How much is a 1977 Yankees team auto....

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 4:52AM

I have a 1977 Yankees team autographed baseball. All the sigs are on there except for Reggie Jackson which I found odd. The Munson is exceptional, maybe a PSA/DNA 9, the rest are between an 8 and 9...Any thoughts on what this might go for? I will post scans later today when my wife gets back with the camera.

Ironmanfan · August 23, 2008 5:10AM

a picture would go a long way as to determining value (AOL ball?, condition?, toning, etc). Out of curiosity, what makes you think it's a 1977? A picture would also show whether or not it's one of those facsimile/stamped souvneir balls we see often which carry very little value for the most part...

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 5:24AM

The casing holding the ball says 1977 and the owner lived in the Bronk and got the ball himself. I matched all the names to the 77 team and they were correct other then missing Reggie. I can assure you this ball is not a printed item. The autos are done in deep blue pen and are in NM/MT state. I'm temped to scan the damn thing...I'll post one in a few!

Ironmanfan · August 23, 2008 5:39AM

<< The casing holding the ball says 1977 and the owner lived in the Bronk and got the ball himself. I matched all the names to the 77 team and they were correct other then missing Reggie. I can assure you this ball is not a printed item. The autos are done in deep blue pen and are in NM/MT state. I'm temped to scan the damn thing...I'll post one in a few! >>

OK, looking forward to seeing the scans....This wasn't the guy who got it from washing cars/shoveling snow, etc? (I remember seeing a bogus ball with that background story on one of the boards)

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 5:54AM

So scanning a baseball is like swimming upstream...not to mention the casing is dirty! Here is the first side scan, kind of hard to tell though. I'll try a higher resolution.

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:03AM

Looks like a facsimile auto to me.

Steve

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 6:06AM

Here is a scan that is done in high resolution...it doesn't even come close to what the ink really looks like. Well here it is anyways and I think PSA/DNA is a no brainer if I want to get top dollar. Just was wondering on value if it were graded.

Allen · August 23, 2008 6:10AM

<< Looks like a facsimile auto to me. >>

My first reaction also. But that is a horrible scan so I won't pass judgement just yet.

sinnbadd · August 23, 2008 6:11AM

That appears to be a reproduction to me. Not my area of experise, but the signatures all look the same in regard to ink quality. just my opinion. Jeff

lawnmowerman · August 23, 2008 6:12AM

<< and the owner lived in the Bronk >>

Being that the owner lived out of his truck, I doubt that it's real.

Although I have picked up some nice audio equipment most likely from the same dude.

Good luck!

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 6:15AM

Why would Reggies sig not be on the ball if it were a repo?

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:19AM

Perhaps it is a 76?

Steve

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:20AM

FWIW Doyle Alexander DID NOT play for the 77 Yankees.

he pitched for the 76 Team.

Steve

SDSportsFan · August 23, 2008 6:22AM

I agree that this ball looks like a facsimile. Telltale signs are the matching ink throughout, and all the autographs are neatly spaced and the same size.

Steve

SDSportsFan · August 23, 2008 6:25AM

<< FWIW Doyle Alexander DID NOT play for the 77 Yankees.

he pitched for the 76 Team.

Steve >>

Good catch!!

He was traded to the Yankees on June 15th, 1976, from the Orioles. Then on November 23rd, 1976, he signed as a free agent with the Rangers. That explains why Reggie isn't on it, since he was with the Orioles in 1976, and didn't sign with the Yankees until November 29th, 1976.

Steve

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:26AM

It is a 1976 facsimile ball that was bought/sold later in the 76 season.

Alexander was traded to the Yanks during the season.

Nice item.

Worth 10.00? Maybe 20.00?

Steve

DrJ · August 23, 2008 6:28AM

Definitely a fake reproduction. Worth probably 15-20 bucks to a Yankees fan.

dontippet · August 23, 2008 6:30AM

Taking a picture would give a better perspective, but so far I agree with the majority. I remember in the mid 80's seeing balls similar to this with all of the Cardinals sigs on it. A great item to have, but not an original. Just my opinion.

Allen · August 23, 2008 6:31AM

Look at it this way, we saved you SEVERAL hundred bucks you would have donated to PSA/DNA.

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:32AM

I have a question, anyone that would have that ball in hand would know that it was a fake,
Anyone that has an auto ball (even if a cube) says 1977 tries to narrow down the date
After we help this guy out he disappears without even a 'yeah I see that'

Was this a scam try? Does anyone know this guy?

Steve

edit: fake is not the correct word, I should say faux, Facsimile or repro.

Still the question remains.

The way this guy left bothers me, he was online while we were 'helping' him
save PSA DNA fees.

lawnmowerman · August 23, 2008 6:35AM

<< I have a question, anyone that would have that ball in hand would know that it was a fake,
Anyone that has an auto ball (even if a cube) says 1977 tries to narrow down the date
After we help this guy out he disappears without even a 'yeah I see that'

Was this a scam try? Does anyone know this guy?

Steve >>

I thought it was scam from the start.

SDSportsFan · August 23, 2008 6:36AM

Another indicator of the ball being a facsimile is the direction of the Dock Ellis and Les Moss autographs. Players nearly always sign a baseball in the way the Catfish Hunter signature is on this one. When you see several "autographs" going in the direction that the Ellis and Moss are on this one, you can pretty much go with the likelihood that it is not a genuine autographed ball.

Steve

Ironmanfan · August 23, 2008 6:38AM

I knew (unfortunately) it had to be a facsimile ball......Alexander was traded to the Yankees in a mid season trade in '76 from Baltimore

Allen · August 23, 2008 6:39AM

He knew enough to grade the signatures PSA/DNA 8's and 9's but couldn't tell they were real ink. Besides should a facsimile ball be all 10 autos haha.

