Old Holed Coin/Token? Identity crisis any help appreciated

twister2 · January 2, 2009 3:18AM

Hello all

This has been kicking around my darkside stuff for some time. Any idea as to what it might be ( I got the Kennedy figured out - LOL)? Thanks for your time - Mike.

ASUtodd · January 2, 2009 3:22AM

From limited exposure to world coins I do know that the Double headed Eagle was used a lot on Russian coins.... HOWEVER, the Double headed Eagle was also used by the Holy Roman Empire and the Byzantine Empire. In doing some more research I found the following:

The two-headed eagle appears on the coat of arms of the following countries and territories:
Albania (see Coat of arms of Albania)
Armenia (see Coat of arms of Armenia)
Austria-Hungary (historical)
Austria (1934-1938) (see Coat of arms of Austria)
Byzantine Empire (historical)
German Confederation (historical)
Holy Roman Empire (historical)
Montenegro (see Coat of arms of Montenegro)
Republika Srpska (formerly used from 1992 until 2007) in Bosnia and Herzegovina
Russian Federation (see Coat of arms of Russia)
Russian Empire (historical)
Seljuk Empire (historical)
Serbia and Montenegro (historical)
Serbia (see Coat of arms of Serbia)
Kingdom of Yugoslavia (historical)
Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes (historical)

Hope this helps some!
Todd

ASUtodd · January 2, 2009 3:23AM

I think I found it... 1792 Russian 5 Kopeks... Check out some pics here..

Todd

twister2 · January 2, 2009 3:31AM

twister2 · January 2, 2009 3:33AM

Todd,

Thank you , I believe you nailed it - amazing how fast you did that. I appreciate it.

Mike

SaorAlba · January 2, 2009 7:44AM

The coin was minted in Kolyvan mint, which is now in Central Russia, north of Kazakhstan. This mint was much more prolific after new equipment was brought in from the west in 1782 to refine the copper, then standard Russian coins were issued. Previously Siberian coins had been issued, because the copper could not be refined pure enough with the limited technology, and it assayed with trace amounts of gold and silver. As a result, the Siberian coins were made smaller to make up for the difference in value of the metal, so that they would not be overvalued.

The late 18th century Kolyvan or KM mint coins, are the most common of all mints from Russia.

twister2 · January 2, 2009 8:54PM

SaorAlba,

I thought that this coin was mint marked EM for Ekaterinburg not KM as you refer? If the E and M below the shield are in fact the mint marks. I did find it to be a very common piece.

I appreciate your input - I'm just trying to figure out how to tell the difference KM vs EM. I believe I saw marks like MM and CM also when researching and was assuming mm like US coinage

ASUtodd · January 2, 2009 10:27PM

I was told that was the Mint mark. I have seen several others with KM on them also..... any further information would be appreciated!
Todd

Hyperion · January 2, 2009 10:45PM

spectacular holey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lordmarcovan · January 7, 2009 7:24AM

That is indeed a spectacular holey. I have a big Russian copper on my Holey Coin Vest, but it is later, from the early 19th century.

Very cool. Not worth a lot of money, but very cool nonetheless.

lordmarcovan · January 7, 2009 7:26AM

<< <i>I thought that this coin was mint marked EM for Ekaterinburg >>

You thought correctly, at least to my understanding. The EM should be for Ekaterinburg, unless I am much mistaken.

twister2 · January 8, 2009 8:02AM

I do seem to like this darn holey. I'm glad it was meet with at least some approval. I was beginning to think I was the only one who could like it

Thanks again - Mike

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2009 8:08AM

Oh, no. It's perfectly loveable, to the right person.

Why, if that had the hole in a better position (at 12:00), I'd have gladly swapped you something unholed for it.

Keep it and enjoy it.

FilthyBroke · January 8, 2009 8:16AM

...almost looks like a bullet hole. At least from the eagle side.

twister2 · January 8, 2009 8:44AM

I would agree that it looks a bit like a bullet hole.

Don't worry Holey of the Holey's - I will keep it - somebody has to.

lordmarcovan · January 8, 2009 9:53AM

Nope. Not a bullet hole. Just a drill hole.

Bullets were much bigger then- remember, you're talkin' musketballs, many of them as big as .75 caliber. And even if it were shot with a smaller-caliber modern bullet, there would be bending and distortion around the hole, usually. That's too tidy for a bullet hole.

Take it from me. Holes in coins is one thing I'm an expert on. We all gotta have something, right?

SaorAlba · January 8, 2009 9:57AM

<< <i>SaorAlba,

I thought that this coin was mint marked EM for Ekaterinburg not KM as you refer? If the E and M below the shield are in fact the mint marks. I did find it to be a very common piece.

I appreciate your input - I'm just trying to figure out how to tell the difference KM vs EM. I believe I saw marks like MM and CM also when researching and was assuming mm like US coinage

>>

My bad, I missed the EM - Ekaterinburg. MM - Moskva, Moscow, CM - Sestores'k etc.

Old Holed Coin/Token? Identity crisis any help appreciated

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