Resealer Dirtbag rlhjmh2006 Is At It Again...
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This time at least he's got the pack count right, but this box is guaranteed garbage. There seems to be an influx of these thieves on the 'bay of late, which is kind of ironic since legitimate sellers seem to have less protection than ever. But those circumstances seem to favor the scammers, since who cares if they have to refund one out of ten buyers for a garbage pack...it's worthless anyway.
Sad part here too is that No Paypal=No Protection either. Feel sorry for the poor soul who flushes his money down the toilet for this one.
"Relisted due to a non-paying bidder"--that's pretty funny. Pray tell, who was that? LOL!
Resealed 1971 OPC Box
Sad part here too is that No Paypal=No Protection either. Feel sorry for the poor soul who flushes his money down the toilet for this one.
"Relisted due to a non-paying bidder"--that's pretty funny. Pray tell, who was that? LOL!
Resealed 1971 OPC Box
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Edit to add: His real name is Randy Howard. His buying ID for wrappers and commons in pastoney.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>Obvously, PAOutdoorsman going to trial had no effect on these PA thieves. Camp Hill is even the same town as PAOutdoorsman as I recall. Sickening. >>
Camp Hill is right outside Harrisburg, which is in the center of Pennsylvania - Whenever paoutsoorsman2004 does his ebay scams, the towns he lives in are always within a small radius of Harrisburg...and the photoshop technique always looks the same.
Absolutely. This pack factory needs to be shut dwon once and for all. Unfortunately, the people who buy from them rarely have a clue and they take advantge of that ignorance.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i> this guy, who in my opinion is paoutdoorsman2004 or is involved with paoutdoorsman2004.
Absolutely. This pack factory needs to be shut dwon once and for all. Unfortunately, the people who buy from them rarely have a clue and they take advantge of that ignorance. >>
You're right - I remember first shopping on ebay and seeing those Xmas rack packs...I didn't get sucked in because it just didn't seem right which turned out to be correct. But admittedly for a few days I considered buying it. I can only imagine that newbie collectors and perhaps wives buying gifts for their card collecting husbands get sucked in on these scams - and unfortunately sometimes they receive the fraud merchandise and think they've gotten a deal and give the scammer positive feedback without even realizing they got ripped off.
Even though it exists today, I think illegal song downloading is at a low enough level that the recording industry can live with the numbers. Many years back, the threat of arrests and fines were not enough to deter the pirating of songs via the interent (napster, Kazaa, etc). Once the authorities got serious and started arresting/fining 15 year old girls, 70 year old grannies, and others thousands of dollars, there was an immediate drop in illegal recordings. There will always be some, but not at the volume as before.
Ebay, Topps, etc. need to do the same thing, start going after these nutbags with the help of law enforcement. Start arresting and suing everyone from the 14 year old kid resealing 88 Donruss to these ebay nutjobs. Stiff fines and jail sentences if the crime is severe enough will start to change things, but for now there's too little risk and too much reward
<< <i>My analogy on this, may it be right or wrong, is similar to the song downloading thing a few years back.
Even though it exists today, I think illegal song downloading is at a low enough level that the recording industry can live with the numbers. Many years back, the threat of arrests and fines were not enough to deter the pirating of songs via the interent (napster, Kazaa, etc). Once the authorities got serious and started arresting/fining 15 year old girls, 70 year old grannies, and others thousands of dollars, there was an immediate drop in illegal recordings. There will always be some, but not at the volume as before.
Ebay, Topps, etc. need to do the same thing, start going after these nutbags with the help of law enforcement. Start arresting and suing everyone from the 14 year old kid resealing 88 Donruss to these ebay nutjobs. Stiff fines and jail sentences if the crime is severe enough will start to change things, but for now there's too little risk and too much reward >>
Why would Ebay or Topps come after re-sealers of old product? Topps has nothing to gain since they already made money on the packs 30 years ago and eBay is simply a sellers forum and has no obligation to take people to court and incur expenses on a re-sealed pack of baseball cards.
