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Speculation on pop increases

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on where, say, 50's 60's and early 70's new high grade (PSA 9 or 10) graded cards come from these days. Like are they coming from 1) Unopened material 2) From folk's cards that they collected in the 80's or 90's that they've got lying around in their 8 or 9 pocket sheets 3) resubs or something else I'm not thinking of?

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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    From those folks that collected them at the time of release.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • proofer2proofer2 Posts: 186 ✭✭
    And their still holding on to them? Why would they have not graded them years ago? And why just now?
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Maybe they never intended to have them graded and they died and the next of kin is having them graded?

    Maybe they never intended to have them graded and now that they are selling they figure grading will get them
    more money?

    I just sold 10k worth of early 50's cards with scenario number 1.



    Steve
    Good for you.
  • proofer2proofer2 Posts: 186 ✭✭
    I appreciate your thoughts. I can understand that most of the high grade cards come from personal collections, but it seems that for one to have held those cards from the time of issue until now, he or she would have had to have an extreme amount of clairvoyance to realize the future value and keep the cards for that long in that kind of condition.

    Rick
  • digicatdigicat Posts: 8,551 ✭✭


    << <i>I appreciate your thoughts. I can understand that most of the high grade cards come from personal collections, but it seems that for one to have held those cards from the time of issue until now, he or she would have had to have an extreme amount of clairvoyance to realize the future value and keep the cards for that long in that kind of condition. >>



    About 5 or so years ago, I was in a serious relationship with this girl (serious enough for me to start hanging out with her folks). Her folks were pretty well off and just a little eccentric, and lived in a house that looked like a run down antique store. Dust and old stuff everywhere. I was talking baseball with her dad him at a dinner one night, and he asked me to take a look at his old cards, which was stored in paper bags and boxes, and hadn't been looked at since he was a kid. Lots of high grade cards, mostly from 56 - 60. He let me take the hoard to catalog and organize into proper storage means, and was pretty much floored by what I found. I told him exactly what he had, but he wasn't that impressed, and just thanked me for organizing the stuff for him and he put it back in his storage room. He said that he didn't have time to bother with this stuff, but since it was worth something, he might work it into his kids inheritance. Heh.


    Anyways, there's an example of someone who's sitting on a gold mine of cards, knows about it, but doesn't care enough to do anything about it.
    My Giants collection want list

    WTB: 2001 Leaf Rookies & Stars Longevity: Ryan Jensen #/25
  • There are still many dealers and collectors who refuse to have their cards graded. Some don't like the idea of someone else telling them how to grade a card, others just don't like it from the purists stance. One of the finest collection I have ever seen of vintage cards is raw and the guy gets pissed when you talk to him about getting it graded.

    There are lots of people who even though they know its worth money they could care less. Money means nothing to them.
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Some of the increases can be attributed to nefarious activity. See the Set Registry forum for more detail. See certain Ebay sellers for even more detail.




    RB
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Rick it may have nothing to do with future value. Some people collected back in the 50's did not play or flip
    the cards, got older, put the cards in the attic, mother did not throw them out etc.

    I am in a similar situation right now that fits this pattern, I have been selling a friends cards that he got from an aunt
    when his cousin died. Most notably was a 53 Mantle that I had graded (it graded a 6) and sold for just south of 2k.
    This find also yielded a 53 Bowman Mantle that graded 8OC, Believe me when I tell you that the stuff is out there.

    A 54 Banks (7) and Aaron (6) among a slew of 8OC's and a couple thousand of near mint commons.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    I personally invested years ago buying from people that were getting rid of their (Mint) sets at (now) very low prices. I was also hitting the local pawn shops looking for mint sets (definitely had to cough up a little more money there). Not including the unopened material i have hoarded... Now it's just a matter of time and funds to send all this stuff into PSA for grading. I know a few friends of mine that have alot more of the vintage stuff than i even have currently, not graded...and all clean stuff.
  • proofer2proofer2 Posts: 186 ✭✭
    Wow, this is all very interesting. I guess I'm an economist at heart, since I would imagine that given the tremendous returns I've seen over the last several years of buying and selling, I can't help but think that these "hidden hoards" wouldn't have played themselves out into the market. I suppose I've underestimated the "psychological" effect.....
  • chaz43chaz43 Posts: 2,140 ✭✭✭
    I know of an old time collector who has unbelievable stuff from 50's and 60's and alot of it. he held up a gem mint Yankees team card from 59'. I asked what he wanted for it, he said he wasn't selling it. He is not selling anything anytime soon. He's probably got a good 20 years left in him. He does NOT like grading. chaz
  • otwcardsotwcards Posts: 5,291 ✭✭✭


    << <i>nefarious activity >>



    Much more than many of us care to acknowledge!
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