HELP!! As a seller, FEEBAY really smells bad. Any realistic alternatives from you guys?
chaz43
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I have some high dollar cards I want to sell over the next few months and with Feebay now wanting more of my hard earned dollars requiring only PAYPAL which is a total ripoff ( for high dollar cards, I would require payment by cashiers check only as it is the best protection and keeps Feebay from making me use Paypal). I was thinking of checking out Craig's List or other online auction houses that have a good chance of selling my high dollar cards without them sitting for months. Feebay is only hurting themselves in the end because of GREED. You guys got any REALISTIC suggestions? chaz
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<< <i>PSA 6. chaz >>
Nam- I know it's rough. Feebay should be outlawed as a greedy monopoly. There has got to be a way. chaz
It's easy and free! What more do you want?
I guess it's easier just to complain about eBay!
seriously, i used to use epier, it was not good, ised to sell on sold.com out of australia till ebay bought it, yahoo is gone,prob from ebay too, the b/s/t forum is a great place!!!! ebay used to be great,now all they want is to tell me what to do,when to do it, and take my $,complete control of an obidient worker!!sounds like my wife
<< <i>Why is it that the same people who complain about eBay, never post on the B/S/T boards?
It's easy and free! What more do you want?
I guess it's easier just to complain about eBay! >>
Good idea. I thought about it but wasn't sure. I'll check it out and let you know. chaz
<< <i>Why is it that the same people who complain about eBay, never post on the B/S/T boards? >>
eBay = several million possible buyers
BST board = several hundred possible buyers
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
<< <i>i would like a smll coke and large fry please
seriously, i used to use epier, it was not good, ised to sell on sold.com out of australia till ebay bought it, yahoo is gone,prob from ebay too, the b/s/t forum is a great place!!!! ebay used to be great,now all they want is to tell me what to do,when to do it, and take my $,complete control of an obidient worker!!sounds like my wife
thanks rube, I'll check it out. chaz
<< <i>i would like a smll coke and large fry please
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Who put the freak in french fies?
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
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<< <i>Why is it that the same people who complain about eBay, never post on the B/S/T boards? >>
eBay = several million possible buyers
BST board = several hundred possible buyers >>
it's still worth a try. I have got to do something. I can't let Feebay keep screwing me. They are arrogant and greedy. They try to cover up the greed with fancy marketing Paypal bullcht. chaz
I too have slowed down over the past few months but will
start up again soon.
Steve
Sellers will not be able to say they accept money orders or anything like that anymore, but buyers can still send them just like with cash.
They are not a Monoploy because you are not forced to use their service. One thing though that is going to nail them is there is a corporate law that makes it illegal to base special benefits on a one sided system. The DSR/ Fee Discount falls into that category there is rumor of a class action suit being put together right now on that matter. The new policy of less than a 4.3 DSR and you cannot sell falls into that as well, especially with the lies that Ebay is telling buyers on that. They tell buyers 4 stars is good, but sellers they say 4 stars is not good.
<< <i>i do think it sucks that they are going to all paypal now though, just to get more $, if i have to go and change 1,500 or so auctions by one word or so, im going to be reallly pis sed off,and them telling me what to charge for shipping is stupid,ive only been dong this since 1999,i guess they think they are mail experts now, i put 500 di/unit crest on for 450$, and 12.00 flat rate mail because of the weight is 40 pounds or so, it said you stink, shipping is too high, something like that, they are just screwing theirselves,somebody will open another site eventually and bust the ebay monopoly,if they dont get bought by ebay first
<< <i>IMO Ebay is still the best way to sell cards on the net.
I too have slowed down over the past few months but will
start up again soon.
Steve >>
Seems like the crunch is on, just like every other Election year in the past.
Many people are watching their disposable income like a newborn baby right now.
The economy will pick up and you'll be amazed how these times are soon forgotten.
'For those of you in your 20s and 30s, just hang tight and ride out the storm.
Things will get better; they always do somehow.
Try to be positive in negative times; the polarity will keep you centered.
I've been hearing "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" since I was a kid in the 50s!
eBay's the only Game in town right now .... Each individual has to decide whether or not they want to play.
I personally know many people, including a few very close friends, that are constantly b*tching about eBay,
but never seem to pull away.
eBay is NOT hurting .... believe me!
PoppaJ
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Their PPS is near a five-year low.
They are in near total disarray internally. Donahoe has two-quarters
to "solve the problems," or be gone.
Their most recent filings paint the picture of a deeply-troubled
RICO-Enterprise that is NOT likely long for this world.
Absent PP revenues, their biz-model is upsidedown.
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New sites pop-up every week. NONE will succeed.
No one has yet figured out how to make money by providing
an "alternative venue." The reason: There is NO WAY to make
money doing it. Ask EBAY.
<< <i>"eBay is NOT hurting .... believe me!"
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Their PPS is near a five-year low.
They are in near total disarray internally. Donahoe has two-quarters
to "solve the problems," or be gone.
Their most recent filings paint the picture of a deeply-troubled
RICO-Enterprise that is NOT likely long for this world.
