What constitutes Low Pop. on '65 Topps?
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I just bought a Nearmint '65 Topps set and I'm tryinig to decide which cards to send in. What would constitute low pop. for this set? I'm only gonna send in the ones that are pretty much gauranteed to get 7,8, or 9. Does anyone know which cards are especially tough or sell for a premium out of this set?
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Ralph
I'm basically wanting to know which cards, stars and commons, are worth getting graded. Each set has its own tougher or short print cards but I'm not as familiar with the '65 set as I am with some of the other sets.
Another way to see which ones are low pop (If you don't sign up for PSAs Pop Report) is to go to the '65 sets on The Registry and look at certain sets and see how many cards are graded higher. It's not going to give you the values but it will help you gather info to see which ones are low pop.
HOWEVER, you can sign up for the Pop Report for one month for $3.95 (I think) and gather all the info you need for that set. I'm sure it will be well worth it! That's what I did when I was selling my '68 100% PSA graded set.
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Doug
Doug
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I guess I was sending my prior reply the same time you were writing your last message. Sorry, I am not very familiar with that set. I', sure you will get your answers from SOMEONE on this board.
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Doug
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
Yes it is.
Steve
<< <i>Card #14 Len Grabrielson has had 32 graded in 8 and only 1 graded 9, is this low pop?
Yes it is.
Steve >>
thanks Steve. Are you familiar with the '65 set? Do you know of any really tough cards? I got the set finally and it is overall in great condition. I would say that over half of the cards are NearMint or better with probably one fifth that would grade 8 or better.
Chris
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Chris
My small collection
Want List:
'61 Topps Roy Campanella in PSA 5-7
Cardinal T206 cards
Adam Wainwright GU Jersey
<< <i>Try here.
Chris >>
thanks Chris, quite helpful.
Typical might be-
An average card in the 65 set has 55 8s, 10 9s and 1 10.
Finally rank the cards in order based on rarity (total cards graded 8-10).
This anaysis will answer most of your questions on rarity. You can see if a card has lower or higher high grades for the submission rate and you can see how it ranks in pure total amounts versus other cards in the set. Excel has helpful little data filters to make this step easy.
I also use the percentage of cards graded 8-10 to help correct for submission amount differences. I also use t-tests or differences from the the mean to help correct for submission differences. Normally the lower the submission amount of 60s sets the higher grade concentration you will find, but once you get closer to the average number submitted the grades tend to look more normal, if not you might have a truly hard to find in high grade card. To use this analysis you need to know what the normal grade distribution looks like and what makes an outlier but you can ususally eyeball it but when investing thousands on 1 "low pop" card I would rather do my homework.
I would like to end by saying the 61 Joe Gibbon isn't that rare so someone please sell one to me for $150
<< <i>how about some scans of the cards your considering sending in? >>
I'll get some scans tomorrow when I get back to my office. The stars Im gonna send in include the Morgan Rookie, Clemente, Maris, Kaline, Banks, and Niekro Rookie among others. The Mantle has a slight printing defect but other than that its NM-NM/MT.
Ron
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<< <i>Let's see the Carty and Gabrielson.
Ron >>
Already have them in the mail. The Carty is well centered with sharp corners. The Gabrielson doesnt have quite as good centering but corners are sharp.
The Yaz looks like a really nice example.
Steve
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Thursday March 14, 2002 11:04 AM
Since I'm doing the 65 set in PSA 8 the hardest card for me is #46 bob lee because it doesn't exist.
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Steve
worked on it till 2005.
From memory, the tougher ones were C. Smith, Lee (as stated), both Blasingames, Fairly, Carty, A. Johnson.
It seemed the low # series was a bit tougher then in high grade then the high #'s
Had fun w/ the set, might give it a whirl again in the future.
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<< <i>I hope they all come back graded high - but on the key cards, sorry to say I don't see any straight 8's there - hope I'm wrong. Good luck! >>
the Kaline and Maris have to be 8's at least. I have a ton of 8's that don't look anywhere near that good. I also think the Morgan Rookie, Yaz, and a few others could be 8's. Also, the Stengal and Tiant Rookie could be 8's and the Niekro Rookie is an absolute blazer. I think it might be an 8 or 8.5. The Yankees Team, Dodgers Team, and Cepeda have possibilities too.
and for 10.00 per he got a slew of Hall of famers, a bunch of rookie cards and possibly some low pop 8's.
