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Does this card look like a PSA 10?

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1989 Donruss BB Tram PSA 10???

Does the Trammell card pictured look like a gem mint card to anyone here? It looks like it has 3 bum corners.
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  • OAKESY25OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
    what the...?????
    none of those cards look like 10's
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    If that card is a PSA 10 then I am the Pope! And I can assure you that I am not the Pope. That is BAD!
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    Before I even clicked on the link, I knew who the seller was. Funny, we have about 2 or 3 threads a month with basically the same title and the seller is always 4SC.
  • PoppaJPoppaJ Posts: 2,818 ✭
    4SC explains it all!

    PoppaJ
  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
    If you sub hundreds of cards a month you get a break once in a while. At least the card was only a 1989 DOunruss
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  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    How is that allowed? That Trammell card is nowhere near a PSA 10 card? Is just due to 4SC doing so much business with PSA? I hate to be the ignorant guy here, but I am just getting back into this hobby after years off, and am looking to not make stupid buying mistakes.
  • billwaltonsbeardbillwaltonsbeard Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭
    Interesting. I have a handful of Nolan Ryans from that set, and about half of them have a rounded corner or two like those do. I have never even considered submitting them.

    But hey! They'll get 10s! Well, if I included them with 4SC's sub they would.
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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭


    << <i>I hate to be the ignorant guy here, but I am just getting back into this hobby after years off, and am looking to not make stupid buying mistakes. >>



    Plain and simple, closely inspect any scan of any card you are considering buying from 4SC. I'm not saying they don't deserve a little extra love from PSA. If I submited 2500 cards a month, I would expect a little break every now then too. But like I said, this has been a common thread topic on here and it is almost always regarding a PSA 10 being sold by them.
  • jhpfunkjhpfunk Posts: 406
    I would agree that 4SC should get a break every once in a while, but not that big of a break.
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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    4 sharp C@#P is not the only high volume dealer out there

    ever wonder how much of this junk is pumped into the hobby everyday?

    this should be like that credit card commercial
    "Whats in YOUR wallet?"

    only it should say
    "Whats in YOUR set registery?"
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    Why should any of the high volume dealers/submitters get a break ?
    Where is the integrity ?
    Go ahead and give them breaks ... YOU are the one ending up with this card

    This is what set registry has done.
    Its flooded the market with JUNK!
    Run out of quality cards to grade?
    Lets start grading commons, and sell them for big bucks!
  • leathtechleathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
    I would like to think this was a mistake on someone's part... I can't see why 4SC would even sub the card looking like that. Maybe the PSA grade dropped the card and felt bad.

    Just another reason to by the card and not the grade... but who cares if you just want it for your registry set.
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  • nightcrawlernightcrawler Posts: 5,110 ✭✭
    I always wonder why low pop high grades from 4SC, don't hit the registry until long after the card has been sold.


    Keeping some cards off the registry until sold, will certainly bring more money at auction.


    Does PSA help them out in that regard also?
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>but who cares if you just want it for your registry set. >>



    WOW!

  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
    This is definitely not a case of buy the card not the holder. The card is worth about $0.25. In that holder it is worth $20? The set registry is a beast. So, I would take 600 cards in similar condition for my 83 Donruss set as long as they are all in PSA 10 holders image
  • billwaltonsbeardbillwaltonsbeard Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭
    The Set Registry was the greatest idea PSA ever had. How many hundreds of thousands of commons have been graded because of it? It's also given a boost to the unopened material market.
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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>It's also given a boost to the unopened material market. >>




    Why bother with expensive unopened material.

    FOUR SHARP NOTHING goes arounds school yards, plucking cards off bike spokes, and has been submitting THOSE for gemmies

    :-)
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    That has to be a bad scan, right? If those corners were rounded, there would be white on them.

    There are a ton of 4SC cards in my set. Not that I love them or anything, but they sure grade the cards I like. They do charge WAY too much for shipping, but that's about the only thing bad I can say about them. Their customer service (in MY experience) is perfect. I really don't think they catch any breaks on grading. You're talking about the integrity of PSA, which I'm sure most of you are about falling out of your chair when you see PSA and integrity in the same sentence, but PSA is supposed to be the most respected grading service in the industry. By talking crap about them, that only makes your own cards worth less.
  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭


    << <i>The Set Registry was the greatest idea PSA ever had. How many hundreds of thousands of commons have been graded because of it? >>



    How friggin true was that statement. I just submitted a 1983 Topps Bill Caudill because there are currently no 10's on the pop report.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    Those Donruss Baseball's Best sets were wrapped tight in cellophane and PSA has always allowed for rounded (crushed actually) corners. Here's one from 1990: Link
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't crack ANY old wax if it wasn't for the Set Registry...
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    that does look suspect to say the least....