Absent PP revenues, their biz-model is upsidedown.
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New sites pop-up every week. NONE will succeed.
No one has yet figured out how to make money by providing
an "alternative venue." The reason: There is NO WAY to make
money doing it. Ask EBAY. >>
yeah, yeah, yeah, more more more tell me more.... sink that leaky FEEBAY ship !!!!! chaz
"is bidpay still around storm?, i can remember it somewhere,but havnt heard anything about it in a long time "
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Effective December 31, 2007, BidPay.com, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of CyberSource Corporation, discontinued operations.
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In October, ProPay, PayPal, or an "approved merchant account" will be the choices.
If you research ProPay, you will find that outfit is essentailly "an arm" of WFC.
WFC is the primary clearing agent for PP transactions.
Think of it this way:
PayPal has a merchant account that WFC granted.
PayPal lets us "use" that MA and we pay PP a fee for the use.
Charges are cleared through WFC, and WFC charges PP a fee
for the service.
The difference between what we pay PP and the amount PP
pays WFC is PP's gross-profit.
Now enter the shielding gang.
The legal question is: How does PP force its service on sellers,
WITHOUT having legal troubles related to "tying agreements?"
SIMPLE: Bring a WFC-tool into the mix. Assure that ProPay is
always more expensive than PP, and always cheaper than a
REAL "merchant account."
PP receives a discount on WFC clearing AND/OR a fee from
every ProPay transaction. (The $35 annual ProPay fee is
enough to cover some of the discounts/rebates that WFC
has negotiated with PayPal.)
Subverting the Clayton Act - anti-tying - is the key to the
scheme. PP also needs to stay within the "spirit" of the
sundry consent-decrees that it has enetered into with
assorted AGs. Their lawyers say this kite will fly.
Within a few months, the AGs and the PP lawyers will be
chatting with Federal Judges.
RICO-Enterpirse to the MAX.
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EBAY is a broken company. Their biz-model cannot perform
as a growth company MUST to retain Wall-Street's institutional
investors. Tutes own about 70% of the paper. 20% is owned
by the "insiders;" including the corp itself.
EBAY has propped the PPS - even though at a 5-year low - using
SHAREHOLDERS' money to buy-back shares in the faltering pyramid
scheme. There is still more than $1B in the BB-fund, and when it is
empty... the corrupt and incompetent BOD will vote more "rescue $s"
and more shares will be repurchased.
When the tutes finally figure out what is REALLY happening, they
will dump like mad and we will be looking at about a $6 stock. That
fairly values PayPal, if EBAY related transactions are backed-out of
PP revenues.
PP is currently in a desperate drive to sign-up B&M merchants for
"card present" transactions. They will largely fail.
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It is widely felt that google is simply waiting for EBAY to implode.
If google threw $100+M to "compete," they could easily lose it all.
Once EBAY is croaked, google can move in and take the entire market;
for FREE.
The quickening is in play. It will not be too long.
Ok, we'll close our eyes and ears and believe you, coz you said it was so.
<< <i>>eBay is NOT hurting .... believe me!
Ok, we'll close our eyes and ears and believe you, coz you said it was so. >>
The "believe me" part is just an expression; believe what you will ... just don't get your feathers all ruffled yet
concerning eBay's demise
I am and always have been an optimist at heart, through the good times and the bad times.
PoppaJ
man thats funny
soon as my 50 bowman fb set sells, im changing my sigline to what we talked about
<< <i><I once shook hands with Pat Boone and my whole right side sobered up>
man thats funny
soon as my 50 bowman fb set sells, im changing my sigline to what we talked about
Rube,
Here's another famous quote from Dino ...
"You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on."
Try it sometime!
PoppaJ
"if ya dont leve that liquor alone, youll be talking to ralph on the big white phone"
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
That could be corporate hogwash.
<< <i>I hate ebay, i refuse to have more than 2500 items listed at any given time. >>
I hate Feebay as well. They are arrogant.... period. They give you all this marketing crap about how they are going to make it better. Leave it the hell alone!!!! Feebay had a decent business model but they sit around all day in their "meetings" and cubicles figuring out ways how to screw the sellers. Just leave it alone!! But they have to continue to make money for their shareholders and look good to Wall Street but all they are doing is making it worse. chaz
<< <i>thats the truth
"if ya dont leve that liquor alone, youll be talking to ralph on the big white phone"
<< <i>Google has said numerous times in the recent year they have no plans on opening a site to compete with Ebay. At one point they were, but decided the money it would take to topple Ebay would be enormous.
That could be corporate hogwash. >>
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The needs and wants of ALL of us who sell on EBAY are at complete
odds with those of EVERY corporate entity that "could" deliver an
EBAY-alternative.
google, YHOO, MSFT, AMZN, EBAY all know that a site for small-sellers
cannot make the kind of money required to retain institutional-investor
interest in the project.
NONE of the big guys are going to "save us," if it means they have to
spend money to compete with EBAY.
EBAY - and ALL of the others - have seen the future, and it does NOT
involve ANY of us. The AMZN model is the ONLY one that works; that
is where EBAY and the others will focus their efforts at duplication.