If that Maris pulls a 9 that is a 700.00 card right there, the Mantle is a 200.00 card the way it sits raw.
Will he make a bundle on this set? No, he will though have fun and in the process make a lil dough.
The key is to get at least one or two home runs. (cards that grade a 9 that sell for moon money or 8's that do the same)
One thing about this set 9's are not that hard to find, plenty of that product exists too.
If he was to have the entire set graded IMO it would grade out at 6.75-7.25 That has been my experience anyway
when buying sets like that off ebay. I could be wrong, but then again I have to pose a contrary opinion to Stevek
whenever I can.
Steve
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<< <i>I hope they all come back graded high - but on the key cards, sorry to say I don't see any straight 8's there - hope I'm wrong. Good luck! >>
the Kaline and Maris have to be 8's at least. I have a ton of 8's that don't look anywhere near that good. I also think the Morgan Rookie, Yaz, and a few others could be 8's. Also, the Stengal and Tiant Rookie could be 8's and the Niekro Rookie is an absolute blazer. I think it might be an 8 or 8.5. >>
So tough sometimes to tell corners on scans. If there's "fraying" at the four corners, they're gonna be 7's at best which is typical of well stored "shoebox" cards. If the corners are wear free, you've got a nice shot at some valuable winners there, and of course nothing wrong at all with 1965 Topps PSA 7's - I didn't look at the scans real long but to me only the Rose is I think a definite 6, and of course you can see the obvious OC cards. Very nice cards in any event.
RB
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Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>He spent all of 4.00 per card (actually less then that) Add in the 6.00 or so bucks per card to grade
and for 10.00 per he got a slew of Hall of famers, a bunch of rookie cards and possibly some low pop 8's.
If that Maris pulls a 9 that is a 700.00 card right there, the Mantle is a 200.00 card the way it sits raw.
Will he make a bundle on this set? No, he will though have fun and in the process make a lil dough.
The key is to get at least one or two home runs. (cards that grade a 9 that sell for moon money or 8's that do the same)
One thing about this set 9's are not that hard to find, plenty of that product exists too.
If he was to have the entire set graded IMO it would grade out at 6.75-7.25 That has been my experience anyway
when buying sets like that off ebay. I could be wrong, but then again I have to pose a contrary opinion to Stevek
whenever I can.
Steve >>
Not disagreeing with basically anything you said there Steve - and I know you stated you once owned a high grade 1965 set so I would consider you a bit of an expert on that set.
I as well have owned, bought and sold, and still own many, many 1965 Topps baseball cards - one of my favorite years of Topps.
Hope the OP posts the PSA card scans when they arrive and gets some nice 8's and 9's there, and do I dare say some 10's? That would be great.
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<< <i>He spent all of 4.00 per card (actually less then that) Add in the 6.00 or so bucks per card to grade
and for 10.00 per he got a slew of Hall of famers, a bunch of rookie cards and possibly some low pop 8's.
If that Maris pulls a 9 that is a 700.00 card right there, the Mantle is a 200.00 card the way it sits raw.
Will he make a bundle on this set? No, he will though have fun and in the process make a lil dough.
The key is to get at least one or two home runs. (cards that grade a 9 that sell for moon money or 8's that do the same)
One thing about this set 9's are not that hard to find, plenty of that product exists too.
If he was to have the entire set graded IMO it would grade out at 6.75-7.25 That has been my experience anyway
when buying sets like that off ebay. I could be wrong, but then again I have to pose a contrary opinion to Stevek
whenever I can.
Steve >>
Not disagreeing with basically anything you said there Steve - and I know you stated you once owned a high grade 1965 set so I would consider you a bit of an expert on that set.
I as well have owned, bought and sold, and still own many, many 1965 Topps baseball cards - one of my favorite years of Topps.
Hope the OP posts the PSA card scans when they arrive and gets some nice 8's and 9's there, and do I dare say some 10's? That would be great. >>
Im certainly not holding my breath for any 10's as I have never had a vintage 10. Im also not expecting any 9's although that would be great. I basically have $2550 in the set now and have 60 off to PSA. I don't think Im gonna lose any money even if I don't hit any home runs but if I hit a few then I should do pretty well. Also, do any of you know lsutigers/Bill Holler personally? I'm putting a lot of faith in him as is everyone else with this group bulk sub.
Or is it set up where PSA returns the cards to each person? Sorry but I did not stay abreast of that thread.
Steve
Shirt that is a first.
Steve
Keep us informed on how these cards grade.
Good luck!
Steve