009 11:14PM

I am thinking about just not paying on an E-bay auction, I've had enough of sellers ripping me a new anus when it comes to shipping.
Why in the hell would it cost $10.50 to ship four raw cards ??? Are they going to put them in a flat rate box or something ?
And this is from one of the biggest sellers on E-bay, One of the beloved banner sponsors on the top of the page.
Screw it, Keep you cards !

WinPitcher · January 18, 2009 11:29PM

Did you know this before you bid? If so, your bid and everyone else's reflected the winning bid.

I'm sorry this happened to you.

Steve

Ironmanfan · January 18, 2009 11:30PM

were the shipping costs noted in the auction description? if not, did you ask what the costs would be if you would win? I think you have to honor your bids IMO (and then choose not to bid in the future on any more of their items).

Stingray · January 18, 2009 11:36PM

Should pay if you won if shipping was stated in the auction. Leave a neutral feedback saying that you were unhappy with shipping cost.

WinPitcher · January 18, 2009 11:44PM

To answer the question, at most the only thing that can happen is you
get a strike. If it is your first ebay will take it away.

I've only done it once (I was in the hospital) got a neg and a strike. The strike was erased from my record
the negative is on my buying account so I could care less. I really wanted that item too.

Steve

lsutigers1973 · January 18, 2009 11:57PM

What's your eBay ID? I need to add some names to my BB list.

jivan · January 19, 2009 12:00AM

why leave a neutral feedback ??? when bidding you state you have read and agree to the sellers terms.. his auction pricing was stated clearly.....

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:00AM

I will probably end up bending over and taking it. I am just tired of being charged exuberant amounts for shipping. Maybe I should start charging these bastiges for filling up my inbox with spam e-mail.
Or better yet, file an item not received as described when i get a bubble mailer with $2 worth of postage on it. Saying this isnt the item I won, because I paid $10.50 for shipping.

WinPitcher · January 19, 2009 12:01AM

Bill I wouldn't go that far, Barry is one of the best when it comes to the hobby.

I think he is just frustrated. IMO the seller probably touted combined shipping then took off a buck on each
auction won.

Steve

jimq112 · January 19, 2009 12:07AM

If you're talking about justcollect, their auctions say $4.50 for first GRADED card and $2 each additional. I think that's fair and have no problems with them. But if you bought RAW cards from them, maybe email and ask for a discount since they're not graded?

It's at least worth asking, if they tell you no discount then don't buy from them again.

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:08AM

Thanks Jim, Thats what I did just before you post. I am calming down a little now and thinking a little more clearly.

viking7 · January 19, 2009 12:28AM

Hope the seller works with you Barry.

PoppaJ · January 19, 2009 12:34AM

Barry,

I think most people would agree that the seller's shipping rate is ridiculously high, but exactly what did you think the seller was likely to do?

Were you expecting a discount? Was a multiple-win discount implied anywhere within the shipping terms?

With what little info that you've given us about the auction/cards etc, it's hard to side with you in this matter.

This is a bit disturbing ..... "Or better yet, file an item not received as described when i get a bubble mailer with $2 worth of postage on it. Saying this isnt the item I won, because I paid $10.50 for shipping." Hopefully, you're just venting.

Simply ignore future auctions that charge exuberant shipping charges, regardless of the cards involved.

If you're upset with anybody, maybe it should be yourself. Sometimes, we have to be critical of ourselves. Put the blame where it belongs and then laugh it off. Ask yourself, "what was I thinking when I agreed to pay $10.50 for shipping for 4 raw cards?"

Personally, I'd pay the seller and once I receive my package, I'd send feedback and give a sincere DSR rating for shipping costs ... and then move on.

PoppaJ

lsutigers1973 · January 19, 2009 12:36AM

<< Bill I wouldn't go that far, Barry is one of the best when it comes to the hobby. >>

Good morning Steve. That was a joke actually. The only thing I have against Barry is his man crush for Eli Manning.

Barry, you should buy from me. I don't charge for shipping. I just charge extra for the cards

PoppaJ · January 19, 2009 12:37AM

<< Thanks Jim, Thats what I did just before you post. I am calming down a little now and thinking a little more clearly. >>

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Barry,

It's good to hear that you've calmed down.

