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Does Sandy Koufax Sign at any shows??????
mickeymantle24
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I just sent a 61 Koufax and have a 55 topps koufax and was just wondering since he does not sign mcuch through the mail if he does any shows were he sgn at. I was just wondering. Also if he does shows do you guysknow how much he charges or an autograph????? Any help will be apprecated. Thanks Mike
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<< <i>I've heard recently it's $800 to have him sign a flat. >>
You would think these guys would have enough money that they do not have to charge so much just for an autograph. That is rediculous!!!!
I sent him one card and $20 dollars, do not think he will sign it. Worth a try!!!
Also do you know if he is signing at any shows still
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS
<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
As the great Willie Stargell once said about going up against Koufax " Trying to hit Koufax was like drinking coffee with a fork!" As usual Joe Stalin, you are out of your mind. chaz
Js
<< <i>dude had 87 losses! I guess a few players could drink coffee with a fork!
Js >>
You are talking about the most DOMINANT pitcher in the modern era. Give me a break. chaz
<< <i>dude had 87 losses! I guess a few players could drink coffee with a fork! >>
Compare Koufax to Pitcher A who pitched after the mound was lowered and against the DH his entire career...
Koufax: 165-87 (.655 winning percentage), 2.76 ERA, 2396 K's
Pitcher A: 170-91 (.651 winning percentage), 3.29 ERA, 1778 K's, 5 Gold Gloves.
Koufax' best season was 26-8, 2.04, 8 shutouts, 382 K's
Pitcher A's best season was 25-3, 1.74, 9 shutouts, 248 K's
While Koufax is widely regarded as the most dominant pitcher of the modern era during his peak, Pitcher A is never EVER mentioned in the same breath and gets laughed about when discussed for the Hall-of-Fame. Side by side, they compare quite equally, but . . .
BTW, Pitcher A still signs for free TTM (about a 50% success rate) and for around $35-40 when he does shows... One of my favorites Yankees of all-time, Pitcher A is Ron Guidry.
1962 14-7 2.54 E.R.A.
1963 25-5 1.88
1964 19-5 1.74
1965 26-8 2.04
1966 27-9 1.73
1967 retired at age 30 due to arthritic elbow
In his last 5 playing years Koufax had:
4 no hitters
5 E.R.A. titles
3 Cy Youngs
No one will ever know what kind of stats he would of put up if he didn't have to retire prematurely at age 30 due to his bad elbow but looking at his last 5 years it would have been scary.
Mike
Good argument on Louisiana Lightnin'. He came along when the A's really sucked and when I saw him pitch out here in Oakland it looked like he was facing a bunch of high school kids. Seven innings of Guidry and two of Lyle or Goose. Not a good night for the men in green and gold. I think I went to the only game he lost against the A's - Mickey Klutts hit a HR off the foul pole in the bottom of the ninth with a man on and the A's won 2-1. It was like they won the World Series (again).
Couple of things in Koufax favor though, hard to ignore those four no-hitters including the perfect game. His career cut short by an arthritic elbow so who knows how many more years he might have played. Also the league was smaller back then and the talent was not spread out among expansion teams. Also Koufax was supposedly a very humble and gracious man, certain loved by the sportswriters of the time, so his election was a shoo-in.
I would not argue against Guidry getting into the HOF, but there are others too who are deserving such as Thurman Munson and Lefty O'Doul who should be in there but are not because of technicalities.
<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Laughable? I'm sure you're kidding, but some might think you're serious
Sometimes stats are more accurate than opinions, sometimes not.
Career batting averages against Koufax.
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Stargell .087
Banks .173
FRobinson .233
Mazeroski .190
Mays .278
Brock .185
Rose .175
McCovey .143
Musial .306
Clemente .299
Santo .231
Cepeda .288
Ashburn .216
Joe Adcork .196
Koufax wasn't the pitcher that made those guys HOFers or close.
He would have of course been less overrated if he played well in the postseason. 3-1 record with 0.95 ERA. But that was probably against bad teams.
The guy won 25 or more in 3 of his last 4 years and then retired at the very top of his game. His highest ERA over his last 4 years was 2.04 and he averaged over 7 shutouts during those 4 years. Averaged more than a K per inning over his whole career.
Yeah he wasn't so good. (But I know you were kidding!)
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<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Laughable? I'm sure you're kidding, but some might think you're serious
Sometimes stats are more accurate than opinions, sometimes not.
Career batting averages against Koufax.
