Has a low-level submitter ever broken down the PSA 10 wall on a card?

VitoCo1972 · September 17, 2008 5:44AM

Here's the situation. There are a number of pre 1975 cards out there with 0 Pop 10's. Now, recently I've seen some of these barriers broken down by larger volume guys. But has a guy that submits under 50 cards/year from this board ever received a 10 on a pop 0 card from pre-1975? I'd love to hear personal experience. Here's the reason I ask, and this is far less about me and my card than the overall question of low-limit guys and their results. I bought this 74 Fisk about a month ago and I've looked at every inch of the front and back with a loupe and aside from the smallest yellow dot on the upper right red outline, I just don't see anything wrong with it. The card is a lower pop 9 as it is with no 10's. Basically I won't even consider resubbing it myself because I get the impression PSA wouldn't do a 10 on it just because I submit 20 cards/year or so. What has been your experience? Am I crazy? For reference, here is the card that I was curious about:

hockeyguy · September 17, 2008 5:57AM

Well, the card does have a slant to it. I dont know if that is taken into consideration during grading.

As far as your chance of getting a 10 (Low submitters vs. regular joe blow). I think you already know.

CDsNuts · September 17, 2008 6:00AM

Yes, you're crazy. Resub the Fisk.

VitoCo1972 · September 17, 2008 6:03AM

<< <i>Yes, you're crazy. >>

Says the guy yelling "GET HIM A BODYBAG!!! YEAH!!!!"

CDsNuts · September 17, 2008 6:13AM

OK, how about this, I'll submit it for you on my dime and if it comes back a 10 you give me 10% of the sale price.

Leiascards · September 17, 2008 6:14AM

Judging by the slight tilt to it and the t/b centering is a bit off and the couple of what appears to be print maks in the upper left of the card I think 9 is a good grade

rube26105 · September 17, 2008 6:16AM

send it to 4sc or dsl, they'll get a 10 for you,guaranteed

thedutymon · September 17, 2008 6:40AM

Good day,
And if you don't want to do it with Lee, but he has first right of refusal, I'll do the same deal as Lee.
Neil

jrinck · September 17, 2008 6:48AM

<< <i>Good day,
And if you don't want to do it with Lee, but he has first right of refusal, I'll do the same deal as Lee.
Neil >>

But if it comes back an 8, you will give him 100% of the difference between a 9 and an 8 cost?

BobaFett72 · September 17, 2008 6:48AM

VitoCo1972 · September 17, 2008 6:51AM

HA! Look, this is really more about someone telling me they've been able to break down the wall on a card with a personal submission. I remember last week a guy posted 3 raw 62 Topps that were low pop 8's and they were gorgeous - all came back 7's. I just want to hear a positive story.

mtcards · September 17, 2008 7:18AM

Sweep the leg.

You have a problem with that Mr. Lawrence?

No sensei

No mercy

WinPitcher · September 17, 2008 7:24AM

I think Duncan aka packcollector has done that.

Also, and I am not defending them, those guys (DSL and 4SC) seem to know what PSA looks for.

They have submitted so many cards.

Steve

BobaFett72 · September 17, 2008 7:44AM

mikeschmidt · September 17, 2008 7:44AM

PSA has given me many 10s for Pop 0 cards, including a few that might be considered significant [submitter of first 1976 Topps #480 Mike Schmidt that graded PSA 10]

I also have many collecting friends who have received PSA 10s that specifically fit your criteria of pre-1975 with previous Pop 0.

There is absolutely / definitively a "crapshoot" element to the process. I know many have been successful with either resubmissions, and/or cracking out a number of 9s of the same card, resubmitting, and having one of them come back a 10.

And these are not from volume submitters, rather regular collectors like you and I.

M

mtcards · September 17, 2008 7:53AM

I had the first PSA 10 Darren McFadden Topps Rookie Progression rookie card

gameusedhoop · September 17, 2008 7:53AM

Hey Mike, your Fisk has a quite a print line three rows of fans in from the left side of the card, from the top of the photo to the top of the dugout. It may or may not be there on all of them, but if a grader sees it and isn't sure whether or not all of them have it you won't get the 10. If it is common on all 74 Fisk cards then the 10 is possible, you just have to convince PSA that. I think that they are being careful with this issue. If you got that card as a 10 sight unseen then noticed that defect you'd be upset and asking if it was a DSL or 4SC item.

I was a small time submiter in the past, and scored several 10s on pre 75 cards. A 1 of 1, 1971 OPC Henri Richard, a 1 of 1, 1975 Artis Gilmore several 1972 Topps Hockey and some 73 topps hockey. Haven't submitted or renewed my membership since the .5 fiasco, and I won't, as prices have fallen to the point where it is easier to buy them already graded rather than play the resumit half an order game. My last submission was 1971 Topps hockey, 21 cards all 7 and 8, cracked and resubmitted 17 of them and bumped 10 of them up to 8 and 9. That was the final straw for me. I am not paying for the same service 2-3 times to get it right. Paying $6 3 times to get a card that will sell for $10 is just stupid.

VitoCo1972 · September 17, 2008 8:04AM

i just checked other cards on ebay. It's definitely a flaw in the picture itself, not the printing. You had me worried there for a second.

Glad to hear some of you had some success!

CDsNuts · September 17, 2008 8:09AM

But if it comes back an 8, you will give him 100% of the difference between a 9 and an 8 cost?

If it comes back an 8 I will physically eat the card and the slab, and then pay Vito full PSA 9 value. That card is a 10 at least 60% of the time.

gameusedhoop · September 17, 2008 8:37AM

To set the record straight, the 71 OPC Richard was a 1 of 1, but a PSA9, not 10.
Although I have had these:
31223637 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS 325 NEW YORK NETS CHECKLIST
31223648 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS 250 ARTIS GILMORE
12250878 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS 325 NEW YORK NETS CHECKLIST
12250879 GEM MINT 10 1975 TOPPS 325 NEW YORK NETS CHECKLIST
30287640 GEM MINT 10 1972 TOPPS 22 CRAIG CAMERON
30287664 GEM MINT 10 1972 TOPPS 118 BILL MIKKELSON
30287674 GEM MINT 10 1972 TOPPS 153 JUDE DROUIN
as well as many other 1 of 1 pop 9s at the time of grading.

Now you just have to convince PSA that the defect is on all 74 Fisk cards, Then maybe the 10 will happen. They will of course be skeptical.

jeffcbay · September 17, 2008 8:50AM

90427372 GEM MINT 10 2001 UPPER DECK GOLF 1 TIGER WOODS
31106806 GEM MINT 10 1991 TOPPS DESERT SHIELD 280 BRET SABERHAGEN
31106177 GEM MINT 10 1987 DONRUSS 361 BARRY BONDS
31106178 GEM MINT 10 1987 DONRUSS 361 BARRY BONDS
04620758 GEM MINT 10 1989 FLEER 616 BILL RIPKEN FF ERROR
14097800 GEM MINT 10 1994 ULTRA 9 CAL RIPKEN JR.
14097810 GEM MINT 10 2001 STUDIO 3 CAL RIPKEN JR.

Out of only 133 cards I've submitted since 3/18/05, I've had these (7) PSA 10s come back. So yeah, I have a bad eye.

Those two Bonds cards were the only two cards on that sub, and they came from one wax box. I sold them for $100 each back in April 2005. That was a nice experience.

Has a low-level submitter ever broken down the PSA 10 wall on a card?

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