Vintage Pack Help

Charlie9 · September 10, 2008 3:17AM

Hey guys...looking for a little help. I haven't been able to locate one of the BB Kids books that has these details but I'm looking to tell how many cards as well as what inserts are included in the following packs. Anybody who can help me out would be greatly appreciated!!

Baseball Wax:
61 Fleer
66 OPC
67 OPC
70 OPC
71 OPC

Football Wax:
61 Fleer
62 Topps
68 Topps
70 Topps
71 Topps

Griffins · September 10, 2008 3:32AM

'61 Fleer had a decal and sticker. Don't know what they were, but I suspect it was a team logo sticker

edit
'70 Football had the glossy card with the rounded corners I believe, or a poster. '71 Football definitely had a game card, remember pulling those at the time.

Charlie9 · September 10, 2008 3:49AM

Yep I remember the poster in 68 FB I think it was and the rounded game card in 70 or 71. Do you know how many cards were in each of these packs.

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 10, 2008 4:26AM

<< Hey guys...looking for a little help. I haven't been able to locate one of the BB Kids books that has these details but I'm looking to tell how many cards as well as what inserts are included in the following packs. Anybody who can help me out would be greatly appreciated!!

Baseball Wax:
61 Fleer
66 OPC
67 OPC
70 OPC
71 OPC

Football Wax:
61 Fleer
62 Topps
68 Topps
70 Topps
71 Topps >>

Just curious, why?

spazzy · September 10, 2008 4:26AM

If you go to bb card exchange, he has many of the packs pictured with inserts showing of what types. I believe the opc baseball packs were only three cards in 66 and 67. 70 and 71 opc had 10 cards. Spazzy

jmoran19 · September 10, 2008 4:34AM

68 FB - 5 cards and a poster
70 FB - 10 cards and a poster (series 1), series 2 had the glossy card instead of the poster
71 FB - 8 cards plus a poster and round playing card

jmoran19 · September 10, 2008 4:35AM

oh forgot, the 70 and 71 OPC should have 8 cards I believe, John

lsutigers1973 · September 10, 2008 5:26AM

I can only see one reason why anyone would need this information.

thedutymon · September 10, 2008 5:54AM

So are you saying what I think???????????????????????
Neil

Charlie9 · September 10, 2008 6:03AM

Nice... must you guys mistrust everyone! I appreciate those of you who offered some help. What I had in mind was a pack opening group (don't worry, I know better than to ask some of you) and I need to know how many cards are in each pack so I know how many members to recruit that would allow for each member to get 3 or 4 cards. In other words if I know there are 32 cards I know I can try to recruit 8 people and each will get 4 cards. If there are 30, then I'll try for 10 and each person gets 3 cards.

I looked over Steve's site whicgh is where I got this list actually because I'd only buy PSA graded wax and he has these for decent prices but the pics of the wax never say how many are in each pack.

Charlie9 · September 10, 2008 6:28AM

Anyone know about the 61F or the 62T FB?

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 10, 2008 8:55AM

<< Nice... must you guys mistrust everyone! . >>

Not really. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Just asking, that's it. Will the group break be on here?

<< Anyone know about the 61F or the 62T FB? >>

If all else fails, call/email Steve.

nam812 · September 10, 2008 9:38AM

<< Nice... must you guys mistrust everyone! I appreciate those of you who offered some help. What I had in mind was a pack opening group (don't worry, I know better than to ask some of you) and I need to know how many cards are in each pack so I know how many members to recruit that would allow for each member to get 3 or 4 cards. In other words if I know there are 32 cards I know I can try to recruit 8 people and each will get 4 cards. If there are 30, then I'll try for 10 and each person gets 3 cards.

I looked over Steve's site whicgh is where I got this list actually because I'd only buy PSA graded wax and he has these for decent prices but the pics of the wax never say how many are in each pack. >>

I was thinking you guys were being a little hard on him, until that answer. Each member get 3 or 4 cards? I dont even know where to start.

WinPitcher · September 10, 2008 9:47AM

woa, can't someone ask a question here without being accused of BS?

cmon guys.

Charlie, If you google your question, Dave Hornish has a few papers that may answer your questions.

OBC is another place you may get some help.

I think the keyword is 'topps inserts'

Steve

WinPitcher · September 10, 2008 9:49AM

Charlie it is called:

TOPPS INSERT, TEST AND SUPPLEMENTAL BASEBALL ISSUES 1949-1980

By David Hornish, dsh46@aol.com

oops nevermind I see that you are looking for OPC and Football issues.