-----------------------------------------------------
Stargell .087
Banks .173
FRobinson .233
Mazeroski .190
Mays .278
Brock .185
Rose .175
McCovey .143
Musial .306
Clemente .299
Santo .231
Cepeda .288
Ashburn .216
Joe Adcork .196
Koufax wasn't the pitcher that made those guys HOFers or close.
He would have of course been less overrated if he played well in the postseason. 3-1 record with 0.95 ERA. But that was probably against bad teams.
The guy won 25 or more in 3 of his last 4 years and then retired at the very top of his game. His highest ERA over his last 4 years was 2.04 and he averaged over 7 shutouts during those 4 years. Averaged more than a K per inning over his whole career.
Yeah he wasn't so good. (But I know you were kidding!) >>
That is where you are wrong regarding Joe Stalin. I know Joe Stalin. He WASN'T kidding and that is why he is out of his mind ! chaz
Still gotta love 'em. All the way from the University of Ohio to these boards, he is a mainstay.
Wonder what ever happened to that thesis he was working on?
<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Guess those Cy Youngs, Series wins, MVP, no hitters, and all the rest shouldn't count Hey?
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<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Laughable? I'm sure you're kidding, but some might think you're serious
Sometimes stats are more accurate than opinions, sometimes not.
Career batting averages against Koufax.
-----------------------------------------------------
Stargell .087
Banks .173
FRobinson .233
Mazeroski .190
Mays .278
Brock .185
Rose .175
McCovey .143
Musial .306
Clemente .299
Santo .231
Cepeda .288
Ashburn .216
Joe Adcork .196
Koufax wasn't the pitcher that made those guys HOFers or close.
He would have of course been less overrated if he played well in the postseason. 3-1 record with 0.95 ERA. But that was probably against bad teams.
The guy won 25 or more in 3 of his last 4 years and then retired at the very top of his game. His highest ERA over his last 4 years was 2.04 and he averaged over 7 shutouts during those 4 years. Averaged more than a K per inning over his whole career.
Yeah he wasn't so good. (But I know you were kidding!) >>
That is where you are wrong regarding Joe Stalin. I know Joe Stalin. He WASN'T kidding and that is why he is out of his mind ! chaz >>
One of my favorite baseball quotes from Koufax's book was from Mantle after striking out on a brutal curveball from Koufax in a World Series game, Mantle turned to Roseboro and said, "How the f*** is anybody supposed to hit that sh**."
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<< 800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Laughable? I'm sure you're kidding, but some might think you're serious
Sometimes stats are more accurate than opinions, sometimes not.
Career batting averages against Koufax.
-----------------------------------------------------
Stargell .087
Banks .173
FRobinson .233
Mazeroski .190
Mays .278
Brock .185
Rose .175
McCovey .143
Musial .306
Clemente .299
Santo .231
Cepeda .288
Ashburn .216
Joe Adcork .196
Koufax wasn't the pitcher that made those guys HOFers or close.
He would have of course been less overrated if he played well in the postseason. 3-1 record with 0.95 ERA. But that was probably against bad teams.
The guy won 25 or more in 3 of his last 4 years and then retired at the very top of his game. His highest ERA over his last 4 years was 2.04 and he averaged over 7 shutouts during those 4 years. Averaged more than a K per inning over his whole career.
Yeah he wasn't so good. (But I know you were kidding!) >>
That is where you are wrong regarding Joe Stalin. I know Joe Stalin. He WASN'T kidding and that is why he is out of his mind ! chaz >>
One of my favorite baseball quotes from Koufax's book was from Mantle after striking out on a brutal curveball from Koufax in a World Series game, Mantle turned to Roseboro and said, "How the f*** is anybody supposed to hit that sh**." >>
Very good post!
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<< <i>800 bucks for a pitcher who was 165-87? That is laughable. Sure he was dominant for a few years, but others were dominant
their whole careers. What a bum, I wouldn't give this guy 8 cents!
JS >>
Laughable? I'm sure you're kidding, but some might think you're serious
Sometimes stats are more accurate than opinions, sometimes not.
Career batting averages against Koufax.
-----------------------------------------------------
Stargell .087
Banks .173
FRobinson .233
Mazeroski .190
Mays .278
Brock .185
Rose .175
McCovey .143
Musial .306
Clemente .299
Santo .231
Cepeda .288
Ashburn .216
Joe Adcork .196
Koufax wasn't the pitcher that made those guys HOFers or close.
He would have of course been less overrated if he played well in the postseason. 3-1 record with 0.95 ERA. But that was probably against bad teams.