Unless it is a 1952 Topps pack, there is really not enough money involved to take someone to court, once you take into account court fees, lawyers fees, and vacation days required to go to court and file papers.
It is a situation that will continue. Buyers just have to be smart about where they buy their product.
J
"Hi, I have a question: I hope you get run over by a truck. LMK."
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Why would Ebay or Topps come after re-sealers of old product? Topps has nothing to gain since they already made money on the packs 30 years ago and eBay is simply a sellers forum and has no obligation to take people to court and incur expenses on a re-sealed pack of baseball cards.
Unless it is a 1952 Topps pack, there is really not enough money involved to take someone to court, once you take into account court fees, lawyers fees, and vacation days required to go to court and file papers.
It is a situation that will continue. Buyers just have to be smart about where they buy their product.
J >>
Company integrity?
Sellers are selling "counterfeit" packs?
Honestly, if you were a car manufacturer and sold cars and some dirtbag was pulling out the motors on them and replacing them with 76 Ford Pinto motors and passing them off as the real thing would you as the manufacturer want YOUR product being shown off that way?
Buyers have a huge responsibility here, but it will take some company with a little bit of ethics in their product to do anything about it. I wont give ebay or Topps a free pass and say they are not partially responsible in allowing this to continue. Many companies that run online games used to have their product sold on ebay, a few phone calls from Sony and a threatened lawsuit of ebay resulted in the pullling of every auction f that type (1000's a day). A little call from Topps will start the ball rolling, but if they bury their head in the sand, nothing will change.
The difference with the online game items is the contract you agree to when you sign up specifically states the items are the Property of the game company and selling of these items is a violation of that agreement
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<< <i> this guy, who in my opinion is paoutdoorsman2004 or is involved with paoutdoorsman2004.
Absolutely. This pack factory needs to be shut dwon once and for all. Unfortunately, the people who buy from them rarely have a clue and they take advantge of that ignorance. >>
You're right - I remember first shopping on ebay and seeing those Xmas rack packs...I didn't get sucked in because it just didn't seem right which turned out to be correct. But admittedly for a few days I considered buying it. I can only imagine that newbie collectors and perhaps wives buying gifts for their card collecting husbands get sucked in on these scams - and unfortunately sometimes they receive the fraud merchandise and think they've gotten a deal and give the scammer positive feedback without even realizing they got ripped off. >>
Same here. When I got back into the hobby in 2003 after a 13 year layoff, that was the first thing that struck my interest. I saw some late 50s, early 60s Christmas racks and was very intrigued. But, as with everything else I do, I first watched and learned. I figured something was peculiar since they went for so low. I believe I either asked here or found a thread that confirmed my suspicions.
There are three truisms in the hobby: Do not buy autograph items. Do not buy raw cards on eBay (unless you get them far below book). Do not buy ungraded packs on eBay.
buying O-Pee-Chee (OPC) baseball
<< <i>I just bid
Edit to add: His real name is Randy Howard. His buying ID for wrappers and commons in pastoney. >>
I heard he has a labratory twin brother named Igor or possible Fester. Its amazing that even though the best genetic pieces may have dribbled down someones leg, they still have the same genetic predisposition to not do the right things.
For the horizontally challenged , there is supposed to be a "gene" that causes them to eat to much. For the intellectially challeged , its obvious to come to a foregone conclusion. For the non-hetrosexual , its rumoured to be in the "genes", although dominating mothers and / or passive fathers , are always in the picture. I just wonder if there is a "Rip-off" gene, that causes Randy and his rumoured lab-rat brother Igor or Fester to act the way they do. We may be to tough on them , if they have such a gene.
Just my 7 cents.
What would a box from Steve BBCX go for?
I agree 560.00 for all that work is not that much, howvere the buyer is being scammed.
Steve
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>I'm pretty sure the buyer will not get scammed. >>
I agree
So is this seller a notorious resealer? If so, his listing of this box may be a good sign...
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So is this seller a notorious resealer? If so, his listing of this box may be a good sign...
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Yes, indeed.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.