Lot of 101 1994 SP Alex Rodriguez BGS 9 ... Good Selling Strategy?

JackWESQ · May 24, 2008 6:58AM

Here's a lot of One Hundred One (101) 1994 SP Alex Rodriguez BGS 9 by BGS Brad. In terms of maximizing profit, do you think this is a good strategy? Obviously, scanning and listing 101 auctions would take some time and effort, but I think it would be worth it. Any guesses as to final selling price? I'll guess $30,000.01.

/s/ JackWESQ

Cubby · May 24, 2008 7:12AM

No, I don't think this is good strategy. This eliminates a lot
of buyers who do not have tens of thousands at their disposal.
I'll guess a little bit less...about $27,000.

storm888 · May 24, 2008 7:16AM

...Insurance will be made available at that time and will be based on the final auction value. $1.50 for the 1st $50, $2.50 for anything between $50-$100 and $1 for each $100 thereafter. I use a local insurance company, so please don't expect to see it on the postal stamp...

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The guy is acting as a card-seller AND an insurance agent/reseller.

His terms violate Florida laws and FL Insurance Commission Regs.

He is also in violation EBAY TOS.

Sellers are not allowed to charge al carte fees for insurance that
is not purchased al carte by the seller at the time of shipping. Funding
a CIA-equivalent premium with buyers' piecemeal payments is illegal,
UNLESS the secondary-vendor is a state-licensed agent.

I am sick of money-gouging lawbreakers on EBAY.

StanTheManMusial · May 24, 2008 7:23AM

The guy is a stooge, in my opinion. I politely requested a better scan of a multi thousand dollar card he had up for auction, and he refused. I just wanted a better look before I spent thousands of dollars with him. Not someone who acts like he cares much for earning a customer if you ask me. I know I will never try and do business with him again.

JackWESQ · May 24, 2008 7:37AM

It will be many, many moons before I drop $10,000.00+ on a card (or cards). But if and when I do, I would happily drop, what, $300.00 to $400.00 for a round trip plane ticket (or simply drive there) to pay for and pick up in person. And given a $10,000.00+ transaction, if the seller wouldn't agree to local pickup, forget it.

/s/ JackWESQ

Estil · May 24, 2008 11:01AM

Wouldn't the better strategery be to sell the cards one at a time, preferably when there are no others for sale?

neenish · May 25, 2008 2:05PM

The guy looks like Joey Buttafucco (spelling?).....

thedizzdawg · May 25, 2008 2:20PM

leathtech · May 25, 2008 2:23PM

How can he charge $25 to ship if he is just using a US Postal Service Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box? last time I check it did not cost $25, you would think if a buyer was going to drop 30k he could include shipping for free maybe.

thedizzdawg · May 25, 2008 2:28PM

This auction will end around 41,000. Is it really worth it? If it goes for 41,000 that means you need to get 405.00 each just to get your money back. We all know that isnt a far fetch, but at the same time people are hurting for money and cards are selling for less than they did last year. I mean I just picked up Elway and Marino BGS 9.5 rookies for 710.00 in an auction. 355.00 a card is alot less that what they were getting a little while back. If you were to buy this arod lot it is something to sit on for a few years and wait till they grow in value, cause right now it is going to be a tough sell for all of them. You post that many of them on EBAY or anywhere else right now, it will flood the auctions and some will possibly go for as little as 200.00 if not cheaper.

envoy98 · May 25, 2008 3:03PM

Ah...Brad. Nice guy, one of the biggest trimmers, alter-ers (is that word) and crack and resubmitters you'll ever have the pleasure of meeting.

he's from Palm Beach, wears a Rolex and loves to bet on sports. Walks around with a LOT of cash in his pocket, deals fairly and buys stuff he knows he can "improve". Just ask him, he'll probably tell you. When I was set up at shows, he would stop over and shoot the breeze. Surprisingly, I learned more about this hobby in a half-hour with this guy than I ever cared to know. I learned things I did not want to know. In his defense, he's fairly open and honest about it. Thing is, I can pretty much guarantee you that every one of those BGS 9's were in lower grade (with at least two high subgrades) BGS holders prior. Absolutely 100% guaranteed. Now, he probably bought a number of BGS 9's already graded, but bank on the fact many have found their way into the highest holder possible.

