let's see. you've got a coin that sold for $600 on Teletrade at the height of the toner craze nonsense, put in an ebay store by a former forum member that claims the high prices were because he only intends to showcase his coins on ebay, not sell them.
Couple that with the common practice by same seller of shutting down his auctions if the coin doesn't get the money he wants (which it is only a matter of time until ebay catches onto this one), and I think he will pull this one from auction too with a day or so left as he won't get anywhere near what he paid. that is my prediction.
<< <i>let's see. you've got a coin that sold for $600 on Teletrade at the height of the toner craze nonsense, put in an ebay store by a former forum member that claims the high prices were because he only intends to showcase his coins on ebay, not sell them.
Couple that with the common practice by same seller of shutting down his auctions if the coin doesn't get the money he wants (which it is only a matter of time until ebay catches onto this one), and I think he will pull this one from auction too with a day or so left as he won't get anywhere near what he paid. that is my prediction. >>
What disapoints me most is that any company would entertain slabbing an AT coin, surely it's as despicable as a harsh cleaning. I would BB it out of hand
<< <i>What disapoints me most is that any company would entertain slabbing an AT coin, surely it's as despicable as a harsh cleaning. I would BB it out of hand >>
Maybe PCGS will buy it back and take it off the market.
I'm not really familiar with the typical look of this coin, so forgive me if this is a stupid question... what makes you so convinced that it is artificial toning? I've seen numerous coins with toning similar to this, such as the 1970s canadian specimen dollars.
<< <i>I'm not really familiar with the typical look of this coin, so forgive me if this is a stupid question... what makes you so convinced that it is artificial toning? I've seen numerous coins with toning similar to this, such as the 1970s canadian specimen dollars. >>
The bands are too perfect overall, with multi-hued toning that doesn't "bleed" into the other stripes naturally. I'm one on this forum that has owned a boatload of the rainbow toned Candian dollars you speak of; those particular dollars picked up their coloring from the clamshell type Mint packaging material, and usually is quite colorfully mottled. Target toning is one thing, but nearly perfect rings of colors of this shad/type are usually the sign of a half-arsed doctor that hasn't quite perfected his art yet.
also, these Churchill Crowns aren't known for toning much, let alone colorfully toning in their normal state, unlike the Canadian dollars you speak of.
IMO This whole Churchill toned coin thing is a complete farce.
There is no way there is such a thing as a "naturally toned" 1965 crown. Of course the process was accelerated. This is base metal, for cryin' out loud! These pieces weren't issued in cases (maybe they were later repackaged as such). In most situations, the coin would only tone on one side - consistent with the packaging of that era. The "natural" toning would be more apt to be a haze anyway.
And even if it is artificial, it's certainly not blatant. How would that be known?
Churchill crowns can tone, but they tend to look more like this Definitely with a hazy appearance, usually in a fairly nasty environment (London or a seaside town)
"And even if it is artificial, it's certainly not blatant. How would that be known?"
Yelloweye evidently has insider information about adding 'intent' grades to entombed toned coins..."not blatant" falls right between the intent grades of "oops, got kinda hot" and "sorta_blatant"
Ended at $413. Seller took a beating. I'm surprised it went to completion, as this bozo has a nasty habit of ending auctions with less than a day left. I'd been watching a bunch of colorfully-toned Canadian dollars, all ended early...
so it looks like in less than one year, someone's 'shake and bake' AT'd mess has fetched a combined $1000, counting the Teletrade and now the completed eBay auction.
nothing like rewarding the coin doctors for their work I guess
I think, when you consider it's the highest graded, and it's sort of a modern, that's not out of sight. I know we all say it's a 2 dollar coin, but that's because we don't have any graded 65.
But it does make you a coin nerd if you bought it.
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let's see. you've got a coin that sold for $600 on Teletrade at the height of the toner craze nonsense, put in an ebay store by a former forum member that claims the high prices were because he only intends to showcase his coins on ebay, not sell them.
Couple that with the common practice by same seller of shutting down his auctions if the coin doesn't get the money he wants (which it is only a matter of time until ebay catches onto this one), and I think he will pull this one from auction too with a day or so left as he won't get anywhere near what he paid. that is my prediction.
<< <i>let's see. you've got a coin that sold for $600 on Teletrade at the height of the toner craze nonsense, put in an ebay store by a former forum member that claims the high prices were because he only intends to showcase his coins on ebay, not sell them.
Couple that with the common practice by same seller of shutting down his auctions if the coin doesn't get the money he wants (which it is only a matter of time until ebay catches onto this one), and I think he will pull this one from auction too with a day or so left as he won't get anywhere near what he paid. that is my prediction. >>
PS: plus i think the coin is blatantly AT'd
Why shucks, I'd even go $50-ish on it myself, which is evidence of how much (or how little) the toning madness has rubbed off on me.
