Do these (2) scans look like fakes? I think so!

rbdjr1 · July 25, 2008 3:00PM

These look like fake scans, anyone agree with me?

I emailed seller, and asked if I win an item, can I pick it up and pay cash (as I live by the seller's listed location: South Florida!). Have not heard from the seller yet!

Here are the (2) ebay links to these "so-called" PSA 10 auctions:

1960 Topps George Hay (Hockey) PSA 10

1972 Topps Bob Lanier PSA 10

rd

(Notice the psa letters on the label. Looks like they are off the label?)

lawnmowerman · July 25, 2008 3:07PM

Yes. They look very suspect to me. The flips show signs of photoshopping. The seller only has one feedback as well.

bsidegrve · July 25, 2008 3:11PM

Well they did use the word "Wow" in the auction. They must be real!

storm888 · July 25, 2008 3:13PM

"Notice the psa letters on the label. Looks like they are off the label?)"

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YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Elemenopeo · July 25, 2008 3:13PM

Those scans scream, 'Stay away.'

detroitfan2 · July 25, 2008 3:14PM

Forget the cards, rjdjr1, long time no hear. Where the heck have you been and how the heck are you?

lawnmowerman · July 25, 2008 3:14PM

<< <i>Well they did use the word "Wow" in the auction. They must be real!

>>

L@@K!!

rbdjr1 · July 25, 2008 3:19PM

<< <i>Forget the cards, rjdjr1, long time no hear. Where the heck have you been and how the heck are you? >>

Thanks for asking! I'm doing ok!

rd

P.S. Recently returned from Las Vegas. I won a seat online and played in some WSOP poker events (World Series of Poker) in Vegas. (I lost! LOL!). I also won a seat to play in a poker tourney in Macau (China) beginning Sept 1st! Should be fun, as I've never been to Macau.

stevek · July 25, 2008 3:20PM

Pasted off another forum after Googling his e-mail listed on the auction:

Looking for Medical Manufactures or a Sales position in the Colombian market
Posted by: Joseph T. Montoya (Host IP Logged)
Date: July 13, 2008 07:28PM

Looking for Medical Manufactures or a Sales position in the Colombian market. I am American, I live in Medellin were I have lived for three years. I have over 17 years in Capital Medical Sales; I have been a district manager and sales representative. The products that I have represented are Critical Care Monitoring and ventilators in Respiratory Care. I know the Colombian market and can add great value to your marketing and Sales Strategy to permeate the market in South America. Please email me or call
Joseph T. Montoya Miami Local # 305 396 4488 SKYPE – southamericamedicine joseph@southamericamedicine.com

grote15 · July 25, 2008 5:44PM

Another dirtbag thief...

PoppaJ · July 25, 2008 9:49PM

Hopefully none of the Registry guys go nuts over the Hay card since it's the only PSA 10 graded so far (which the seller fails to mention!) (which, if he had half a brain, he would know that by just mentioning it being the ONLY PSA 10, the card would probably fetch a much higher final price!)

No Registry owners have this card listed in their sets.

This seller has had a few other auctions pulled by eBay in the past month.

Maybe, he's trying to pay off his new Dell computer that he recently won on eBay.

Looks like a friendly email is in order to the unlucky winner in a couple of hours!

PoppaJ · July 26, 2008 12:31AM

PSA only has 1 PSA 10 72 Lanier listed in the POP report, but here's another one I found that was sold last year ... Cert #90238440.

Am I not seeing something right????

PoppaJ

11235813 · July 26, 2008 2:24AM

PSA has to do something about their flips.

It's getting way too easy for people to make good fakes.

storm888 · July 26, 2008 3:03AM

<< <i>PSA has to do something about their flips.

It's getting way too easy for people to make good fakes. >>

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If CLCT wants to protect its brands, it is going to have to get
involved in VeRO and start defending itself. Its failure to do so
is not well serving its collectors and investors.

The investment by CLCT in the process would be TINY. A simple
"tip form" can be placed on this site. When a tipster sends info,
a multi-tasking CLCT employee would look at the listing and, if
warranted, send the take-down command.

The equivalent of "reasonable suspicion," devloped in good-faith,
is all that is required to perform an action-proof take-down. The
risk of litigation for "mistakes" is ZERO.

Under VeRO, offending listings are removed within minutes; not
the DAYS that it now takes for EBAY-T&S to act.

CLCT better listen to somebody who knows something about
this issue, before it is too late.

Tvac897 · July 26, 2008 3:04AM

yes

11235813 · July 26, 2008 4:48AM

Storm,

Its not just that they have to protect their brands....they've got to make/provide a better product. That's why they lost me (and many others) as a customer.

So far just this week we've had threads involving faked flips, cards being damaged during the grading process, and possibly tampered holders, never mind the numerous threads each week from people unhappy with their grades.

For their business to be successful, they've got to be able to answer two simple questions with a 100% guaranteed "Yes":

1) When I buy a card in a PSA holder am I getting the card that was sent in and graded by PSA?
2) When I send in a card to PSA will it be accurately graded?

Right now, both of those are iffy propositions at best, which is why a lot of people are losing confidence in PSA graded cards.

When people are paying you to make the fine distinctions in condition which often change a card's value by hundreds of dollars, you better be getting it right!

I always find it funny that everyone on here says to buy the card, not the holder, which since I mostly buy raw is what I do anyway. If you can't trust the grade on the holder and are going to form your own opinion on the condition of a card, then why the heck send it in to PSA in the first place?

rbdjr1 · July 29, 2008 5:28AM

I received an email from the high bidder/winner of the so-called 1960 Topps George Hay PSA 10. A nice guy from Canada, named Drew.

Drew feels it will take a little longer for this card to be delivered to Canada.

I didn't want to "burst his bubble", so I just wished him good luck with this rare card, and to "keep in touch" with me just in case, in the unlikely event that he doesn't receive the card.

LOL (I hope we all got this one wrong Drew, ....well lots of luck!!!)

rd

fandango · July 29, 2008 6:24AM

<< <i>PSA has to do something about their flips.

It's getting way too easy for people to make good fakes. >>

did you see the web site by Kevin? he describes in full detail how to make fake flips.....

Do these (2) scans look like fakes? I think so!

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