By December 1, 2008, most folks here will not even recognize EBAY.
WMT and every other BIG-BOX on the planet is preparing to flood the
site....................
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auctionbytes.com
eBay's Operation Catalog Flies Under the Radar
By: Ina Steiner
Sat Sept 6 2008 21:29:36
eBay announced a Diamond-level PowerSeller tier in June, and as I blogged in mid-August, more companies will be joining Buy.com and be allowed to list on the site for free. Now I'm hearing that eBay is introducing a pilot program next month in which a number of manufacturer and big-box retailer catalogs will be launched to eBay. Third-party vendors will work with these sellers to get them onto the eBay platform - no small feat given the quantity of product SKUs in their catalogs.
These Diamond PowerSellers will be given special privileges. Commission (FVF) fees will be negotiated individually, and it's my understanding that participants in this pilot will not be charged listing fees, nor will they have to meet eBay's seller standards during the 90-day pilot program, which I've dubbed Operation Catalog.
The potential Gross Merchandise Volume of these sellers is enormous, and it fills out eBay's product line and helps it move toward providing a more uniform buying experience on the site, or so it hopes.
The flood of inventory onto the site in October could have a major impact on certain sellers in categories affected. As I write in tomorrow's editorial in AuctionBytes-Update, not only will some sellers find themselves competing with the manufacturer of the product they sell, but that competitor is getting free listings and better exposure.
If Operation Catalog does roll out in October as expected, sellers will find themselves going up against competition they never knew existed, with no time to adjust their selling strategy during the all-important holiday shopping season.
auctionbytes.com
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On a positive note, it is possible that increased traffic from folks buying
mass-produced junk from the Chi-Coms will produce a few more card
buyers; I doubt it.
<< <i>I have my forms of payment listed in all of my store listings, will I have to go back and edit them all? >>
yup.
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It appears that EBAY is less concerned with STRs than with GMV of listings AND raw-listing counts.
buy.com likely has the worse STR in the HISTORY of EBAY.
BUT, buy.com has at least one listing expiring ever second of every day. Often, many more.
Instead of having 13M+ listings, EBAY appears ready to offer on the road to 100M. It is possible
that such an increase could translate into revenues, but I don't see it happening. The padding
of listings is more likely designed to further mislead Wall Street; LC has been the key-metric used
to forecast revenues.
LC is meaningfull, when STRs are at 50% to 80%. At <2% to 5%, LC don't mean JACK.
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My current concerns in the collectible categories are several:
Most sellers are buyers. If all the little sellers get run off, they will no longer be buyers.
New buyers - seeing a WalMart site - will run away before they have a chance to explore for collectibles.
Large sellers have TERRIBLE customer service records. This will further chase away buyers that might
have become collectible customers.
General word-of-mouth is going to continue to deteriorate the customer base.
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When they pry the mouse out of my cold, dead hand, I will quit listing on EBAY. But,
I am NOW going to have to get serious about expanding my efforts away from EBAY.
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auctionbytes is just now reporting that a large round of layoffs is likely pending
at EBAY. Executives have been fleeing fast in the past 60-days, and now the CS
folks will likely be substantially reduced. This is not a sign that everything is OK.
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For folks with an academic interest in business-history, it is enlightening to read
about Bain Capital. Both Meg and Donahoe worked for Mitt Romney at Bain. MR's
real claim to fame at Bain was teaching American companies how to "outsource"
and move jobs offshore. Donahoe learned everything he thinks he knows at Bain.
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If ONLY Lorrie Norrington had been selected to replace Meg, we would not be
having this current crisis. I met with her on my 2007 trip and she was MORE
militant than I was. Now, she just does not want to get fired, and I suspect
she knows that she will have a chance to pick-up the pieces next year.
She was trained by Jack Welch...........
Lorrie Norrington
President, eBay Marketplace Operations
As President of eBay Marketplace Operations, Lorrie Norrington is responsible for delivering operational excellence across all of eBay's global network of sites.
Previously, Lorrie was President of eBay International, overseeing the strategic and financial planning, marketing, operations, product development and business development for eBay's international businesses. This includes eBay's network of sites in Europe and Asia Pacific, as well as eBay's Classifieds businesses.
Prior to eBay International, Lorrie was president and CEO of Shopping.com, eBay's online comparison shopping business. She joined Shopping.com in June 2005 after spending four years at Intuit Inc. At Intuit, Lorrie first served as Intuit's Executive Vice President of small businesses and personal finance, where she led the company's QuickBooks, Small Business Services, Payroll, and Quicken brands. She then was a member of the office of the CEO, responsible for operations, verticals and all non-US businesses.
Before joining Intuit, Lorrie spent 20 years at GE in a variety of global roles in the information services, medical systems, industrial systems and financial services businesses. Most recently Lorrie served as President and CEO of GE FANUC, a global manufacturing automation solutions business.
Lorrie holds a BS in Business Administration from the University of Maryland and an MBA from the Harvard Business School. She is on the Advisory Board of the Catalyst Group.
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