Unfortunately, I am a numismatic failure as I side stepped the question.
The coin will not be sold is my guess
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<< <i>Why shucks, I'd even go $50-ish on it myself, which is evidence of how much (or how little) the toning madness has rubbed off on me. >>
I went $51.00
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The prettiest Churchill Crown is still a Churchill Crown....
(The recent campaign line of "Putting lipstick on a pig" seems true here....)
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<< <i>ajaan, it might not sell, the seller can end the auction early and give any excuse he wants, or no excuse at all. >>
yup, see my post above. he has been doing that alot. i'll bet it won't go for more than $300 before he pulls the auction before the expiration period.
<< <i>What disapoints me most is that any company would entertain slabbing an AT coin, surely it's as despicable as a harsh cleaning. I would BB it out of hand
Maybe PCGS will buy it back and take it off the market.
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what makes you so convinced that it is artificial toning? I've seen numerous coins with toning similar to this, such as the 1970s canadian specimen dollars.
<< <i>I'm not really familiar with the typical look of this coin, so forgive me if this is a stupid question...
what makes you so convinced that it is artificial toning? I've seen numerous coins with toning similar to this, such as the 1970s canadian specimen dollars. >>
The bands are too perfect overall, with multi-hued toning that doesn't "bleed" into the other stripes naturally. I'm one on this forum that has owned a boatload of the rainbow toned Candian dollars you speak of; those particular dollars picked up their coloring from the clamshell type Mint packaging material, and usually is quite colorfully mottled. Target toning is one thing, but nearly perfect rings of colors of this shad/type are usually the sign of a half-arsed doctor that hasn't quite perfected his art yet.
also, these Churchill Crowns aren't known for toning much, let alone colorfully toning in their normal state, unlike the Canadian dollars you speak of.
There is no way there is such a thing as a "naturally toned" 1965 crown. Of course the process was accelerated. This is base metal, for cryin' out loud! These pieces weren't issued in cases (maybe they were later repackaged as such). In most situations, the coin would only tone on one side - consistent with the packaging of that era. The "natural" toning would be more apt to be a haze anyway.
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When you see CuNi coins toned like an Easter Egg, I think it's a good idea to be a bit suspicious.
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<< <i>PS: plus i think the coin is blatantly AT'd >>
I stringly disagree.
And even if it is artificial, it's certainly not blatant.
How would that be known?
Churchill crowns can tone, but they tend to look more like this
Definitely with a hazy appearance, usually in a fairly nasty environment (London or a seaside town)
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<< <i>PS: plus i think the coin is blatantly AT'd >>
I stringly disagree.
And even if it is artificial, it's certainly not blatant. >>
Sorry, but I "stringly" think it is blatantly AT'd. Although if you think there are levels of blatant, then maybe we can agree.
I don't think it is "sledgehammer to the face" blatant like this one:
but more like a open hand slap to the noggin maybe.
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<< <i>PS: plus i think the coin is blatantly AT'd >>
I stringly disagree.
And even if it is artificial, it's certainly not blatant. >>
If so, then please explain to us how a copper nickel coin can tone like that naturally. For me, seeing is believing, and I've never seen it happen.
Maybe this one is minted from a silver planchet.
......then again, maybe it's not.
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<< <i>$126.50 with a little over 2 days to go. P.T. Barnum was right. >>
he paid $600 on teletrade for it, so he will have to find an even bigger sucker to come along to make even a slight profit.
How would that be known?"
Yelloweye evidently has insider information about adding 'intent' grades to entombed toned coins..."not blatant" falls right between the intent grades of "oops, got kinda hot" and "sorta_blatant"
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<< <i>he paid $600 on teletrade for it, so he will have to find an even bigger sucker to come along to make even a slight profit. >>
Hey, I've lost money from a purchase I made on Teletrade too, so I'm not going to laugh.
If it's not on a Churchill crown (valued at about $2 in BU), then I wouldn't laugh at you either.
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so it looks like in less than one year, someone's 'shake and bake' AT'd mess has fetched a combined $1000, counting the Teletrade and now the completed eBay auction.
nothing like rewarding the coin doctors for their work I guess
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<< <i>I just want to know which one of you coin nerds bought it? >>
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I think, when you consider it's the highest graded, and it's sort of a modern, that's not out of sight. I know we all say it's a 2 dollar coin, but that's because we don't have any graded 65.
But it does make you a coin nerd if you bought it.
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But, if anyone is interested, I can sell them a PCGS MS65 example that isn't ATed at that closing price.
BTW, my wife calls me a coin geek, not nerd.
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That makes it SOOOO much better!
Now I don't feel so back for paying 20 cents for an AU example out of a junk box.
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