Ever had an Ebay buyer who was so stupid???

billwaltonsbeard · June 25, 2008 3:02AM

Recently I was selling two PSA 9 Michael Jordan cards. 1989 Fleer and 1990 Fleer AS. I scanned a pic of both of them together and used the same pic on both auctions. The title of each auction referred to only 1 card. In the item description I advised that the auction was for the card in the title only. So I get an email from the guy who purchased the 90 Fleer AS asking me where the other card was. He is a new Ebayer, so I responded back letting him know that the auction was for just the 90 F AS card. So I just get his response with him basically saying that I was trying to con him by using a pic of two cards to sell one. He's asking if I have another 1989 Fleer MJ for him, so that "he doesn't have to leave me negative feedback".
This is infuriating me.

clydecoolidge · June 25, 2008 3:05AM

There was a discussion about this a little bit ago. I don't use multi-pics in my auctions and have no problem with them, but with the new buyer protection, you might consider abondoning this practice.

pandrews · June 25, 2008 3:09AM

i've had buyers more stupid than that.

i just use one picture per auction..

also, you have an awesome username.

KbKards · June 25, 2008 3:35AM

It has to happen often enough that I'm surprised Ebay still allows it. You complicated the listing by requiring somebody to read and you caught somebody not paying attention. Sure it's his fault but now you've got a problem you have to deal with. You also have to consider that the bid he figured was for 2 cards not 1 so in his mind he overpaid because he only got 1 card.

billwaltonsbeard · June 25, 2008 3:41AM

I just really resent the fact that this guy is accusing me of purposefully trying to con people. There are enough actual cons going on on Ebay, that the slightest mention of that word is very inflammatory and has to be taken seriously. He needs to just own up to the fact that he didn't read the item description, or pay attention to the title of the auction.

clayshooter22 · June 25, 2008 3:43AM

I don't know why people can't read????

I sell all individual cards and use pictures of 4, everytime. I have never had a single issue with someone wanting all 4 cards. Never. Not once. People sell individual cards with pics of multiple cards at least 25% of the time or more.

People need to read what they are buying. It is not your fault if you clearly mention "bidding on card in title only." EBay should retract any neg you might get from this idoit.

Mike

billwaltonsbeard · June 25, 2008 3:47AM

Jordan Auction

Here's a link to the auction, in case anyone is curious

Elemenopeo · June 25, 2008 3:55AM

<< also, you have an awesome username. >>

I'll second that... But you should have an avatar to go with it!

billwaltonsbeard · June 25, 2008 3:58AM

<< 

<< also, you have an awesome username. >>

I'll second that... But you should have an avatar to go with it!

>>

thank you. I agree...I'll get to work on that.

digicat · June 25, 2008 4:31AM

The buyer's an idiot, but unfortunatly you've still got a problem on your hands.

In the future, don't do the multiple scan thing and you'll avoid this issue all together.

storm888 · June 25, 2008 4:33AM

"...EBay should retract any neg you might get from this idoit."

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They might.

In general, they will now remove NEGs that were left following a demand
made on the seller buy the buyer to "provide goods or services that were
not offered in the listing."

Since only one card was offered in the listing, the prospective/likely NEG
should be removed.

I would NOT have further communication with the buyer. There is not a
vote in it.

This problem is happening more since the new FB scheme was implemented.
I use single images, but if I was listing thousands of cards, I would still
likely consider using multiple images. ALL longtime buyers know how the
image system works; they know to read the listing.

MANY of the ZERO-FB users are NOT new. They are scamsters with new IDs,
attempting to steal from sellers.

otwcards · June 25, 2008 4:51AM

I wish that eBay would allow for increasing the feedback threshold in the bidder requirements to 10 or more. The current max is 5. Granted, you can block bidders with NPB, Policy Violations, and other strikes as well as Negative Feedback, but I think in some cases, sellers would be better off being able to avoid newbies that aren't really newbies.

BobaFett72 · June 25, 2008 5:54AM

people are generally stupid and dont read titles very well. I think the multi-picture causes more headaches than its worth.

leathtech · June 25, 2008 6:00AM

<< people are generally stupid and dont read titles very well. I think the multi-picture causes more headaches than its worth. >>

I agree take the extra time and scan each one... 90% of the time everything will gone fine but for the 10% it doesn't it's just not worth it.

Tedw9 · June 25, 2008 6:53AM

You don't need to scan each card seperately, you just need to crop the other card out of the picture. Make one scan, crop it two times. This will save you from idiots like that bidding on your items without reading.

BTW, love the avatar, Beavis and Butthead rock!

Tabe · June 25, 2008 7:38AM

To answer the question in the subject:

Yes.

