Ebay Private Listing Auctions
hockeyguy
Posts: 312
Since Ebay is now hiding the users ID's, what reason would a seller have to continue listing private auctions ?
I'm looking at bidding on a card tonight, but in 9 years on Ebay, I've never ever bid on this type of an auction. I've understood in past, as to why some sellers would do it, but NOW ?
This seller could be honest, and the feedbacks are good, but that doesnt mean he hasnt been placing bids on his own sales.
Just curious if there is a good reason.
I'm looking at bidding on a card tonight, but in 9 years on Ebay, I've never ever bid on this type of an auction. I've understood in past, as to why some sellers would do it, but NOW ?
This seller could be honest, and the feedbacks are good, but that doesnt mean he hasnt been placing bids on his own sales.
Just curious if there is a good reason.
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Many buyers do not want folks to know what they bought.
Never again.
Steve
<< <i>The only private auction I ever bid on I was shilled.
Never again.
Steve >>
how did you find out ?
<< <i>Many sellers do not want folks contacting their winning bidders. >>
Exactly! And to elaborate on that, scammers do not want people like us contacting their winning bidders to notify them of the scam. On a regular auction, the winning bidder's name is revealed after the auction. In a private auction, nobody knows who the winning bidder is.
Oh well, Paypal will cover me on this one
Of course I realized it afterward.
Steve
I loathe cheating scumbag shill-infested sellers as much as the next guy,
but if you set your limit and win, why does it matter as long as everything else meshes.
If the seller's feedback rating is 89%, I could see not bidding, but you mention that it looks good, so..?
I'm sure I've probably won cards that have been shilled, but the bottom line is that
I got what I wanted.
JMHO,
PoppaJ
<< <i>Many buyers especially this time of year prefer to bid on items that are private. There are also many experienced Ebayers who will create new IDs to bid on items. Both are for Christmas purchases. >>
Ummm, i was bidding on a card ... not in the mature section ;-)
Poppa I did not mention anything about feedback and as far as I'm concerned if i paid 1.00 more then I should have
it was 1.00 too much.
Steve
<< <i>If the seller's feedback rating is 89%, I could see not bidding, but you mention that it looks good, so..?
Poppa I did not mention anything about feedback and as far as I'm concerned if i paid 1.00 more then I should have
it was 1.00 too much.
Steve >>
Steve,
my sincere apology, my reply was supposed to be for Hockeyguy.
PoppaJ
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It matters because the winner was CHEATED by a CROOK.
Sellers who use auctions - especially these days - assume a
certian amount of risk; that should be accepted and lived with
by such sellers.
CROOKED sellers constantly claim, "no reserve auction." In fact,
no reserve is needed if a reliable SHILL is on the job.
Honest sellers have the means to protect their items from low-prices.
They can use the "reserve" feature, OR they can raise their starting
prices.
Bad conduct - shilling - has run-off LOTS of buyers from EBAY. Honest
sellers have been harmed by the exodus, AND by the draconian and
goofey rules that EBAY has instituted in the name of "making EBAY
safe again."
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<< <i>Many buyers especially this time of year prefer to bid on items that are private. There are also many experienced Ebayers who will create new IDs to bid on items. Both are for Christmas purchases. >>
Ummm, i was bidding on a card ... not in the mature section ;-) >>
What I was saying is this time of year I have had buyers email me and tell me they will do a BIN on items, but only if I make it to where bidders IDs are private because they don't want nosey people seeing what they are buying.
<< <i>"...but if you set your limit and win, why does it matter as long as everything else meshes..."
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It matters because the winner was CHEATED by a CROOK.
Sellers who use auctions - especially these days - assume a
certian amount of risk; that should be accepted and lived with
by such sellers.
CROOKED sellers constantly claim, "no reserve auction." In fact,
no reserve is needed if a reliable SHILL is on the job.
Honest sellers have the means to protect their items from low-prices.