Cokin75 · August 23, 2008 6:40AM

Like others said, definitely a fake stadium souvenir ball. The signature direction on these balls is always a giveaway for me. Lots of people get snowed on these balls on eBay when sellers make obviously false statements like "When I was 10 years old, my dad caught the ball, then had the whole team sign it for me".

nam812 · August 23, 2008 6:47AM

<< ......I can assure you this ball is not a printed item. The autos are done in deep blue pen and are in NM/MT state....... >>

That assurance, and a token, will just barely get me on the subway.

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 6:49AM

Yet from 1000 miles away and from a crappy scan I saw that it was a facsimile and not even a 77 ball.

Steve

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 6:55AM

Steve- I have been on a few threads with you over the past few years. Enough to know you like to stir up trouble. A little research of my user name on your part could have avoided an unnecessary post. I am offering up the most info and best pics (via scanner) at my finger tips. My intent was to get feedback from board members on the value of the ball if graded by PSA/DNA. Because of the scanner, the authenticity has now been questioned. Perhaps it is a reprint. The same gentlemen who gave me this ball has given me many other authentic Yankee stuff but also a fake Ruth AUTO with a bogus COA. He did mention his son gave it to him and was not sure of the quality. I have tix stubs from the 52 WS and a personalized Bobby Richardson auto pic written to him, dozens of NYY game programs, 49 Bowman NYY cards...well enough to know all his stuff isn't bogus. I hope this explanation passes the "Steve Meter".

Mike

jimq112 · August 23, 2008 6:58AM

I don't think he's a scammer, I think he knows a little but not a lot.

My guess is he's a thrift/antique/flea market kind of a store in Vermont who sells things on consignment and takes the consigner's word for everything.

Probably a big guy, heavy smoker, tells people they "can't afford" something all the time. Knows what stuff is worth after looking at Beckett, completely disregarding things like centering. His stuff is "high end" but when he's buying it's kind of rough and not worth much.

He probably took the ball on consignment as a real one and when it was shown to be fake he's gone for a while. Couple weeks ago he had a bad Ruth signed photo with a weak COA.

He'll be back, like a bad penny.

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 7:00AM

Mike

First off I simply was asking a question, I did not say this was a scam.

The forum has been scammed many a times with situations just like this.

I can't remember everyone that drops by here. I meant no disrespect.

I agree with you though I do like to stir up trouble.

Steve

Ironmanfan · August 23, 2008 7:00AM

<< Perhaps it is a reprint..

Mike >>

Mike:

no need for even "perhaps"

Allen · August 23, 2008 7:02AM

Jim that was funny.

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 7:03AM

Because of the scanner, the authenticity has now been questioned. Perhaps it is a reprint.

Mike the scanner has nothing to do with it. IT IS a facsimile and it is not a 77.

Hope that helps.

Steve

Ironmanfan · August 23, 2008 7:03AM

Why doesn't anyone ever come on this board with "I have a 1981 Oakland A's ball, and can see Mike Norris and Wayne Gross but can't find Shooty Babbit's name on it anywhere?" It's always the high profile team, high profile names with great stories.......

WinPitcher · August 23, 2008 7:05AM

lol

Steve

SDSportsFan · August 23, 2008 7:08AM

<< Why doesn't anyone ever come on this board with "I have a 1981 Oakland A's ball, and can see Mike Norris and Wayne Gross but can't find Shooty Babbit's name on it anywhere?" It's always the high profile team, high profile names with great stories....... >>

Just when I thought we were headin' downhill, you come in and save the day!!!

Steve

mnstortuga · August 23, 2008 7:10AM

I don't think he's a scammer, I think he knows a little but not a lot.

My guess is he's a thrift/antique/flea market kind of a store in Vermont who sells things on consignment and takes the consigner's word for everything.

Probably a big guy, heavy smoker, tells people they "can't afford" something all the time. Knows what stuff is worth after looking at Beckett, completely disregarding things like centering. His stuff is "high end" but when he's buying it's kind of rough and not worth much.

He probably took the ball on consignment as a real one and when it was shown to be fake he's gone for a while. Couple weeks ago he had a bad Ruth signed photo with a weak COA.

He'll be back, like a bad penny.

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Holy S&^*, you must have been an FBI profiler or something. Heavy set and a smoker...right to a "T". I actually do live in VT and my wife and I own a consignment store LOL although I primary business is golf course construction/renovation. It is just not that great of a business these days. I have been a member of CU for over 3 years and primarily collect vintage baseball cards. I have relied on fellow board members for advice many times. Please notice that the "Ruth Auto" is not on eBay nor is this NYY Team ball. We are the type who do research before we sell. Everyone makes mistakes and we limit ours by asking when we don't know the answer.

Thank you all who have helped in the past!

Mike

Stone193 · August 23, 2008 1:49PM

Mike

I concur with those who believe the ball has "stamped" sigs - just take a loupe to the sigs - they won't have a hint of pen indentation and will just not have the "feel" of signed balls.

Even tho there's loads of them around - it's still a nice collectible that's sold at the stadium - my favorite is still the team pins that were a dime.

mike

grote15 · August 23, 2008 2:22PM

Definitely a stamped ball. Not even close, even with the bad scan.

Hope you didn't pay more than a few bucks for this one. If so, I'd want a refund.

BunchOBull · August 23, 2008 2:32PM

Well, on a similar note, a co-work is bringing me a bunch of balls to check out for him...all Angels stuff...he says he knows a lot of them are facimilies, but his father was a marketing guy for the ball club and knows some are authentic. I'll take pictures when I can.

TNTonPMS · August 23, 2008 10:53PM

Without question a facsimile baseball , a souvenir you can buy at the stadium .

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