Where does the sheet cutting STOP!

MBMiller25 · September 15, 2008 10:30PM

Made a decision to sell my BGS 9.5 82(Ripkens) 83 (Gwynn, Boggs, Sandberg) and a few other BGS cards last night. I have four cards, that I am debating on whether to sell only because they are newer modern stuff. Should I worry about BGS sheet cutting these cards, and just dump them, or am I overreacting?

1. 2002 Bowman Chrome David Wright AUTO BGS 9.5
2. 2005 Ryan Braun X-Fractor Auto #175/250 BGS 9.5 2-10's and 2-9.5's
3. 1994 Arod SP BGS 9 with 10, 9, 9, 9 subs
4. 1993 Jeter SP BGS 9 with 9.5 9 9.5 9 subs

Thoughts on whther I should sell these four cards and try to replace with PSA cards in PSA 10 and PSA 9 or should I hang onto these four?

artistlost · September 15, 2008 10:32PM

I think you are pretty safe with those 4 cards...I doubt they would be sheet cut.

Throw up some scans and the people on here should be able to help with any trim jobs on the Arod or Jeter

m.

justmichael · September 15, 2008 10:38PM

If it helps the 2 autos were signed after they were cut from sheets so I doubt you have to worry about them.

MBMiller25 · September 15, 2008 10:52PM

Here are the scans of the Jeter and Arod SP cards:

MBMiller25 · September 15, 2008 10:53PM

Hmmm Not sure why those pictures came out sideways. They are right side up in my photobucket.

cwazzy · September 15, 2008 10:55PM

I see them just fine. Nice cards.

Chris

hockeyguy · September 15, 2008 11:08PM

<< Should I worry about BGS sheet cutting these cards, and just dump them, or am I overreacting? >>

I wish we could have an open and frank conversation about the entire hobby,
But I dont wish to get banned :-)

I'll say this though.
A few Sheet cut cards in BGS holders isnt the start & the end of anyones hobby problems

You have already listed your BGS cards, so you have already decided

But if I were to guess, you will one day regret selling off your BGS cards,
then again, we've all done things that we later regret

Boopotts · September 15, 2008 11:12PM

Those probably aren't sheet cut, but one thing to remember (especially re: the Jeter and ARod) is that for years BGS had an explicit policy of slabbing anything that measured up within tolerance. Thus, even if there was a card that they knew was trimmed they would still slab it so long as it came within 1/32" (give or take) of the card's expected dimensions. So, while neither of those cards are sheet cut, the chances that they were trimmed at some point are probably relatively high.

hockeyguy · September 15, 2008 11:24PM

<< So, while neither of those cards are sheet cut, the chances that they were trimmed at some point are probably relatively high. >>

Will the card hobby become the autograph hobby ?
Where as majority of the autos are fake, majority of the cards will be TRIMMED ?

MBMiller25 · September 15, 2008 11:28PM

Hockyguy, Right now, I am only selling off the cards, I can easliy replace with PSA slabbed cards in the same grade. There are cards, such as a BGS 9.5 Cal Ripken Topps Traded that I am much more torn with. Do I need to worry about Topps Traded cards being sheet cuts? I would find it almost impossible to beleive that there are sheets of 1982 Topps Traded laying around somewhere. Should I worry about this card someday being flooded with BGS 9.5's because someone found a slew of uncut 82 Topps Traded Sheets and is no producing BGS 9.5 sheet cuts? Here is a scan of the Ripken.

hockeyguy · September 15, 2008 11:38PM

<< Hockyguy, Right now, I am only selling off the cards, I can easliy replace with PSA slabbed cards in the same grade. There are cards, such as a BGS 9.5 Cal Ripken Topps Traded that I am much more torn with. Do I need to worry about Topps Traded cards being sheet cuts? I would find it almost impossible to beleive that there are sheets of 1982 Topps Traded laying around somewhere. Should I worry about this card someday being flooded with BGS 9.5's because someone found a slew of uncut 82 Topps Traded Sheets and is no producing BGS 9.5 sheet cuts? Here is a scan of the Ripken. >>

I was just replying to your title in this thread (the concern for sheet cut cards). It sounded as if you were scared away by BGS/sheet cut cards. Now you are saying that you dont believe sheet cut cards are a wide spread issue (at least not all of them)