Individually, I think these are about $400 each? So $40k is FMV for the lot. Buying in bulk, I'm expecting the buyer will get a nice "break" on the price. THey'll probably sell nicely at nationals. Brad probably doesn't want to ship his cards with the new fees associated with extra baggage. (He has Delta ship his entire collection to shows)

StanTheManMusial · May 25, 2008 3:22PM

<< Ah...Brad. Nice guy, one of the biggest trimmers, alter-ers (is that word) and crack and resubmitters you'll ever have the pleasure of meeting.

he's from Palm Beach, wears a Rolex and loves to bet on sports. Walks around with a LOT of cash in his pocket, deals fairly and buys stuff he knows he can "improve". Just ask him, he'll probably tell you. When I was set up at shows, he would stop over and shoot the breeze. Surprisingly, I learned more about this hobby in a half-hour with this guy than I ever cared to know. I learned things I did not want to know. In his defense, he's fairly open and honest about it. Thing is, I can pretty much guarantee you that every one of those BGS 9's were in lower grade (with at least two high subgrades) BGS holders prior. Absolutely 100% guaranteed. Now, he probably bought a number of BGS 9's already graded, but bank on the fact many have found their way into the highest holder possible.

Individually, I think these are about $400 each? So $40k is FMV for the lot. Buying in bulk, I'm expecting the buyer will get a nice "break" on the price. THey'll probably sell nicely at nationals. Brad probably doesn't want to ship his cards with the new fees associated with extra baggage. (He has Delta ship his entire collection to shows) >>

The bolded I can back you up on. This has been well documented at shows.

envoy98 · May 26, 2008 1:08AM

Like I said, nice guy and honestly, I learned a lot from him. Things I didn't know occurred at the time, things I didn't believe could happen. He knows guys that restore paper and build up stock, he's got guys that match color and printing processes. He told me things I absolutely just didn't believe were true, only fairy tales of the conspiracy theorists. Stories of guys bringing $50k+ in cash to shows and going up to their hotel rooms with the laser trimmer 5000 and giving the cards to BGS the next day. Guys walking away from the BGS grading booth with literally hundreds of BGS 9.5 and 10's at a time. Then I payed attention, spent more time at shows and talked to more dealers and saw and heard the exact same things from other dealers. He was one of the main reasons I lost all respect for BGS.

StanTheManMusial · May 26, 2008 1:35AM

<< Like I said, nice guy and honestly, I learned a lot from him. Things I didn't know occurred at the time, things I didn't believe could happen. He knows guys that restore paper and build up stock, he's got guys that match color and printing processes. He told me things I absolutely just didn't believe were true, only fairy tales of the conspiracy theorists. Stories of guys bringing $50k+ in cash to shows and going up to their hotel rooms with the laser trimmer 5000 and giving the cards to BGS the next day. Guys walking away from the BGS grading booth with literally hundreds of BGS 9.5 and 10's at a time. Then I payed attention, spent more time at shows and talked to more dealers and saw and heard the exact same things from other dealers. He was one of the main reasons I lost all respect for BGS. >>

Yeah, it's true. It really happens.

Underwraps · February 21, 2009 2:39PM

Of course its true.

ElToroLoco · February 21, 2009 2:57PM

So this is the "trimming era" of grading? I'm curious, I have an "uncut sheet" of cards I'd like to get cut, what does a Laser Trimmer 5000" cost?
Lastly, I dont see A-Rod cards moving up anymore than they are, only down!!!

usmc1986 · February 21, 2009 3:05PM

Listing has been removed

gumbyfan · February 21, 2009 3:07PM

This topic is from May 2008...so it's no surprise that eBay doesn't still have the auction up...