The guy won 25 or more in 3 of his last 4 years and then retired at the very top of his game. His highest ERA over his last 4 years was 2.04 and he averaged over 7 shutouts during those 4 years. Averaged more than a K per inning over his whole career.
Yeah he wasn't so good. (But I know you were kidding!) >>
That is where you are wrong regarding Joe Stalin. I know Joe Stalin. He WASN'T kidding and that is why he is out of his mind ! chaz >>
One of my favorite baseball quotes from Koufax's book was from Mantle after striking out on a brutal curveball from Koufax in a World Series game, Mantle turned to Roseboro and said, "How the f*** is anybody supposed to hit that sh**." >>
chaz
Here are some stats for you-
Sanford Koufax (pronounced /ˈkoʊfæks/) (born Sanford Braun, on December 30, 1935) is an American left-handed former pitcher in Major League Baseball who played his entire career for the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers, from 1955 to 1966.
Koufax's career peaked with a run of six outstanding seasons from 1961 to 1966, before arthritis ended his career at age 30. He was named the National League's Most Valuable Player in 1963, and won the 1963, 1965, and 1966 Cy Young Awards by unanimous votes; in all three seasons, he won the pitcher's triple crown by leading the league in wins, strikeouts, and earned run average (he actually led both leagues in all three categories).[1][2] A notoriously difficult pitcher for batters to face, he was the first major leaguer to pitch more than three no-hitters (including the first perfect game by a left-hander since 1880), to average fewer than seven hits allowed per nine innings pitched in his career (6.79; batters hit .205 against him), and to strike out more than nine batters (9.28) per nine innings pitched in his career.[3] He also became the 2nd pitcher in baseball history to have two games with 18 or more strikeouts, and the first to have eight games with 15 or more strikeouts.
Among NL pitchers with at least 2,000 innings pitched who have debuted since 1913, he has the highest career winning percentage (.655) and had the lowest career ERA (2.76) until surpassed by Tom Seaver, whose NL career mark is 2.73.[4] His 2,396 career strikeouts ranked 7th in major league history upon his retirement, and trailed only Warren Spahn's total of 2,583 among left-handers. Retiring at the peak of his career, he became, at age 36 and 20 days, the youngest player ever elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame.[5]
chaz
There's a website where you can purchase his autograph. My understanding was that he had an exclusive contract for his auto thru them, which means it's probably no use trying for a TTM. I wished I could afford spending $800, Koufax is that terrific.
I was shocked while reading the book to find out that he used to live in the same small town in Maine that I do. I wish I had known that back then!
Guidry and 8 other pitchers who arn't even in the HOF debate! If I'm going to pay 800 bucks for an auto I need better stats than
that!
I'm not talking about defending the guy at 20 bucks a graph or 40 bucks a graph, this bozo charges 800 bucks!! His stats arn't that
good I don't care what Mantle said.
Here are some stats:
Hank Aaron hit .368 off him
Clemente .300
Curt Flood .296
Orlando Cepeda .288
Vada Pinson .288
and
Gene Oliver, who loved to drink his coffee with a small fork...batted .392!!
A few years of domination is NOT rare in baseball. Certainly not for 800 bucks!
Kevin
came to the ball park these guys would be picking up trash. I don't fault a ball player who will sign everything if that is what
the fans want. 800 bucks is just selfish, maybe Koufax thinks he was that good, but I don't know anyone in their right mind
who would even pay that much for even legit guys Mantle, Dimaggio and Ted Williams.
oh, and in the 80's Mantle signed for free, but then again Koufax was 10 times the player Mantle was right? To think guys like
Ripken and Ryan charge a small fee and it goes to charity. I guess Sandy needs the money....he can have it, but he will never
be one of the greats
Kevin
<< <i>Maybe he's a bitter old man that begrudges today's ballplayers and their high salaries, so he figures he's gonna make his high "salary" with his only commodity left. >>
welp, good for Sandy bad for his fans!