    BUT

    4sc, nesports, & those other mega-volume sellers get my business. a giant majority of my raw sets has come from these cats, and a giant majority of the cards have been at very reasonable discounts.

    J
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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Those Donruss Baseball's Best sets were wrapped tight in cellophane and PSA has always allowed for rounded (crushed actually) corners. Here's one from 1990: Link >>



    Now I'm not sure about THAT one... I sent in a McGwire Donruss Rookies once, which is card #1 in a tightly wrapped cello), and I got no love on it. It was the sharpest one I had, and it came back a 6.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    OK, you're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've only opened about 19,000 of these sets and submitted thousands of cards from them. I'm sure your one McGwire card from a completely different set is a more accurate sample size.
  • 1966CUDA1966CUDA Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭✭
    Sure, the high-volume submitters should get a break on price...but not on grading stardards. The grading standards should be the same, no matter who submits the card.....but I guess that doesn't happen.

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  • lsutigers1973lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭


    << <i>OK, you're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've only opened about 19,000 of these sets and submitted thousands of cards from them. I'm sure your one McGwire card from a completely different set is a more accurate sample size. >>



    Calm down Gary.

    Sorry this happened to you.
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    rofl....

    thanks for the laughs

    j
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  • 1123581311235813 Posts: 610
    There are tons of PSA 10's out there that are not "perfect".

    There was a PSA 10 1956 Topps Yogi Berra in the last Mile High Cards auction that was off-center, and there's another vintage PSA 10 in their current auction that is also slightly off-center.
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    How many of you guys were submitting cards back in 2000 ? I wish I printed out their grading standards from back then. I'm not sure, but I remember them being more desciptive for each grade & much more strict

    Here is what I remember ...

    PSA 9 ... Has to appear perfect to the naked eye & centering 60/40 or better

    PSA 10 ... no flaws, even with using a 10X magnifying glass & centering 50/50 (Thus making it a GEM)

    is the 10X magnifying glass out of the grading process ?

  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>OK, you're right. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've only opened about 19,000 of these sets and submitted thousands of cards from them. I'm sure your one McGwire card from a completely different set is a more accurate sample size. >>



    lol, ouch

    I know I could have phrased that a little different, I didn't mean it to sound like that.

    That was a funny reaction though, I'm sorry this happened to me. image
  • RogermnjRogermnj Posts: 1,809 ✭✭
    Why would someone even submit a 1989 baseball card?

    What is the registry?

    Who is alan trammell?
  • BobaFett72BobaFett72 Posts: 7,304
    big time bulk submitters must get the graders with the lazy eye....or they are graduates from the Helen Keller Driving school.

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  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    helen keller could've felt the edges of that card & know it was no psa 10.

    j
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  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>Now I'm not sure about THAT one... I sent in a McGwire Donruss Rookies once, which is card #1 in a tightly wrapped cello), and I got no love on it. It was the sharpest one I had, and it came back a 6. >>



    There had to have been something else wrong with it, like a hidden wrinkle. The 87 Donruss boxed sets seem to have been wrapped tighter than most, resulting in slight surface wrinkles over time.

    I've submitted plenty of Donruss factory set and boxed set cards in the few years that I've been submitting, and if the corner is slightly factory-rounded but the surface is still intact under magnification, then the grade is not harmed. If there's any flaking, chipping, or denting, then the grade gets harmed.

    Now... this 89 D BB card, the lower right corner looks excessivly rounded, almost dinged. Maybe the scan looks worse that the card itself?
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  • fujfuj Posts: 559 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I've submitted plenty of Donruss factory set and boxed set cards in the few years that I've been submitting, and if the corner is slightly factory-rounded but the surface is still intact under magnification, then the grade is not harmed. If there's any flaking, chipping, or denting, then the grade gets harmed. >>



    That has been my experience with submitting cards from Donruss factory sets as well - primarily '87.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    lol, ouch

    I know I could have phrased that a little different, I didn't mean it to sound like that.

    That was a funny reaction though, I'm sorry this happened to me.


    Sorry, I was a little hungover this morning. Someone needs to shoot me in the balls.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    That's okay, after I re-read my statement, I deserved that one. It was good for a laugh on a slow day!
  • billwaltonsbeardbillwaltonsbeard Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry, I was a little hungover this morning. Someone needs to shoot me in the balls. >>



    Maybe a gang of teenage karate students on dirtbikes should run you off the road and down a steep hill and make you throw your bicycle in the dumpster.
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