Life's too short

Have a great day!

PoppaJ

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:39AM

Ok, Ok, I blew up at a seller for over -charging for shipping. It Happens.
I'm not going to do anything irrational, I've been on E-bay and these boards long enough to know better, and should have known better.
When I get the cards I will leave positive feedback and a low dsr rating. No big deal.

lawnmowerman · January 19, 2009 12:43AM

<< 

<< Thanks Jim, Thats what I did just before you post. I am calming down a little now and thinking a little more clearly. >>

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Barry,

It's good to hear that you've calmed down.

Life's too short

Have a great day!

PoppaJ >>

When we were kids, Barry once beat me up for accidently taping his Pil Simms card to my bike spokes

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:43AM

Bill, I keep waiting for that card in your avatar to become available in your store.

lsutigers1973 · January 19, 2009 12:44AM

<< Bill, I keep waiting for that card in your avatar to become available in your store. >>

Mastro auction in March and will be on the cover of the SMR next month.

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:46AM

When we were kids, Barry once beat me up for accidently taping his Pil Simms card to my bike spokes

That and the fact you were riding a Barbie bike, You were asking for it.

Mescalito345 · January 19, 2009 12:46AM

(1) buy a $1.00 card, and pay $9.00 shipping

(2) buy a $9.00 card, and pay $1.00 shipping

There's no difference between (1) and (2).

If the combined cost (in this case, $10) is too much, then just don't bid.

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 12:51AM

<< (1) buy a $1.00 card, and pay $9.00 shipping

(2) buy a $9.00 card, and pay $1.00 shipping

There's no difference between (1) and (2).

If the combined cost (in this case, $10) is too much, then just don't bid. >>

Wow, That is pure genius. You're in charge of the governments bail-out plan aren't you ??

lsutigers1973 · January 19, 2009 1:01AM

<< (1) buy a $1.00 card, and pay $9.00 shipping

(2) buy a $9.00 card, and pay $1.00 shipping

There's no difference between (1) and (2).

If the combined cost (in this case, $10) is too much, then just don't bid. >>

Nice theory but will usually get reported for eBay fee avoidance or excessive shipping.

jrinck · January 19, 2009 1:26AM

Actually, the thread title brings up a really good point. What if you just don't pay? NPB and a neg? Oooh, scary stuff! Is that the worst they can do to you? Can you be sued? Is someone really going to take the time to sue over a ten dollar auction, though?

Ebays entire system is kind of based on an ego thing. We all want high feedback numbers, but in the end, what the he[/]ll does it matter if you're a buyer? And if a seller leaves a neg, he can risk getting a retaliatory neg (and the hassle of getting it removed). It's kind of like that scene in one of those Clint Eastwood movies where there are three guys in a triangle, each pointing a gun at one of the others. One guy is the buyer, one guy is the seller, and one guy is Ebay. But in the end, who cares since the guns are all full of blanks, anyway?

lawnmowerman · January 19, 2009 1:27AM

Sellers can't leave negs

Mescalito345 · January 19, 2009 1:43AM

Nice theory but will usually get reported for eBay fee avoidance or excessive shipping.

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That's true, but I was looking at it from the buyer's point of view.

TNP777 · January 19, 2009 1:54AM

bad things, man, bad things

storm888 · January 19, 2009 2:28AM

"What happens if you just dont pay ??"

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NOTHING.

Ahmanfan · January 19, 2009 2:43AM

You know what? I'm going to go against the general sentiment and say don't pay. stick it to this guy! If we continue to pay it will just continue encouraging this behavior. If he has enough winners not pay, maybe the shipping price will go down to a reasonable level. I charge what is fair ($2 or $3 and combine for free), because it is what is right to do. Why should I have to pay someone else's exhorbinant shipping price because they feel like screwing me? I shouldn't. And I don't care that 'well you knew about their terms'. If someone stated "I'm going to mug you if you walk down this alley", I'm not going down the alley!