Kevin
Koufax was 165-87 (a .655 winning percentage). Here are a few more winning percentages (I'm sure I've neglected to list some great players) to put things in perspective:
Pedro Martinez .692 (209-93)
Whitey Ford .690 (236-106) HOF 1974
Lefty Grove .680 (300-141) HOF 1947
Christy Mathewson .665 (373-188) HOF 1936
Roger Clemens .658 (354-184)
Randy Johnson .656 (288-151)
Sandy Koufax .655 (165-87) HOF 1972
Ron Guidry .651 (170-91)
Mordecai Brown .648 (239-130) HOF 1949
Grover Cleveland .642 (373-208) HOF 1938
Jim Palmer .638 (268-152) HOF 1990
Kid Nichols .634 (361-208) HOF 1949
Juan Marichal .631 (243-142) HOF 1983
Carl Hubbell .622 (253-154) HOF 1947
Bob Feller .621 (266-162) HOF 1962
Cy Young .618 (511-316) HOF 1937
Greg Maddux .616 (350-218)
Tom Seaver .603 (311-205) HOF 1992
Walter Johnson .599 (417-279) HOF 1936
Warren Spahn .597 (363-245) HOF 1973
Bob Gibson .591 (251-174) HOF 1981
Steve Carlton .574 (329-244) HOF 1994
Ferguson Jenkins .557 (284-226) HOF 1991
Gaylord Perry .542 (314-265) HOF 1991
Robin Roberts .539 (286-245) HOF 1976
Nolan Ryan .526 (324-292) HOF 1999
At the end of the day, it's quite simple. He can charge whatever he wants....and the folks that truly want his signature will pay for it.
<< <i>I see a lot of hot air here. The dude had 87 losses. If Mantle and Mays wasn't hitting him, someone was! his stats are comparable to
Guidry and 8 other pitchers who arn't even in the HOF debate! If I'm going to pay 800 bucks for an auto I need better stats than
that!
I'm not talking about defending the guy at 20 bucks a graph or 40 bucks a graph, this bozo charges 800 bucks!! His stats arn't that
good I don't care what Mantle said.
Here are some stats:
Hank Aaron hit .368 off him
Clemente .300
Curt Flood .296
Orlando Cepeda .288
Vada Pinson .288
and
Gene Oliver, who loved to drink his coffee with a small fork...batted .392!!
A few years of domination is NOT rare in baseball. Certainly not for 800 bucks!
Kevin >>
You have got to be kidding again right? No !!! You are from the mad house Joe Stalin. Didn't you figure it out that the majority of the 87 losses were BEFORE he changed his mechanics and then he became the most dominant pitcher of the modern era?? C'mon it's not that hard Joe. chaz
<< <i>Sandy probably isn't someone who you can judge on stats alone. When Whitey Herzog said "We need just two players to be a contender. Just Babe Ruth and Sandy Koufax." Or when Don Sutton said "A foul ball was a moral victory [against Koufax]" who are you going to believe? A bunch of nearly-blind-from-looking-at-too-many-statistics staticians or true baseball men? Yes, $800 for his auto is high. You can get a Mantle for less. You can even get this for a helluva lot cheaper. But calling Koufax the equivalent of overrated just based on his shortened career and his stats is ludicrous. (His fastball had ludicrous speed, after all!
All some of us have is stats, but the stats don't lie when they say Koufax was one of the best.
<< <i>Koufax was one of the greatest picthers, but there is no way I would ever pay him $800 just for his autograph. I think since we the go to the games and we buy there mechandice they could atleast give us an autograph if we asked for one. I think they are all wealthy enuogh that they should not be asking for money just to autograph something!!!!! >>
Koufax played from 1955 to 1966. If I remember right he was a bonus baby and got paid $14,000 signing bonus and $6000 for the season.
I would assume that he's ok money-wise but he never made a million a year or anything like that playing baseball.
<< <i>I got his autograph at a show in the mid-80s for around $7 (possibly a National)..guess that was a pretty good deal now... >>
I have my auto card and show ticket from 1981 or 1982, I think it cost $25 for him to sign. Bargain
<< <i>I would assume that he's ok money-wise but he never made a million a year or anything like that playing baseball. >>
Nolan Ryan was the first to be paid $1 million a year and that wasn't until 1979. Koufax was well-paid for the time.
I could be wrong--but my SI sitting somewhere in the dark ages of my closet says the $1,000,000 honor went to Mike Schmidt.
<< <i>Here are some stats for you-
Sanford Koufax (pronounced /ˈkoʊfæks/) (born Sanford Braun, on December 30, 1935) is an American left-handed former pitcher in Major League Baseball who played his entire career for the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers, from 1955 to 1966.
chaz >>
Does anyone know why he changed his name from Sanford Braun? (I don't know, just asking)
Mike
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<< <i>Here are some stats for you-
Sanford Koufax (pronounced /ˈkoʊfæks/) (born Sanford Braun, on December 30, 1935) is an American left-handed former pitcher in Major League Baseball who played his entire career for the Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers, from 1955 to 1966.
chaz >>
Does anyone know why he changed his name from Sanford Braun? (I don't know, just asking)
Mike >>
Koufax was born in Brooklyn, New York, and raised in Borough Park, Brooklyn. His parents, Evelyn and Jack Braun, divorced when he was three years old; his mother remarried when he was nine, and Koufax took the surname of her new husband, Irving.