They can use the "reserve" feature, OR they can raise their starting
prices.
Bad conduct - shilling - has run-off LOTS of buyers from EBAY. Honest
sellers have been harmed by the exodus, AND by the draconian and
goofey rules that EBAY has instituted in the name of "making EBAY
safe again." >>
I didn't say it was right, as in ... ("I loathe cheating scumbag shill-infested sellers as much as the next guy")
I was referring to the monetary part of it ... (as long as you were willing to pay a certain price, why should it matter financially!)
Everyone knows why shilling is wrong and what effects it has!
PoppaJ
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Because the buyer was cheated into paying more for an item that he
would have been able to buy for less if the seller was not a crook.
A buyer's max-bid is NOT an invitation to rip him.
<< <i>"...... (as long as you were willing to pay a certain price, why should it matter financially!)..."
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Because the buyer was cheated into paying more for an item that he
would have been able to buy for less if the seller was not a crook.
A buyer's max-bid is NOT an invitation to rip him. >>
You're missing my point ....
Discarding all the negatives, my point is that as long as you're paying what you
are willing to fork out whether or not there's a shill, what difference does it make.
No need to explain that the crook made you pay an extra dollar or whatever;
I'm just referring to the financial aspect of it .... you're not paying more than what you
were willing to pay if you set your max.
If you don't understand this ... just let it go
Again, everyone understands and knows why shilling is bad and no one wants to be
shilled, but if you want a card and it gets shilled to the max you were willing to spend, who cares?
Here's my original statement: "I loathe cheating scumbag shill-infested sellers as much as the next guy".
JMO, no need to keep saying that shilling is bad ... it's a given.
PoppaJ
I have no problem. However if I see some run of the mill slime ball doing it I'm out.
In my case I was new to ebay and you guys know what all that means.
Steve
are willing to fork out whether or not there's a shill, what difference does it make.
Pop, as long as it is my minimum then I agree with you. If it a max bid then I do not.
on second thought any shill bid is wrong.
Steve
Ebay keeping their private auctions, which most times designates a scam to some degree, except in certain situations as noted, is just another mistake in the long list of mistakes that ebay has made and continues to make.
I did call Ebay to have the auction looked at, and she said nothing looked odd, so I went ahead and sent my Paypal payment
Thanks for the input
<< <i>Discarding all the negatives, my point is that as long as you're paying what you
are willing to fork out whether or not there's a shill, what difference does it make.
Pop, as long as it is my minimum then I agree with you. If it a max bid then I do not.
on second thought any shill bid is wrong.
Steve >>
Steve,
thank you
that's all I was trying to imply ... glad you understand!
and yes, I believe that ALL shill bids are wrong.
PoppaJ
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I did call Ebay to have the auction looked at, and she said nothing looked odd, so I went ahead and sent my Paypal payment >>
I would not consider this a "clean bill of health" on the auction. You were more than likely speaking to someone making a bit over minimum wage with no knowledge on anything regarding close to what looks conspicuous.
Hope its legit though
<< <i>...And if ebay is afraid of spammers/scammers contacting the buyers...then they could easily make software change such as only members with say 500 feedback, can contact a member who just bought something. >>
There are many dormant accounts out there with that many feedback already. No telling how many have been hijacked already. One scammer who was arrested for hijacking accounts a couple of years ago said he personally had access to over 100 accounts he never even bothered using.
Ebay will not tell you if anything is odd about an auction or not. At the most they probaly pulled up the screen saw you were the winner and told you what you wanted to hear.
<< <i>I would not consider this a "clean bill of health" on the auction. You were more than likely speaking to someone making a bit over minimum wage with no knowledge on anything regarding close to what looks conspicuous.
Hope its legit though >>
you are quite right, but i just wanted to know that it wasnt something very obvious
its a very nice card, so $300 ... $375 ... not a huge difference
this was my first and only private auction that i've bid on in 9 years on ebay
and i hope i dont have to do it again