Submission question
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I submitted a card at the Sun Times Show last week and today when I logged in to submission status (for the first time), I saw this...
Order #20252547 / Submission #4757648
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type Country
1 1 15569869 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1954 TOPPS 128 HENRY AARON Card US
Total Items: 1
Date Received: 11/25/2008
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
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Order # Submission # Date Received Date Shipped Status Shared?
20252547 4757648 11/25/2008 12/2/2008 OK Shared
Please tell me MG just means that I had specified a minimum grade on the submission, not that it failed to meet my mimimum. I'm not a PSA member if that means anything.
Order #20252547 / Submission #4757648
Line # Item # Cert # Grade Description Type Country
1 1 15569869 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1954 TOPPS 128 HENRY AARON Card US
Total Items: 1
Date Received: 11/25/2008
Date Shipped: N/A
Order Status: OK
Your Orders
Find Submission Number:
Order # Submission # Date Received Date Shipped Status Shared?
20252547 4757648 11/25/2008 12/2/2008 OK Shared
Please tell me MG just means that I had specified a minimum grade on the submission, not that it failed to meet my mimimum. I'm not a PSA member if that means anything.
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<< <i>It's not graded until you get an email and the status is listed as shipped >>
Thanks, cause there is no way this card is a 4.5.
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1 1 15569869 MG: MINIMUM GRADE 1954 TOPPS 128 HENRY AARON Card US
Then your card did not meet the minimum grade you requested.
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<< <i>.........Will I at least get some critique for my $35 grading fee? >>
If sent in as a review while already in a PSA holder, maybe. If sent in raw, no.
Was this card in another company slab?
Steve
My eyesight may not be what it once was, but this looks as good as any of the 5s on Ebay. Maybe I should have popped it out of its Beckett slab first?
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no either they say slight fold in the surface or trim job
my 2cents
thats a shady 4.5
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I think you should get a explanation for the price. They used to on review put a sticky with the explanation but thats after the card is in a psa holder.
Miscut could also be a reason though it doesnt appear that way.
My bet is if you dont see a slight fold when tilting they say trimmed.
Top left looks odd but Ive seen worse.
Dunno seem to look ok.
I used to own a 54 kaline and aaron that looked nm but had the slight fold on each both were graded 4. A wrinkle should be a 5 though not always the case.
With that centering it is at best a PSA 5
So them thinking it is a 4 is not at all out of the realm.
Why would anyone submit a card raw and expect a MG? Wouldn't they
want to know what the third party thinks? Isn't that the whole point of grading?
The only way I would use MG is if I was submitting a crossover.
Of course I could be missing something here too.
Was it cracked out of another slab? GAI maybe??
Steve
I think they are simply saying it will not meet the minimum grade the submitter wanted.
Steve
"My eyesight may not be what it once was, but this looks as good as any of the 5s on Ebay. Maybe I should have popped it out of its Beckett slab first?"
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With that centering it is at best a PSA 5
So them thinking it is a 4 is not at all out of the realm.
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I didn't think mine's that far off this one
Or this one
Or this one
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Instead of comparing your card to other cards on the internet maybe
it would have been better to just have them grade it? If you disagreed
you could always crack it out of the slab. Now all you have to show for your 35.00
is, well nothing.
Until you get the card back in your hand trying to compare it to cards off
the internet is fruitless.
Cards graded 4, 5, 6 can have such minute differences that is is almost impossible to discern from a computer screen.
Especially those that are 'net graded' like the last batch of 6's were. Also standards have changed over the years and
you also must realize that this is not an exact science.
Cheer up at least we know that your card was not trimmed.
By the way you never did answer my question, why did you even ask for a min grade?
And was this a GAI crackout?
Steve
I'm not getting uptight at all, I just don't see what all the hub bub is over 1 point in grade.
He thinks it was a 5 and they don't.
It is like we are splitting hairs here, I could see if he thought he sent in a PSA 8 worthy card and he got
a 4 or something like that.
What some people don't understand is that you have technical grade and net grading too.
Not all cards fit into a specific grade, they can appear to be 8's and get a 2.
Steve
"My eyesight may not be what it once was, but this looks as good as any of the 5s on Ebay. Maybe I should have popped it out of its Beckett slab first? "
<< <i>Welcome to the world of grading.