I gather that you had 2 different issues, and they got fused into one thread

1, you simply want to convert your Ripkens to PSA , for registery purposes

2, getting rid of the rest of the BGS's due to fear that THEY might be sheet cut

Boopotts · September 15, 2008 11:42PM

I would think that any BGS 9.5 where the surface subgrade is the lowest of all subgrades has a stronger than usual chance of being sheet cut.

lsutigers1973 · September 15, 2008 11:42PM

I would have to hold on to the Ripken simply because he was my wife's favorite player. Plus, that is a sweet looking card. I would try to cross it over to PSA before I sold it.

RonBurgundy · September 16, 2008 12:20AM

Ask 4 Sharp Corners.

dizzle · September 16, 2008 1:01AM

<< I would think that any BGS 9.5 where the surface subgrade is the lowest of all subgrades has a stronger than usual chance of being sheet cut. >>

Not always true....

I was doing a 1988 fleer basketball set in BGS 9.5's and submitted every card myself. out of 50 gem mints all had a 9 for surface but maybe 5 cards.

If you have one print dot the size of this period . your looking at a 9 surface if you have 2 or 3 your looking a 8.5 surface..

While Sheet cut are a problem (for certain issues) does anybody really think If I went and bought a 1997 finest sheet and had it cut, or cut it myself for that matter. I could not get any of the cards in PSA slabs? If you think no It could not happen your fooling yourself...

Boopotts · September 16, 2008 1:34AM

<< 

<< I would think that any BGS 9.5 where the surface subgrade is the lowest of all subgrades has a stronger than usual chance of being sheet cut. >>

Not always true....

I was doing a 1988 fleer basketball set in BGS 9.5's and submitted every card myself. out of 50 gem mints all had a 9 for surface but maybe 5 cards.

If you have one print dot the size of this period . your looking at a 9 surface if you have 2 or 3 your looking a 8.5 surface..

While Sheet cut are a problem (for certain issues) does anybody really think If I went and bought a 1997 finest sheet and had it cut, or cut it myself for that matter. I could not get any of the cards in PSA slabs? If you think no It could not happen your fooling yourself... >>

That's very interesting about the '86 Fleer. Thanks for bringing that up.

psafan · September 16, 2008 3:20AM

cal=sheet cut

dfr52 · September 16, 2008 3:45AM

<< 

<< I would think that any BGS 9.5 where the surface subgrade is the lowest of all subgrades has a stronger than usual chance of being sheet cut. >>

Not always true....

I was doing a 1988 fleer basketball set in BGS 9.5's and submitted every card myself. out of 50 gem mints all had a 9 for surface but maybe 5 cards.

If you have one print dot the size of this period . your looking at a 9 surface if you have 2 or 3 your looking a 8.5 surface..

While Sheet cut are a problem (for certain issues) does anybody really think If I went and bought a 1997 finest sheet and had it cut, or cut it myself for that matter. I could not get any of the cards in PSA slabs? If you think no It could not happen your fooling yourself... >>

I agree that sheet cut cards have probably made it into holders of all of the major grading companies.

hockeyguy · September 16, 2008 9:12AM

I think I'll buy this

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How should I cut up this bad boy ?
Should I use up ALL the white borders, and cut all the way to the next card.
Now thems be some borders.

nam812 · September 16, 2008 9:35AM

<< I think I'll buy this

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That's a cool piece to own, and seems to be still quite a value with only 2 hours left. I'm sure there are some snakes laying in the weeds waiting for this one.

hockeyguy · September 16, 2008 9:37AM

i thought that also, but the surface on the marino is kinda bad, or this snake would be checking to see how much is in his paypal account

thehallmark · September 16, 2008 1:48PM

This question is going to come across as snarky or stupid or both, but I'm compelled to ask it anyway.....

Didn't all cards come from a sheet at some point in their existence?

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 16, 2008 3:31PM

<< This question is going to come across as snarky or stupid or both, but I'm compelled to ask it anyway.....

Didn't all cards come from a sheet at some point in their existence? >>

No, that's just a rumor.