I had a guy pay me something like 7 times for the same item. I accidentally relisted an item that I had already sold months earlier. The item sold a second time and the buyer paid promptly. When I went to dig out the card to ship - not there. I looked around and then realized what had happened. So I refunded the buyer with an explanation. He paid again. I refunded again. He paid again. I refunded again. He paid again, asking "I don't understand why you don't have the card? (even though I'd explained multiple times). This went on 6 or 7 times. Finally the guy got the message and stopped paying. Miraculously, I did not receive a neg from the guy.

Oh yeah, the card in question was like $6. It's not like I was pulling one of those "disappointed with the price so the card is no longer available" deals. I legit didn't have it.

Tabe

detroitfan2 · June 25, 2008 8:29AM

We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who likes to run this same scam where he shows multiple cards on his listings but only sends you one card when you win. He seems to think it is legitimate because he puts "you are only bidding on the card in the title" in big letters in his listing. He also has a large collection of photographs of 1/2 naked men.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 8:37AM

billsbeard, sorry you are having this problem.

I almost had a similiar issue recently but the fool ended up being outbid, so I got lucky.

It's a shame stupid people have to ruin things but what are you gonna do?

To answer your question, I had a guy just last week ask me where his card was that he won from me. He paid me on the 17th, I shipped it that same day. I got an email on the 19th from him wondering where his card was

People are dumb.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 8:38AM

<< We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who likes to run this same scam where he shows multiple cards on his listings but only sends you one card when you win. He seems to think it is legitimate because he puts "you are only bidding on the card in the title" in big letters in his listing. He also has a large collection of photographs of 1/2 naked men. >>

Thanks for the laugh Tom

nam812 · June 25, 2008 8:39AM

<< We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who likes to run this same scam......... >>

I can't think of three people that like him.

stown · June 25, 2008 8:47AM

<< 

<< We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who likes to run this same scam......... >>

I can't think of three people that like him. >>

Well, I do and so does LMMW, so that's at least two.

Hi Matt.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 8:48AM

<< 

<< We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who likes to run this same scam......... >>

I can't think of three people that like him. >>

My mom, dad and myself. Remember Nick, learning to love yourself is the greateset love of all.

nam812 · June 25, 2008 8:56AM

<< ....learning to love yourself is the greateset love of all. >>

Sung by Sexual chocolate with Jackson Heights' own Mr. Randy Watson.

Leiascards · June 25, 2008 9:11AM

<< I wish that eBay would allow for increasing the feedback threshold in the bidder requirements to 10 or more. The current max is 5. Granted, you can block bidders with NPB, Policy Violations, and other strikes as well as Negative Feedback, but I think in some cases, sellers would be better off being able to avoid newbies that aren't really newbies. >>

That would solve NOTHING.. I have had more problems with buyers of 25 or greater FB than less than that. All that would do is cause them to build their FB a little with cheap auctions before going in for the kill.

stown · June 25, 2008 9:19AM

I think the moral of the story is: If you sell relatively inexpensive items, expect a headache from Buyers.

Leiascards · June 25, 2008 9:22AM

<< I think the moral of the story is: If you sell relatively inexpensive items, expect a headache from Buyers. >>

Yup. Most buyers are great, but the sheer volume of whiney crybaby buyers seems to come from buyers who spend less than 10.00. These are the first to cry that you are trying to rip them off. They are also the fastest to leave bad feedback EVEn if you correct the situation.

stown · June 25, 2008 9:24AM

<< 

<< I think the moral of the story is: If you sell relatively inexpensive items, expect a headache from Buyers. >>

Yup. Most buyers are great, but the sheer volume of whiney crybaby buyers seems to come from buyers who spend less than 10.00. These are the first to cry that you are trying to rip them off. They are also the fastest to leave bad feedback EVEn if you correct the situation. >>

Unfortunately, you are absolutely correct, especially with eBay's new scheme.

Either adjust to the new rules or don't play the game.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 9:29AM

<< 

<< ....learning to love yourself is the greateset love of all. >>

Sung by Sexual chocolate with Jackson Heights' own Mr. Randy Watson. >>

Actually I was going for Whitney Houston.

You think of men first, I think of women. It's okay though, we're all the same on the inside........homo.

nam812 · June 25, 2008 9:36AM

<< You think of men first, I think of women. It's okay though, we're all the same on the inside........homo. >>

At least my wife doesn't have to get me drunk to enjoy me.

jrinck · June 25, 2008 9:39AM

I usually read the descriptions, and even if I DON'T read them, I know the auction is most likely for one card.

But the whole thng DOES kind of strike me as laziness on the seller's part.