Instead of comparing your card to other cards on the internet maybe
it would have been better to just have them grade it? If you disagreed
you could always crack it out of the slab. Now all you have to show for your 35.00
is, well nothing.
Until you get the card back in your hand trying to compare it to cards off
the internet is fruitless.
Cards graded 4, 5, 6 can have such minute differences that is is almost impossible to discern from a computer screen.
Especially those that are 'net graded' like the last batch of 6's were. Also standards have changed over the years and
you also must realize that this is not an exact science.
Cheer up at least we know that your card was not trimmed.
By the way you never did answer my question, why did you even ask for a min grade?
And was this a GAI crackout?
Steve >>
Nope I bought it the Beckett holder. And I don't have a really good reason for asking for a minimum. I guess I'd just rather have it the Beckett 5 holder than a PSA 4. And wasn't that 4.5 a new grade?
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Nick, thanks I see that now. Well that answers everything! They can't guarantee that the card would meet the minimum while it was in the slab.
Cracked out and sent in raw your card gets the 5 it deserves. Unless of course it has been trimmed.
So YES you should have cracked it and submitted it raw.
Steve
Your card would prolly grade a PSA 5 if sent in raw. having them try to grade a card through the slab is
difficult. They will err on the side of caution every time. Sorry I missed where you answered the question earlier.
They can't see the whole card, MG in crossovers is a crapshoot at best.
If it was me, when I get it back, crack it and re submit it. The card is what it is, I really don't see the big deal
between Beckett 5 and PSA 4 or PSA 4.5 etc.
When I first saw the card I thought PSA 5 all day.
Steve
last 3 Auctions: PSA 5
10/15/08 eBay Auction $609.00
8/17/08 eBay Auction $670.00
8/3/08 eBay Auction $722.00
last 3 Auctions SGC60
11/17/08 eBay Listing $859.00
6/5/08 eBay Auction $632.00
1/14/08 eBay $635.04
Last 3 Beckett Auctions:
4/23/08 eBay $631.87
1/19/08 eBay $511.00
11/5/07 eBay $570.00
I have always cracked and started over, it is afterall PSA's opinion that I wanted.
Steve
last 3 Auctions: PSA 5
10/15/08 eBay Auction $609.00
8/17/08 eBay Auction $670.00
8/3/08 eBay Auction $722.00
last 3 Auctions SGC60
11/17/08 eBay Listing $859.00
6/5/08 eBay Auction $632.00
1/14/08 eBay $635.04
Last 3 Beckett Auctions:
4/23/08 eBay $631.87
1/19/08 eBay $511.00
11/5/07 eBay $570.00
So what does that tell you? Tells me that the SGC card that sold for 859.00 must have been Hi end for the grade? While the Beckett that sold for 511.00 was low end?
It could also be the scans that the sellers used was great and shoddy at times? Many variables that VCP does not address. Or do they?
Steve
Jeez, glad you all got that straight
Steve
If someone puts up a Beckett 5 that is well centered it will get the price it deserves.
The lil bit info tells me , basically nothing.
It surely does not tell me that SGC mid graded 1954 Aarons out sell Beckett or PSA.
It only tells me that those 3 did.
Steve
Furthermore I will read into it what I want. And have.
I don't think it is as obvious as you make it out to be.
Especially when you show 9 sales.
And even if the averages are for 12 months too many variables are missing to make an educated guess
as to what holder will sell a certain card better.
Obvious? Hardly
Steve
<< <i>Then don't say something is 'obvious' when you don't show all your so called proof.
Furthermore I will read into it what I want. And have.
I don't think it is as obvious as you make it out to be.
Especially when you show 9 sales.
And even if the averages are for 12 months too many variables are missing to make an educated guess
as to what holder will sell a certain card better.
Obvious? Hardly
Steve >>
You have read what you want, I have posted all I want, If you want more info go find it yourself. I get my info for buying at VCP, you do your own thing, congrats.
I'm not.
Steve
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<< <i>Guys don't mind fattymacs he gets uptight rather easy. >>
At least he speaks his mind in one post and doesn't reply to himself.
i do
i can say johnny two times- two times too
At least he speaks his mind in one post and doesn't reply to himself.
Yeah, and at least he has not yet started a contest, accused the winner of cheating and then
not sent anything claiming the PO 'lost it' <eyeroll>
Steve