MBMiller25 · September 16, 2008 11:40PM

There are two people buying a majority of the un-cut sheets out there right now, and one of them is the brother for Ebay seller Consignmints! and the other is a guy out of Canada from what I have been told. There is actually a pretty impressive operation going on right now with uncut sheets being laser cut, and then being graded and distributed via Consignmints, Shoeless Joe, and one other out of FL. that is slipping my mind. Thats all the information I have, It makes me sick!

Editted to Add: After posting this, I looked at this auction again and noticed that this buyer is from Canada, and certainly has the history of buying uncut sheets! Is this the brother of Andy Tuttle (Consignmints)?

RonBurgundy · September 16, 2008 11:47PM

4SC sheet cuts 75 Topps.

gosteelers · September 17, 2008 12:30AM

How about DSLSports, too?

billwaltonsbeard · September 17, 2008 12:42AM

Regarding the Elway and Marino RCs with fat borders........

If someone is going through the trouble to cut up sheets of 84 Topps to get Gem MT cards, why aren't they making sure the borders are regular sized? Obviously they have complete control of where the cut is being made. I dont get it.

BPorter26 · September 17, 2008 12:48AM

Hi Guys, I'm new to the forum. Here's my 2 cents. Beckett needs to stop grading these cut sheets. They're killing the market. All for the mighty buck. Sad!!!!!

larryallen73 · September 17, 2008 12:50AM

This question is going to come across as snarky or stupid or both, but I'm compelled to ask it anyway.....

Didn't all cards come from a sheet at some point in their existence?

That is EXACTLY the question I was going to ask. I apologize for not being aware of this issue but what's the big deal? If cards were sheet cut in the year of issue or last year what's the difference? If you like the card, it looks good, grades well, you have the card. I just don't see the problem. Just seems like one more "problem" to worry about. Please enlighten me.

hockeyguy · September 17, 2008 1:17AM

<< This question is going to come across as snarky or stupid or both, but I'm compelled to ask it anyway.....

Didn't all cards come from a sheet at some point in their existence?

That is EXACTLY the question I was going to ask. I apologize for not being aware of this issue but what's the big deal? If cards were sheet cut in the year of issue or last year what's the difference? If you like the card, it looks good, grades well, you have the card. I just don't see the problem. Just seems like one more "problem" to worry about. Please enlighten me. >>

Good question

If money wasnt a factor, it wouldnt even be an issue. But since we live in a slabbed world, and 9.5's & 10's really drive up the prices, everything will be closely examined. Right now, based on slumping prices, majority of collectors say "NO" to suspected sheet cards.

I keep going both ways on this issue. On one hand, the card is authentic (it's NOT a fake itself), and in some cases, its cut better than the ones from the factory (I'm really only referring to Hockey cards). It's hard to pass on a sheet cut card, that has 10's for centering, corners & edges, when you compare it, to a nasty factory cut card. If prices for slabbed cards had not gone nuts, I dont think people would even care.

BUT ... when you see all those Marino & Elway rookies with steroid borders ... yeah, were they THINKING when they cut them ? Thats when bad attention is drawn to these after market cut cards.

Do you really think people started cutting sheet just NOW?
I'm sure there are plenty of these cards in PSA holders too.
I just dont think collectors can truly know what they have anymore

larryallen73 · September 17, 2008 3:12AM

Thanks hockeyguy. I appreciate your explanation.

Sometimes I think things were a lot easier back in the 70's when I just worried about getting the card I wanted and I didn't worry about condition at all.

hockeyguy · September 17, 2008 3:14AM

look at the 2 cards side by side in this auction. draw a line that connects the bottom of both cards, and try to do the same on the top.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-DAN-MARINO-RC-BGS-9-5-10-x3-5-AWAY-ROOKIE_W0QQitemZ260282698148QQihZ016QQcategoryZ55999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

thats about 1/8" to 1/4" of extra card

visually, not appealing when its placed next to another card

want another 10 of these, fresh off the cutting table ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-1984-TOPPS-123-DAN-MARINO-BGS-9-5-HOF-RC_W0QQitemZ170263036215QQihZ007QQcategoryZ55999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/5-1984-TOPPS-63-JOHN-ELWAY-BGS-9-5-HOF-RC-ALL-5AWAY_W0QQitemZ180290202898QQihZ008QQcategoryZ55999QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Where does the sheet cutting STOP!

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