You still may find something with a google.

Steve

nam812 · September 10, 2008 10:02AM

Steve I thought they were a little hard on him too, as I stated, until I saw his answer to them. Who in the world would go in on a 70's pack rip where each person gets a couple of cards from the pack? When the potential PSA 9 1971 OPC Pete Rose gets pulled, who gets it, the lucky guy who bought card #6 for $35?

WinPitcher · September 10, 2008 10:03AM

I know, but I have heard crazier crap.

IMO if someone wanted to scam that info could be obtained on the down low.

Steve

lsutigers1973 · September 10, 2008 10:07AM

I vaguely remember him posting before about his idea for a group pack rip that he was going to do on youtube. Still wouldn't satisfy my suspicions unless I was at his house when the packs were delivered. Plus, $30 for 3 random cards? I would rather take my chances on eBay with some raw cards.

Charlie9 · September 10, 2008 10:24AM

Thanks for the info. I haven't had time to google this yet but I'll try. I didn't want to bother Steve but I may if it looks like I may be buying.

By the way I have no problem with people asking why I needed this info but accusing me of having only one reason for this is a bit much. But if you want to live your life that way... to each his own. I agree this will be tough to fill, but I currently have a sold out Exquisite group where people pay $140 and average less than two cards each. When the potential payoff is a $500 or $1,000 card then people will gamble on it... including me. Same theory for vintage, sure you only get 3 or 4 cards per break, but I guarantee there are people out there (I'm one) that would be willing to pay $$ for a shot at a fresh pack pulled vintage star. One nicely conditioned common let alone a star and you have your money back. If you happen to hit a major star or a PSA 10... would that make it worth it? Yes it's a gamble but isn't every wax break? At least this way you get a taste of real vintage stuff without paying $1K to do it. I can't convince those of you that are so set on the idea that this is a stupid idea... but the reality is while it may not be for you, it may be for someone else.

Thanks again for those of you who were willing to help out a fellow collector.

grote15 · September 10, 2008 10:29AM

I agree that's an odd arrangement for a pack rip, but his question is a legitimate one for a sports collecting forum. Not everyone turns out to be Gary.

Edit: 1970 OPC BB & 1971 OPC BB contained 8 cards per pack. The Topps version contained 10. 1970 marked the year Topps doubled the price of a wax pack to 10 cents (they also doubled the number of cards in the pack from 5 to 10 also).

nam812 · September 10, 2008 10:40AM

<< ......his question is a legitimate one for a sports collecting forum.......... >>

Agreed 100%, but the break idea is ridiculous unless all paying parties are in the same room for the opening of the pack(s).

grote15 · September 10, 2008 10:44AM

< ......his question is a legitimate one for a sports collecting forum.......... >>

Agreed 100%, but the break idea is ridiculous unless all paying parties are in the same room for the opening of the pack(s).

No question there. It's bizarre even if they're in the same room, IMO. What, would he say to the guy mid pack: "Ok, stop at that card, ok next one's yours Joe!" LOL!

leftofdial · September 10, 2008 11:12AM

According to an old Tuff Stuff magazine, 61 Fleer has 5 cards (2 diff series)
and it doesn't say how many were in 62 Topps.

stevek · September 10, 2008 11:24AM

It's an idea that has been discussed here before, and unless someone is a gluten for punishment and doesn't mind throwing away their hard-earned money, then the "trust" issue is a valid issue. I think realistically and logically, in my view, it really can't work unless every "investor" is there in person to witness the opening of the sealed mailed package from the seller, along with the rip. Frankly, if I was in charge of organizing this along with a group of "investor" friends, I would insist that this would be the only way that I'd want to do it.

lsutigers1973 · September 10, 2008 11:28AM

This idea would work on a complete box of vintage of the same year. Just as with our group breaks, Steve could mail out the packs based on their position in the box.

Charlie9 · September 11, 2008 12:46AM

Trust me I went through 20 different versions in my head and believe it or not this seemed the best way while keeping the cost (reletively) low. The best way would be as LSU said, do a whole box and wax packs are sent out to everyone but then you only get the taste of 1 years issue, and are paying 4 times the amount for it.

You're right in that trust is a big factor here. In my own box breaking community I have built up a lot of trust or I wouldn't be able to fill the breaks as much as I do. In the other breaks higher end packs are busted on Youtube so all can see it but half if not more are busted by me without any other proof than my word and the results are sent out to each team collector. Yes there are alot of scammers out there but I wouldn't have the same group of guys in my breaks for 7-8 months running if they didn't trust me and like the results of the breaks.

