Real or no real?

Texoma · October 15, 2008 4:08AM

Thanks for your opinion!

Texoma · October 15, 2008 4:10AM

here's an original

BobS · October 15, 2008 4:43AM

Your first scan is REAL fuzzy. Did I win yet?

WinPitcher · October 15, 2008 4:46AM

Tex from the scan you supplied no one could give you an answer.

Well maybe some could.

Steve

rube26105 · October 15, 2008 4:55AM

wheres the close up of the one with the conner damage?

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2008 5:02AM

From what I can see, I would guess (and with the scans it is almost guess) it is not real. The card looks very clean, but yet has heavy wear...or at least one of the corners...others are sharp, edges also do not look straight. Looks like someone tried to add age to it.

Edit to add: If those are scans provided by the seller, in auction or not, that would be another red flag.

Texoma · October 15, 2008 6:01AM

sorry this is only scan available...

I probably got singed...ouch!

jimq112 · October 15, 2008 7:32AM

I'm with Mark - how could the top corners be so sharp and yet the lower right corner be so rounded?

Even worse, the seller listed it as a reprint

the good news is, only a $76 lesson!

larryallen73 · October 15, 2008 7:57AM

I thought this was going to be another RACK thread with PHOTOS. Darn it!

Texoma · October 15, 2008 8:00AM

<< I'm with Mark - how could the top corners be so sharp and yet the lower right corner be so rounded?

Even worse, the seller listed it as a reprint

the good news is, only a $76 lesson! >>

I've never seen a reprint like it so I took a chance! (Betcha I'll know within about 20 seconds after it arrives)!

WinPitcher · October 15, 2008 8:15AM

OMG Tex did you read the gobbeldgook this mutt wrote in that auction?

Steve

Texoma · October 15, 2008 8:27AM

<< OMG Tex did you read the gobbeldgook this mutt wrote in that auction?

Steve >>

Tried to!

Seriously--all I went by were the scans. It's just that I've never seen a '53 reprint that looked remotely close to an original let alone a perfect facsimile.

larryallen73 · October 15, 2008 8:32AM

Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart.

WinPitcher · October 15, 2008 8:42AM

He usually refunds but for this auction he won't.

he has been collecting for 20 years, picks out the best cards etc, yet he has no idea if this card is real so
he will sell it as a reprint.

Steve

Texoma · October 15, 2008 8:46AM

<< Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart. >>

May very well be--probably is counterfeit. However usually with counterfeit currency or cards there's a dead giveaway that can be spotted by experts. And other examples out there to compare with. SO--other than 3 good corners and one bad (Lower right)--what makes you 99.9 percent certain that it's fake?

Brick · October 15, 2008 8:47AM

The gentleman selling this card claims to have 20 years experience dealing with cards. However he has no idea if it is real. I would say this is malarkey. If he thought there was one chance in a hundred or a thousand for that matter he would have had it authenticated.

Texoma · October 15, 2008 8:49AM

<< 

<< Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart. >>

May very well be--probably is counterfeit. However usually with counterfeit currency or cards there's a dead giveaway that can be spotted by experts. And other examples out there to compare with. SO--other than 3 good corners and one bad (Lower right)--what makes you 99.9 percent certain that it's fake? >>

'91 reprint

Texoma · October 15, 2008 8:53AM

'96 reprint

MeteoriteGuy · October 15, 2008 8:54AM

<< 

<< Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart. >>

May very well be--probably is counterfeit. However usually with counterfeit currency or cards there's a dead giveaway that can be spotted by experts. And other examples out there to compare with. SO--other than 3 good corners and one bad (Lower right)--what makes you 99.9 percent certain that it's fake? >>

Lots of red flags, feedback, he basically said it was reprint, besides my previous comments..all equals a dead giveaway, and I would just call myself a semi-expert. You live and learn but I have no question after seeing the auction it is a reprint.

Also, how often do you see private feedback bidders? It was likely shilled as well.

Texoma · October 15, 2008 9:18AM

Real deal

??

jimq112 · October 15, 2008 9:28AM

<< 

<< Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart. >>

May very well be--probably is counterfeit. However usually with counterfeit currency or cards there's a dead giveaway that can be spotted by experts. And other examples out there to compare with. SO--other than 3 good corners and one bad (Lower right)--what makes you 99.9 percent certain that it's fake? >>

Rounded corners are either worn out from handling or they are fake. There's no way to wear out one corner by legitimate wear, and yet the other corners stay sharp. One corner can get nicked or dinged, especially when flipping or tossing cards like people did back in 1953.

Here's my 53. The corner wear is pretty close to even on all 4 corners.

You might have a paypal claim if you can show that it's a counterfeit as opposed to a reprint. It's semantics but it might work. A self-proclaimed expert listed it as a 1953 card. It's not one of the topps-issued reprints, maybe you have a case.

Here's a page from my counterfeit spotter book, it isn't the same as your card but does show that there are known fakes.

If I can help at all with large scans of mine to compare with yours when it arrives, PM me and I'll send what you need -

jim

Texoma · October 15, 2008 10:21AM

<< 

<< 

<< Seriously? You bought the card after seeing that auction? WOW! That's just not smart. The odds are 99 to 1 that it is fake. It's just not worth the risk. Make that 99.9 to .1. Not smart. >>

May very well be--probably is counterfeit. However usually with counterfeit currency or cards there's a dead giveaway that can be spotted by experts. And other examples out there to compare with. SO--other than 3 good corners and one bad (Lower right)--what makes you 99.9 percent certain that it's fake? >>

Rounded corners are either worn out from handling or they are fake. There's no way to wear out one corner by legitimate wear, and yet the other corners stay sharp. One corner can get nicked or dinged, especially when flipping or tossing cards like people did back in 1953.

Here's my 53. The corner wear is pretty close to even on all 4 corners.

You might have a paypal claim if you can show that it's a counterfeit as opposed to a reprint. It's semantics but it might work. A self-proclaimed expert listed it as a 1953 card. It's not one of the topps-issued reprints, maybe you have a case.

Here's a page from my counterfeit spotter book, it isn't the same as your card but does show that there are known fakes.

If I can help at all with large scans of mine to compare with yours when it arrives, PM me and I'll send what you need -

jim >>

Thanks Jim! I will definitely keep that in mind. Very nice card you have there--on a scale of 1 to 100 what percent would you say of mine being a fake?

Real or no real?

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