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MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
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I need some advice. Cal Ripken has long been one of my favorite baseball players, along with Paul Oneill. I would really like to start a PSA registry set of Ripken, so I can acquire some of my personal favorites I.E. (84 Donruss, 84 Topps, 86 Fleer, ETC) and of course his 4 key RC's, but my dilema is this: I already own the 82 Topps, 82 Topps Traded and 82 Fleer in BGS 9.5 grades. Even though the population reports are much lower on the BGS cards, for some reason the BGS cards aside from the 82 Topps Traded do not bring equal value to the PSA 10's in sales. A second problem is finding the 82 rookie cards in auctions. PSA 10's seldom come up for sale. What would you do if you were in my shoes? I appreciate the feedback.

Matt

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  • yankeeno7yankeeno7 Posts: 9,253 ✭✭✭
    I would be patient.
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would be patient. >>



    +1 - Patience has always been a virtue when waiting for cards to appear on eBay. Impatience invariably leads to higher prices paid and foolish decisions considered.
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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    If you already have the big ones in BGS, then why not continue in BGS ?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    What exactly is the question?

    You have BGS cards and want PSA ones?

    If so then cross them.


    Or do you want the set in 10?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Guys, I will admit, I have more money than patience. I am not patient when it comes to cards that I want.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Steve, I want the set in PSA 10. I am not sure the BGS 9.5's will cross over to PSa 10's in the slabs, and I am not going to crack the cards out of the BGS 9.5 slabs.
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>Guys, I will admit, I have more money than patience. >>



    Where do you live ?
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>Steve, I want the set in PSA 10. I am not sure the BGS 9.5's will cross over to PSa 10's in the slabs, and I am not going to crack the cards out of the BGS 9.5 slabs. >>



    Seems to me that you should sell them, if you really want them in PSA. What does a Ripken 82 Traded BGS 9.5 go for nowadays ?
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    $1000.00 for the Topps Trade BGS 9.5 Ripken. I just picked one up from a guy looking for quick money at $750.00 but typically $1000 on auction in season.
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>$1000.00 for the Topps Trade BGS 9.5 Ripken. I just picked one up from a guy looking for quick money at $750.00 but typically $1000 on auction in season. >>



    so what does a psa 10 go for (cross-over purpose) ?
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    honestly, I can not tell you the last time I saw a 82 TT go up for auction, but if I recall correctly, it went for right around $1000.
  • VitoCo1972VitoCo1972 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭
    It's a shame PSA doesn't offer an "all or none" crossover option. I bet if you called Joe, you could work that out with him. Just call and say if all cross to 10's - crack them. If one doesn't - don't crack any. I bet you could get this done with all 4 cards for less than $100.
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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    so the cross-over ($) is roughly the same, right ?

    At this point, its all about which slab you like more.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Vito, I am trying to schedule a meeting the week of Sept 29th to discuss PSA set registry cases with him, I will ask him if he would be willing to that when I meet with Joe. I am sure he would do it, I am just not sure they would give me the satisfaction of giving me PSA 10's for all three of the rookie cards I have. The 82 Donruss PSA 10 is easy to find and relatively cheap, its the other three that will cost you.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    The Cross Over dollars arent close on the 82 Topps and 82 Fleer. The 82 Topps sells for $275-$300 in BGS 9.5 state and sells for $500 in PSA 10. The Fleer sells for $400 BGS 9.5 and will sell for $600-$700 in PSA 10. The PSA set registry really drives the price of cards up. The pops are actually MUCH lower on the BGS 9.5 cards.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Steve, I want the set in PSA 10. I am not sure the BGS 9.5's will cross over to PSa 10's in the slabs, and I am not going to crack the cards out of the BGS 9.5 slabs.



    Gotcha. I'd give it a try. (Cross in slabs) if 1 crosses you are ahead.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
    The pops are lower because most people submit 80s cards to PSA and not BGS. 5 years ago when BGS had tighter grading standards, the pricing was a lot closer and BGS 9.5 would even command more than PSA 10 for many cards. Now they seem to have loosened up and it's well known that they grade sheet-cut cards, so you see the result in the price differential.

    You have little to know chance of them crossing over without cracking the slab, so you're best bet is to get what you can for the BGS 9.5s and buy PSA 10s. Or if any of the 9.5s are truly perfect than take your chances and crack. Do you feel like scanning them for us?
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>The Cross Over dollars arent close on the 82 Topps and 82 Fleer. The 82 Topps sells for $275-$300 in BGS 9.5 state and sells for $500 in PSA 10. The Fleer sells for $400 BGS 9.5 and will sell for $600-$700 in PSA 10. The PSA set registry really drives the price of cards up. The pops are actually MUCH lower on the BGS 9.5 cards. >>




    If MORE people are doing the set registry thing, can the prices really drive up ? Sounds to me that more people will submit, and the pops goes up, and the prices really shouldnt go up - At least thats the law of "supply & demand"

    Not the greatest example, but Barry Sanders Pro Set 1989 PSA 10 sold for $200 in 2000 ... now that there are 600 psa 10's ... less than $20.00

    That wouldnt be the case with vintage cards, but 80's ??? Sort of borderline. Nothing is close to rare.