John

rube26105 · January 19, 2009 2:47AM

<"What happens if you just dont pay ??">

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that was a riot, i wanna see some more fishslap

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leathtech · January 19, 2009 3:51AM

<< Ok, Ok, I blew up at a seller for over -charging for shipping. It Happens.
I'm not going to do anything irrational, I've been on E-bay and these boards long enough to know better, and should have known better.
When I get the cards I will leave positive feedback and a low dsr rating. No big deal. >>

I feel your pain... as an honest ebay seller who does not over charge for shipping I really hate sellers like the one you described. Ebay has silly rules for everything else why not just control shipping rates with everything else.

joestalin · January 19, 2009 4:00AM

Do buyers ever go to the post office anymore? Shipping isn't cheap. Sometimes sellers like to ship cards safely, that costs money. If you don't like it
don't bid. Im amazed the demands that buyers and ebay has....ebay tells us that its better to sell items when shipping is free...ahh ok, buyer likes that
and of course ebay likes that but the seller takes the loss AND pay fees! Buyers want fast services and the cards packed well, but can't understand
whey they have to pay a that whopping 3 dollars on shipping, sometimes after spending 100+ on the card!

I have never been one to try to make money on shipping, so perhaps I don't see the problem, but you always have the option of not bidding on an item. Ebay
caters to the buyers cause thats the only way they make real money. Sucks for sellers but that is the way it is...if you bid on realize that you accept the
shipping charges!

Kevin

tennesseebanker · January 19, 2009 4:16AM

I guess if anyone knew about not paying it would be you, Thanks !

storm888 · January 19, 2009 4:27AM

".......ebay tells us that its better to sell items when shipping is free...ahh ok, buyer likes that
and of course ebay likes that but the seller takes the loss AND pay fees! ..."

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I have used "FREE" shipping since before it was "fashionable."

I have never lost a dime on it. The costs of doing biz are built
into the item price; the end-user pays ALL expenses. That is
how biz works.

...

I still have NO clue as to how to make my scheme work on low-priced
auction items. Works great on BINs, though.

rbdjr1 · January 19, 2009 4:46AM

for many large volume ebay sellers, shipping is indeed part of their "profit structure". Trying to find those 4 raw cards elsewhere, got to cost you more than the $10.50 combined shipping the Seller is charging you.

So with a 'grain of salt', just 'grin and bare it' with the rest of us (suckers) hobbyists!

Pleeeeze pay them! ...And enjoy your new material ('shipping sticker shock' will ware off soon!).

rd

P.S. You'll "bend over again" as we all do here!

mtcards · January 19, 2009 5:18AM

I think everyone needs to look at it from the POV of being a seller.

What is realistic shipping costs for a couple of raw cards? $2? $3? $4? How much would it take before you thought the seller was gouging on a fee? What if everyone who bid on an item, knowing the shipping cost in advance, decided NOT to pay? Is doing that really being the better person?

I agree that the shipping costs here may be a little high, but were they not displayed? Do you go to Kroger, pick up a few steaks and then get to the counter to pay and try to now negotiate a new price? Why should ebay be any different?

I guess the point I am trying to make is many times I have seen many people on this board say, "Hey, check out this card I got at half SMR/VCP", did you complain to the seller that the price was too low? Of course not. If the shipping is displayed properly and you agree to it by bidding, you pay it, period. If you feel its a gouge, then you dont bid, period.

Figure the shipping into the price. Remember, the real evil here is ebay. Many sellers are trying to recoup some of their many fees from Feebay and Feepal.

grote15 · January 19, 2009 9:18AM

I find it somewhat amusing that Just Collect leaves feedback for each buyer asking to rate them five stars in each category after charging for shipping they way they do...If they were really interested in getting a higher DSR rating, they'd lower their shipping charges which are quite high, IMO, especially if you're buying lower-priced stuff.

lawnmowerman · January 19, 2009 11:42AM

<< I guess if anyone knew about not paying it would be you, Thanks ! >>

+1 for you!!

nightcrawler · January 19, 2009 12:50PM

<< 

<< Bill, I keep waiting for that card in your avatar to become available in your store. >>

Mastro auction in March and will be on the cover of the SMR next month. >>

I hope they'll be listing lots of Bore items.

What happens if you just dont pay ??

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