Ripken, Brooks & Frank Robinson, Old Orioles, Sweet Spot Autos, older Redskins - Riggins, Sonny, Baugh etc and anything that catches my eye.
My ghetto sportscard webpage...All Scans - No Lists!!! Stinky Linky
<< <i>cmon Nick, there is a HUGE difference between Rose and other ball players. Ball players are nothing without the fans, if no one
came to the ball park these guys would be picking up trash. I don't fault a ball player who will sign everything if that is what
the fans want. 800 bucks is just selfish, maybe Koufax thinks he was that good, but I don't know anyone in their right mind
who would even pay that much for even legit guys Mantle, Dimaggio and Ted Williams.
oh, and in the 80's Mantle signed for free, but then again Koufax was 10 times the player Mantle was right? To think guys like
Ripken and Ryan charge a small fee and it goes to charity. I guess Sandy needs the money....he can have it, but he will never
be one of the greats
Kevin >>
If you've read books on DiMaggio, you would know that DiMaggio was a cheapskate personified, never picked up a check, and charged as much as he could for basically everything he did. When it came to money, Joe would do whatever he could...remember "Mr Coffee"...the only exception were things regarding Marilyn Monroe whereby Joe would not offer anything related to that for any price.
<< <i>Bottom line - if a player can charge $800 for his autograph and get it, then that's what he's gonna charge. Stalin, you can't believe these players are doing this for the kids and to be nice to the little old ladies do you? They're known as "professional" athletes because they play for money, and they do things for money such as signing autographs. To us this is a hobby and entertainment - to them it's about the money...and as much of it as they can get. >>
Again, you are missing my point, there are retired players now who give back to the fans, plenty of guys in the Hall sign for free through
the mail. There are cheapskates.....Rose and Koufax are top on the list. There are those players who were dominant, and there are those
players who were great for the game, and then there are a rare few who were both...those are the players I will tell my kids about. All
the others are just greedy old men with no appreciation of the fans.
Kevin
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<< <i>Bottom line - if a player can charge $800 for his autograph and get it, then that's what he's gonna charge. Stalin, you can't believe these players are doing this for the kids and to be nice to the little old ladies do you? They're known as "professional" athletes because they play for money, and they do things for money such as signing autographs. To us this is a hobby and entertainment - to them it's about the money...and as much of it as they can get. >>
Again, you are missing my point, there are retired players now who give back to the fans, plenty of guys in the Hall sign for free through
the mail. There are cheapskates.....Rose and Koufax are top on the list. There are those players who were dominant, and there are those
players who were great for the game, and then there are a rare few who were both...those are the players I will tell my kids about. All
the others are just greedy old men with no appreciation of the fans.
Kevin >>
Joe, I totally agree, we are the fans that go out and watched them play an even bought there merchandise. The least they could do is autograph something. I sent Koufax ne thing even with a self addressed envelope. All he had to do was autograh the cardm, still it in the mail, and be done with it. He refused. Same thing with Joe Namath. If I were a HOFamer I would be proud that someone wanted my autograph!!!!!!!
<< <i>Bottom line - if a player can charge $800 for his autograph and get it, then that's what he's gonna charge. Stalin, you can't believe these players are doing this for the kids and to be nice to the little old ladies do you? They're known as "professional" athletes because they play for money, and they do things for money such as signing autographs. To us this is a hobby and entertainment - to them it's about the money...and as much of it as they can get. >>
+1
I agree...if he can get $800 for his autos, good for him. Don't know how much of that $800 he actually keeps and how much goes to the promoter...or anything else. I don't know his finances and don't care to either...whatever his finances are, they are a small fraction of what players are making today, and again, that really does not concern me. The less he signs the more valuable his signatures are, and the more the owners of those autos will prize them. As for his prime (from 1961 to 1966), he was one of, if not the most dominating pitchers of all time.
This "giving back to the fans" stuff is really tired and trite. No one ever forced anyone to pay for a game ticket or a piece of merchandise. If you liked the product enough to buy the product at the given price, that was your choice. The players were just fortunate to have had a job where a lot of people paid a lot of money to see them play.