  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>The pops are lower because most people submit 80s cards to PSA and not BGS. 5 years ago when BGS had tighter grading standards, the pricing was a lot closer and BGS 9.5 would even command more than PSA 10 for many cards. Now they seem to have loosened up and it's well known that they grade sheet-cut cards, so you see the result in the price differential >>




    Too bad I see high end PSA 10's with edge chipping, and I see that fresh sheet cutcards that are BGS 9.5

    I think BOTH have lowered their standards


  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    I will scan the cards and put the three BGS 9.5 Ripken cards up. I am leaning towards either selling what I have and patientily wait until PSA 10's become available, or just purchase PSA 9's on the three 1982 cards and PSA 10's on everything else, that seems to be more plentiful.

    Hockeyguy, I would agree that your logic makes sense concerning Supply and Demand, but I think as more and more people are becoming involved in the PSA set registry its artificially inflating the value of cards. A great example, a 2001 Topps PSA 10 card sold for #137.50 a couple days ago. Before the advent of the PSA set registry, and the desire to be #1 on the set registry, you would could pick that card up for next to nothing. Of course, before the set registry, you wouldnt have even found that card graded.
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    I really do not want to get into a debate between Beckett and PSA. I used to really be a staunch supporter of Beckett and felt like their cards were far nicer in BGS 9.5 form to that of a PSA 10. I have completely reversed that line of thinking now, and actually go alomst the other direction, anything pre 1989. When I learned Beckett was grading sheet cut cards, I almost felt betrayed, as in my opinion damaged Beckett in terms of grading. Sheet cut cards aren't real cards, You almost never got that kind of a card out of pack, and to grade them like they are pack fresh cards is a sham. Its a shame that Beckett is so screwed up, as they could have monopolized this entire industry.
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312
    I dont think its an arguement at all. I like both slabs & I see good and bad in both.

    I used to think that cards cut from sheets was just not acceptable. But ... a card cut from a sheet is a card cut from a sheet ... if someone can do it better than the folks at the Topps / OPC factory did years ago, so be it. Its still an authentic product ...just as long as they can measure correctly.

    I look at miscut, rough edge cards graded PSA 10 (i'm NOT knocking PSA, so lets not go there), and then I see an obvious sheet cut card in a BGS 9.5 thats just a GEM!!! How can you pass it up, just because it was cut nicely ?
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    I do not disagree with anything your saying, I just hate that Beckett made the decision to grade sheet cuts.
  • HighChopperHighChopper Posts: 1,091
    Here's one I should have never sold ...

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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>I just hate that Beckett made the decision to grade sheet cuts. >>




    Yeah, I know
    I felt the same way
    then I changed my mind
    I'll probably run this cycle a few times
  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Georgous PSA Ripken!
  • JoewoowooJoewoowoo Posts: 260
    here is your 1982 Topps traded PSA 10 Ripkin in auction right nowRipken PSA 10

    GOOD luck if u go AFTER IT. HERE IS THE url if the link does not work.

    http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=11619





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  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>here is your 1982 Topps traded PSA 10 Ripkin in auction right nowRipken PSA 10

    GOOD luck if u go AFTER IT. HERE IS THE url if the link does not work.

    http://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDetail2.aspx?lotid=11619





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    Thats a 10 ???

  • RogermnjRogermnj Posts: 1,809 ✭✭
    With all of the sheet cut/trimmed cards in BGS holders I would just sell them for whatever you can and buy PSA 10s.
    5 years from now I can't see any 80s rookies having any kind of value in BGS slabs.
    I would say at least half of the 84 marino,elway, 82 ripken, 83 sandgerb,gwynn,boggs, etc in BGS 9.5 or BGS 10 slabs have ridiculously large borders. With technology getting better I can only imagine the #'s will only get worse.

    If you have more money than patience it shouldnt be a big deal to just sell the BGS's and buy the PSA's.

    You can make an argument that every card that sells is artificially inflated.
    What makes a 2001 topps Ripken PSA 10 for $132 worse then a 1982 topps ripken for $500.00 or a honus wagner for $3million.
    Either way its a piece of cardboard in a piece of plastic.

    Cards will always be worth what someone is willing to pay along with every other good in our economy.

    The psa set registry is fun and gives people entertainment. That alone is worth something.

  • MBMiller25MBMiller25 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭
    Ive decided to sell my BGS cards and do my best to replace with PSA cards. Auctions went up last night and today.
  • hockeyguyhockeyguy Posts: 312


    << <i>With all of the sheet cut/trimmed cards in BGS holders >>




    Sheet cut cards ... YES, I've seen them & I've pointed many of them out

    Trimmed cards ... not that they cant exist, but can you provide some links to a few of them ?
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