My first grading experience with PSA

philipjgolden · June 25, 2008 1:05PM

so, sent in 6 cards and it is just mind-bending.

I sent a 1967 Mantle and a 1970 Munson. The Munson CLEARLY the nicer card. Better centering, cleaner back, etc. Both come back as 7. Confused? YES!
I sent in 3 Fleer 1986 basketball cards, all in more or less pristine condition. 2 come back 8.5, one 7. Confused? YES!

anyway care to comment on this? your experience is welcome!

storm888 · June 25, 2008 1:07PM

They often see stuff we don't.

bobbybakeriv · June 25, 2008 1:15PM

First submissions can be very frustrating. There are likely little things on the cards that you didn't notice. Did you use magnification and a good light source when reviewing? It is a learning process but don't give up based on your first sub. You will get better.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 1:15PM

Scans would help us decide if you missed something or are just mental.

Really though, post some scans so we can check them out.

tennesseebanker · June 25, 2008 1:17PM

philipjgolden · June 25, 2008 1:42PM

thanks. will do with scans after they arrive in mail. i just got the email from them today.

RawPlusSlabbed · June 25, 2008 1:46PM

<< so, sent in 6 cards and it is just mind-bending.

I sent a 1967 Mantle and a 1970 Munson. The Munson CLEARLY the nicer card. Better centering, cleaner back, etc. Both come back as 7. Confused? YES!
I sent in 3 Fleer 1986 basketball cards, all in more or less pristine condition. 2 come back 8.5, one 7. Confused? YES!

anyway care to comment on this? your experience is welcome! >>

Many new submitters have a very false sense of grading. Some thing that one must understand when submitting:

1. Grading is relatively subjective.
2. Grading is not that consistent.
3. Resubmissions are a large part of company revenue.

CDsNuts · June 25, 2008 1:48PM

phil- What would you grade this card?

jswieton · June 25, 2008 1:59PM

I would love to have that card in that condition

bobbybakeriv · June 25, 2008 2:03PM

10 ST PD

Just kidding...

Creative heuristic Lee! I like it.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 1:20AM

well, assuming that the discoloration on the black part is part of card and not the scan, it's a 5 or 6. the ones i sent in (not jordan), were much better than that. i held back one that was better than that. thanks

billwaltonsbeard · June 26, 2008 1:23AM

1986 fleers are tougher than alot of people think.

Leiascards · June 26, 2008 1:29AM

Just think of the story of Larry Fristch when he had alot of the cards in his collection graded. From what I have heard him and his son were ready to fight the graders.

Most first submissions are tough. Sometimes even veteran submitters have trouble.

DavidPuddy · June 26, 2008 1:32AM

psa 7
chaz

BobaFett72 · June 26, 2008 1:32AM

CD, is that considered o/c top to bottom on the jordan; looks like an easy 7.

billwaltonsbeard · June 26, 2008 1:38AM

I would say that MJ would be a 6, maybe a 7. The right egde has some chipping, which loses a grade. I've had literally dozens of 86 fleers with 4 pristine corners, no worse than 65/35 centering come back 8s because of chipped edges.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 1:48AM

well, i have magic and dominique coming back as 8.5 and dr. J 7 (this is the one that pissed me off). anyone interested in these before i ebay 'em, send me a PM.

RipublicaninMass · June 26, 2008 1:51AM

reprint

Leiascards · June 26, 2008 2:06AM

<< reprint >>

That is what I was thinking.

stown · June 26, 2008 2:15AM

Don't think it's a reprint because the flag's color is different than the banner.

But what do I know..

otwcards · June 26, 2008 2:28AM

<< phil- What would you grade this card?

>>

Assuming it isn't a counterfeit (hard to tell from the scan) I would think it would grade either a PSA 8 (PD) or a straight PSA 7 depending upon the mood of the grader. I'd be happier with the PSA 7, obviously.

CDsNuts · June 26, 2008 2:33AM

I'm surprised the OP said 5 or 6. The card came back a 7 and it was graded pretty accurately, but my point in bringing it up is that this would have been considered mint by 80s-90s grading standards and most new submitters can't understand how this card wouldn't be a 9 or an 8 at worst. I'm curious to see scans when the OP gets them back.

psafan · June 26, 2008 2:37AM

we have some real experts on these boards

dizzle · June 26, 2008 2:45AM

<< 

<< reprint >>

That is what I was thinking. >>

Nope..Not even close picture is too bold and strong. The reprints are grainy with weak black lines.

CDsNuts · June 26, 2008 3:06AM

btw- almost none of the Jordan fakes are OC.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 3:34AM

when i get Dr. J back, i'll scan. My thought is that it was a lot better than this Jordan and graded a 7. Confusing!

HighChopper · June 26, 2008 3:45AM

How's 'bout this one?

MeteoriteGuy · June 26, 2008 3:46AM

PSA 8

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 3:48AM

Found scans I did before sending. hopefully quality of scan okay to get an idea

Here is the Mantle and Munson that both got graded the same (7) and my opin is that Munson is the better card. Thoughts.
Here is the Dr. J that came back 7, which I thought was very low. Thoughts?

Thanks

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 3:55AM

Okay, while we're at it, any of these worth grading? I mean for selling. Are any of these good enough to warrant the time and money to grade? After my first group, I'm not sure. 57s aren't weridly colorored, btw. That's the scanner. Thanks!

VitoCo1972 · June 26, 2008 4:01AM

The 67 Mantle was lucky to get a 7. The Munson all depends on what the spot next to the S in Rookie Stars is. Can't really see the edges on the Dr J.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 4:04AM

okay, just one more group. thanks.

HighChopper · June 26, 2008 4:15AM

Gwynn looks solid. Some severe centering issues on the others.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 4:23AM

thanks for that. question regarding the 57s - basically, i need 7s to increase value, from what i can see on Ebay. Chance of that or wasting my money? thanks.
i see what you mean on the printing spot on munson. maybe that's what killed it.

CDsNuts · June 26, 2008 4:51AM

I agree that you were lucky to pull a 7 on the Mantle- looks 6ish to me. The Munson has touched corners all around, the print spot next to the S and 3 small fisheyes, so I think a 7 is accurate even though centering is very nice. The Dr. J is perplexing, so my guess is that you might've missed something like a bent corner or surface flaw. Also, on the 86 Fleer sometimes the ink on the back bleeds and gets real smudgy, so that could be it too.

On the others, I would prbobably grade the Gwynn and the Wilhelm if the corners are sharp- the others look like 6s and 5s to me.

Nice cards overall- don't let the grades get you down.

philipjgolden · June 26, 2008 5:05AM

When Dr. J gets back I'll look again. As for the Munson, corners maybe better than scan? I dunno. Gonna let that one go.
I guess I'll sell the others ungraded, but the Ford and Martin do seem to do a lot better than Raw if 6s and better. Bauer I have no idea. Very sharp other than centering. Otherwise, it'll go for 3 bux on ebay, which is a drag.

Anywhere better to sell cards than Ebay?

Leiascards · June 26, 2008 9:46AM

Here is a Gwynn that came back an 8 for reference. The centering on yours is better.

grote15 · June 26, 2008 9:52AM

Always difficult to objectively grade your own acrds when submitting. You'll get better with experience. Centering is usually the issue you overlook at first.

philipjgolden · June 27, 2008 2:05AM

thanks for that reference. looks like there is no premium except for 10s. I kind of doubt mine is given my experience with the fleer basketball. not sure what to do with that one.

My first grading experience with PSA

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