When you see a box of spaghetti at the store, there isn't also a picture of rigatoni on it, too. If there was, I'd assume the box contained spaghetti AND rigatoni. Who cares what the fine print says. The picture is usually the first and only thing people focus on.

detroitfan2 · June 25, 2008 9:45AM

<>

We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who sells relatively inexpensive items. In fact, there's nothing relative about many of his items, they're just flat out inexpensive. Sometimes he'll show a picture of 4 inexpensive items but he'll only send you one of the items if you win the auction. Plus, he has an 8x10 of Bobby Brady on his dresser.

detroitfan2 · June 25, 2008 9:49AM

<<When you see a box of spaghetti at the store, there isn't also a picture of rigatoni on it, too. If there was, I'd assume the box contained spaghetti AND rigatoni. Who cares what the fine print says. The picture is usually the first and only thing people focus on.>>

We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who once bought this at the store. He was disappointed when all he got when he opened the box was cereal.

jrinck · June 25, 2008 9:52AM

<< 

We have a board member here (lawnmowerman) who once bought this at the store. He was disappointed when all he got when he opened the box was cereal.

>>

My box had Emmitt in it. I suspect his box was searched and resealed before being put back on the shelf.

lawnmowerman · June 25, 2008 9:53AM

That is great Tom!

Brick · June 25, 2008 9:55AM

i would't say E-bay buyers are stupid. however if they return to school, study hard, get quality tutoring they can work their way up to stupid.

WinPitcher · June 25, 2008 10:19AM

You mean I am not getting both of those cards?

Steve

fkw · June 25, 2008 11:00AM

Items in picture should be in the auction (especially true with the thumbnail pic). No excuse for being lazy (multi card scans) or trying to promote other auctions. I guess your calling me stupid too

..... Many bidders including myself have had that happen to them. Some auctions are so full of useless info (bios of the players, shipping $$ lists, sob stories, etc.) that its not easy to go through all the print to find the "only item in description is included". I look at 1000+ auctions a day....... spend about 10-30 seconds on an auction at most, and 90% is looking at the scan of the card.

IMO it is somewhat deceiving.

I have also won cards with the opposite type of deception. A couple weeks ago a seller had 33 cards in an auction and only picture 1 card. I got them for about 10% of their total value because everyone just skipped over the auction thinking it was for one overpriced card.

Here is an example of a seller too lazy to make a good auction (he would have left $$ on the table..... except now I basically outed it).
If youve got the dang camera out, why not just take a picture of the group of cards too, and take the Berra reference off the title. Someone scanning the list of auctions looking at the thumbnails will jump right past it...............
17 cards with one picture

gumbyfan · June 25, 2008 11:40AM

Regardless of the dumbing down that some folks on this board feel that sellers are obligated to do, here is what ebay says when you place a bid:

You are agreeing to a contract -- You will enter into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller if you're the winning bidder. You are responsible for reading the full item listing, including the seller's instructions and accepted payment methods. Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item.

The onus is on the buyer to read the auction description. Period.

Leiascards · June 25, 2008 11:42AM

Under the new system why give a buyer any more ammunition to use against the seller. I don't have a probelm with listing like that, but I personally don't like it when i am looking to bid and will not list that way.

billwaltonsbeard · June 25, 2008 11:54AM

"When you see a box of spaghetti at the store, there isn't also a picture of rigatoni on it, too. If there was, I'd assume the box contained spaghetti AND rigatoni. Who cares what the fine print says. The picture is usually the first and only thing people focus on."

Fine print?? How about the title of the auction??? Or to use your analogy, that would be the label on the box of spaghetti.

I guess I can empathize with people who can't seem to read and just look at pictures. When I was about 3 yrs old, I saw a big blue can on my mom's kitchen counter, with a picture of delicious chocolate chip cookies on the side of it. I was so puzzled when I finally got it open and all it had in it was a bunch of white, greasy gloopy crap. But at least my buyer has a 90 Fleer AS Jordan instead of a bunch of Crisco.

storm888 · June 25, 2008 11:54AM

Regardless of the dumbing down that some folks on this board feel that sellers are obligated to do, here is what ebay says when you place a bid:

You are agreeing to a contract -- You will enter into a legally binding contract to purchase the item from the seller if you're the winning bidder. You are responsible for reading the full item listing, including the seller's instructions and accepted payment methods. Seller assumes all responsibility for listing this item.

The onus is on the buyer to read the auction description. Period.

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I agree, but under the PayPal/credit-card scheme, there is virtually no
way to enforce "the contract" against the unwarranted SNAD-claim
that can result if the buyer/scamster is given an inch of weasel room.

A "confusing image" could be presented as "evidence" in a SNAD claim.
If the bots decide, the claim could/would/might prevail.

If baby-talk helps make a sale stick through buyer's remorse, it may be that
single images are the safest route.

WinPitcher · June 25, 2008 11:58AM

I guess I can empathize with people who can't seem to read and just look at pictures. When I was about 3 yrs old, I saw a big blue can on my mom's kitchen counter, with a picture of delicious chocolate chip cookies on the side of it. I was so puzzled when I finally got it open and all it had in it was a bunch of white, greasy gloopy crap. But at least my buyer has a 90 Fleer AS Jordan instead of a bunch of Crisco.

Damn that happened to me too!

Only thing is I ate some.

Steve

Ever had an Ebay buyer who was so stupid???

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