The Vintage group would be different in that the breaks would be on Youtube from the moment the PSA case is broken to the pack being opened and reviewed. The card slots would be assigned before the case was ever opened so as we flip through the cards everybody would know who would be the owner of the next card. Is it the same as if you were the one opening the pack...no, or course not. But is it still an idea that at least 7-9 people out there may consider... based on the "occassional" success of my other groups I like to think so. And if it fails... well at least I tried.

Thanks again for the info on the number of cards guys... your help is appreciated!

1989FleerBillRipkencollector · September 11, 2008 12:55AM

Charlie9- Hope you didnt take offence to my subtle questioning. I honestly cannot recall your threads or character. Sometimes I'm a bit nosey but it's only to help lookout for possible scams and I thought this could of been a thread looking for pack making info. Happy Hunting, Donovan

dizzle · September 11, 2008 1:07AM

So how do you decide whom would get the "gum card" or the "wax card" it seems those 2 would be a tough sale?

Charlie9 · September 11, 2008 1:26AM

RipkenCollector - no offense taken at all. I understand questioning and I'm fine with that...I guess it was other people's accusations without waiting for an explanation that irked me.

As for the wax/gum card...that was a tough one too. The way I figured on doing it was to draw names randomly for each card position. If one person drew the first or last card in the pack, they'd be guaranteed not to get that slot for any of the other packs in that months break (I would try to do this monthly as I do with all my other breaks). If we break 5 packs that leaves 10 slots that may not be too desirable which should be evenly spread out over the 10 participants.

dizzle · September 11, 2008 1:32AM

<< RipkenCollector - no offense taken at all. I understand questioning and I'm fine with that...I guess it was other people's accusations without waiting for an explanation that irked me.

As for the wax/gum card...that was a tough one too. The way I figured on doing it was to draw names randomly for each card position. If one person drew the first or last card in the pack, they'd be guaranteed not to get that slot for any of the other packs in that months break (I would try to do this monthly as I do with all my other breaks). If we break 5 packs that leaves 10 slots that may not be too desirable which should be evenly spread out over the 10 participants. >>

If you ever do a 1986 fleer basketball rip let me know

Charlie9 · September 11, 2008 1:42AM

Don't see that happening as it's too predictable and hit or miss. I just like the idea of being able to bust some vintage stuff without paying an arm and a leg. You always hear about "pack fresh" cards...but all I want is a chance at TRUE "pack fresh" cards and while I can't afford $400 for a wax pack, I could swing $90 to share the pain/joy of a variety of packs and hope for either a big hit or a nicely conditioned common to make it worthwhile. If nothing else the entertainment value of being in on a vintage rip (even if it's on Youtube instead of standing in the same room) has got to be worth something? That's half the point of busting wax...it's the hope and anticipation of what might be. Sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't, but it's always entertaining.

stevek · September 11, 2008 2:16AM

Sorry but in my view it would be way to easy to "cheat" on a video that can easily be edited to get the results the person doing the opening wanted. Anyone can just shoot the video with the package coming in view in the video, open it up, then at the right time stop the video, open the pack, and if there's a Mantle in there simply position it in the pack that coincides with his "number" and then reposition the pack, and turn the video back on. Even having a clock in the background wouldn't be good enough because the clock could be stopped as well. Unless coming up with an absolute foolproof method then count me out. Sorry but that's my point of view I don't care who's doing it.

Perhaps somehow if it could be done on live video on a blog, that would be okay. As noted, a Youtube tape wouldn't be good enough for me. I'm not sure if "live" video can be shown on Youtube or not.

Charlie9 · September 11, 2008 2:27AM

Understand your opinion. I'm not saying I would join in on one of these if I didn't know the breaker as well. What I'm saying is that I have already built up this trust with a good number of people through our Boxbreakers groups so I'm not expecting anyone here to jump on board because you don't know anything about me...I wouldn't expect to have your trust without you having been involved in any of my breaks. My hope is to gather this info so I can make an informed proposal to those who I've earned this trust with, and if we can get a break underbelt I would gladly share it here as well and over time (should the group be successful enough to continue) perhaps I will earn your trust. If not, I understand and I hope you will at least enjoy watching the breaks even if you never plan to participate.

As to your point, I have looked into UStream which is a live webcam type of site but the quality appears to be hit or miss so for now I am thinking Youtube, but that doesn't have to be the final decision based on what other options are out there.

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