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1952 topps baseball high series box controversy

i remember awhile back that a box of 1952 topps high numbers was sold through mastro. after that i heard that there was a controversy regarding the item. can anyone elaborate on the story? i am already aware of the immediate resale of the box through leland's auction house due to a sudden family illness with the original buyer. in particular i am curious as to the issues regarding these packs and mark murphy and gai controversy.

here is a link to the orignal mastro auction

1952 topps box

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Im giving this a BUMP in hopes that someone can give some info on this subject...
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    I guess that the one opened pack had "high-numbers" in it.

    How would a buyer KNOW that the other packs were from the same series?

    The "story" was fun puffery, but it would scare me away.

    The GAI issue would have also chased me away from such a large investment.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If one pack was opened, how are there still 24 graded packs? I would think that the opened pack could not be graded, leaving the box with 23 remaining "unopened" packs.
  • cohocorpcohocorp Posts: 1,371 ✭✭
    excellent point nick. i didnt catch that.
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    $181 k for a box?

    am i missing something or too lazy to read?

    j
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    RIP GURU
  • spazzyspazzy Posts: 592 ✭✭
    I think the second time around, it sold for much less. I think unopened stuff was at a peak back then...Many things were selling bigger bucks in unopened. Does anyone have that great picture of all the 1952 topps boxes in the Worlworths store in 1952? It is one of my favorites. It deserves to be in a frame...Spazzy
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    That's funny. I have asked this exact question three times here but never got a decent response (mainly because no one knew what took place). The buyer bought the box but then dumped it 5 weeks later, claiming medical problems. I still contend he saw something bad but what was it?
  • As requested...

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 31,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is the photo with some color added..


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  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $1.20 a box back then would get you $100,000+ now.
  • I'll take one for $1.20 if anyone still has one available. Kthxbai.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As requested...

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    Anybody got a time machine I could borrow?
  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Each one is original and undisturbed, and each one holds a potential wealth of Mantles and Robinsons, Mathews and Campanellas. We're sure that some of those "good guys" from the issue's 5th Series, and 6th Series "high numbers," are indeed inside these emotionally stirring, factory-fresh packages >>>

    My good guess is that the sellers knew exactly what they had and they in my opinion "knew" there weren't any high number cards in these waxpacks. More auction poetic language BS - what else is new?
  • I see approximately 160 unopened boxes. At 150k per box, that is $24 million worth of unopened boxes. Somewhere between 600 and 700 Mantle rookies if they are hi series. How much would about 250 PSA 9 or 10 Mantles be worth? My head is hurting.


  • << <i>...Somewhere between 600 and 700 Mantle rookies if they are hi series... >>



    If you look at the top left display the cards are the following:

    (left to right)

    top row
    #51 Jim Russell --- #52 Don Mueller --- #53 Chris Van Cuyk --- #54 Leo Kiely
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    second row
    #61Tookie Gilbert --- #62 Chuck Stobbs --- #63 Howie Pollet --- #64 Roy Sievers
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    third row
    #71 Tom Upton --- #72 Karl Olson --- #73 William Werle --- #74 Andy Hansen
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    fourth row
    #31 Gus Zernial --- #32 Eddie Robinson --- #33 Warren Spahn --- #34 Elmer Valo
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    The upper right picture shows:

    top row:
    #55 Ray Boone --- #56 Tommy Glaviano ---#57 Ed Lopat --- #58 Bob Mahoney
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    second row
    #65 Enos Slaughter --- #66 Preacher Roe --- #67 Allie Reynolds --- #68 Cliff Chambers
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    third row
    #75 Wes Westrum --- #76 Eddie Stanky --- #77 Bob Kennedy --- #78 Ellis Kinder
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    bottom row
    #35 Hank Sauer --- #36 Gil Hodges --- #37 Duke Snider --- #38 Wally Westlake
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    And the lower left display on the table:

    top row
    #53 Chris Van Cuyk --- #54 Leo Kiely --- #55 Ray Boone --- #56 Tommy Glaviano
    imageimageimageimage

    second row
    #63 Howie Pollet --- #64 Roy Sievers --- #65 Enos Slaughter --- #66 Preacher Roe
    imageimageimageimage


    I'm going to guess that the boxes are the low series. Unless of course they made just one display and kept it for the whole summer/fall through all the series runs.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...Unless of course they made just one display and kept it for the whole summer/fall through all the series runs. "

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    I am guessing so.

    We need a TOPPS historian to know for certain.
    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • SidePocketSidePocket Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭
    Great post Jeff and nice detective work

    "Molon Labe"

  • stevekstevek Posts: 30,303 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>...Somewhere between 600 and 700 Mantle rookies if they are hi series... >>



    If you look at the top left display the cards are the following:

    (left to right)

    top row
    #51 Jim Russell --- #52 Don Mueller --- #53 Chris Van Cuyk --- #54 Leo Kiely
    imageimageimageimage

    second row
    #61Tookie Gilbert --- #62 Chuck Stobbs --- #63 Howie Pollet --- #64 Roy Sievers
    imageimageimageimage

    third row
    #71 Tom Upton --- #72 Karl Olson --- #73 William Werle --- #74 Andy Hansen
    imageimageimageimage

    fourth row
    #31 Gus Zernial --- #32 Eddie Robinson --- #33 Warren Spahn --- #34 Elmer Valo
    imageimageimageimage


    The upper right picture shows:

    top row:
    #55 Ray Boone --- #56 Tommy Glaviano ---#57 Ed Lopat --- #58 Bob Mahoney
    imageimageimageimage

    second row
    #65 Enos Slaughter --- #66 Preacher Roe --- #67 Allie Reynolds --- #68 Cliff Chambers
    imageimageimageimage

    third row
    #75 Wes Westrum --- #76 Eddie Stanky --- #77 Bob Kennedy --- #78 Ellis Kinder
    imageimageimageimage

    bottom row
    #35 Hank Sauer --- #36 Gil Hodges --- #37 Duke Snider --- #38 Wally Westlake
    imageimageimageimage


    And the lower left display on the table:

    top row
    #53 Chris Van Cuyk --- #54 Leo Kiely --- #55 Ray Boone --- #56 Tommy Glaviano
    imageimageimageimage

    second row
    #63 Howie Pollet --- #64 Roy Sievers --- #65 Enos Slaughter --- #66 Preacher Roe
    imageimageimageimage


    I'm going to guess that the boxes are the low series. Unless of course they made just one display and kept it for the whole summer/fall through all the series runs. >>



    Great post!
  • mrpeanut39mrpeanut39 Posts: 841 ✭✭✭
    Does it get any better than that Zernial card? I think not.
    "I think the guy must be practicing voodoo or something. Check out his eyes. Rico's crazier than a peach orchard sow." -- Whitey Herzog, Spring Training 1973
  • Funny thing is I seen Preacher Roe at Shoney's just a while back. Still getting around pretty well, and a very nice man. A real class act. I think he was even more surprised that I recognized him.
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