StanTheManMusial · February 21, 2009 3:10PM

In all fairness to BGS, the trimmers play the same game with PSA as well. One well known trimmer(name withheld)even bragged to me at the National on just how many PSA 10's he got back on cards that had had some "work" done to them. He told me for $1,000 he would show me how I could do the same thing and get stuff by the graders of BGS and PSA. I shook my head and walked away in disgust, after I told him what I thought of him.

fandango · February 21, 2009 10:37PM

this guy was the main reason i moved away from Beckett early on in collecting....

he singlehandedly ruined their reputaion more than any other person on the planet....

beckett may have thought that they were doing him right, but in the long run, catering to him REALLY hurt their comapny i believe...

many of you may remember the trimmed Auto Tom Brady rookie 9.5? it was well documneted it went from 8.5 to 9.5 after he got a hold of it and "worked" on it....

i cringe when i see him with expensive Pujols cards.....

Karma is a beetch and he will get his.......

MBMiller25 · February 21, 2009 11:18PM

I agree with Scott.....Knowing what BGS Brad was doing, as well as Becketts decision to grade sheet cuts cards from the likes of Andy Tuttle and others, caused me to move exclusively from BGS to PSA. I have 4 BGS cards remaining (82 Topps Traded Cal Ripken BGS 9.5, 82 Fleer Cal Ripken BGS 9.5 1 of 13 David Wright Bowman Chrome Auto BGS 9.5 and Ichiro SP BGS 9.5). I would probably sell the Ichiro if I could find a PSA 10 Ichiro SP to replace it with.

StanTheManMusial · February 21, 2009 11:25PM

<< I agree with Scott.....Knowing what BGS Brad was doing, as well as Becketts decision to grade sheet cuts cards from the likes of Andy Tuttle and others, caused me to move exclusively from BGS to PSA. I have 4 BGS cards remaining (82 Topps Traded Cal Ripken BGS 9.5, 82 Fleer Cal Ripken BGS 9.5 1 of 13 David Wright Bowman Chrome Auto BGS 9.5 and Ichiro SP BGS 9.5). I would probably sell the Ichiro if I could find a PSA 10 Ichiro SP to replace it with. >>

Yep, BGS graded/grades sheet cut cards, and I am not a fan of that. But........ the folks who are 100% pro PSA needs to realize the trimmed cards in graded holders is NOT just a BGS issue. The guy I know that trims cards, has sold his fair share of them in PSA holders. Admittedly so, from his own mouth. I like PSA, BGS, and SGC, and I have realized that they all have the same issues, but some folks don't want to believe that to be true.

lsutigers1973 · February 21, 2009 11:31PM

<< I like PSA, BGS, and SGC, and I have realized that they all have the same issues, but some folks don't want to believe that to be true. >>

I actually agree with you. The last card show I actually attended, I saw a dealer looking for oversized vintage cards from other dealers. He would take a large stack and hold them in his hand and he could feel which ones were slightly larger due to original factory cut. These were obviuosly trimmed later on. This scumbags booth had nothing but high grade vintage commons and stars and yes, a lot of them were PSA slabbed.

dfr52 · February 22, 2009 12:25AM

<< 

<< I agree with Scott.....Knowing what BGS Brad was doing, as well as Becketts decision to grade sheet cuts cards from the likes of Andy Tuttle and others, caused me to move exclusively from BGS to PSA. I have 4 BGS cards remaining (82 Topps Traded Cal Ripken BGS 9.5, 82 Fleer Cal Ripken BGS 9.5 1 of 13 David Wright Bowman Chrome Auto BGS 9.5 and Ichiro SP BGS 9.5). I would probably sell the Ichiro if I could find a PSA 10 Ichiro SP to replace it with. >>

Yep, BGS graded/grades sheet cut cards, and I am not a fan of that. But........ the folks who are 100% pro PSA needs to realize the trimmed cards in graded holders is NOT just a BGS issue. The guy I know that trims cards, has sold his fair share of them in PSA holders. Admittedly so, from his own mouth. I like PSA, BGS, and SGC, and I have realized that they all have the same issues, but some folks don't want to believe that to be true. >>

I agree with you, none of the grading companies are immune to this. I respect each of the big 3 but altered cards have made their way into each companies' slabs.

dizzle · February 22, 2009 12:39AM

<< this guy was the main reason i moved away from Beckett early on in collecting....

he singlehandedly ruined their reputaion more than any other person on the planet....

beckett may have thought that they were doing him right, but in the long run, catering to him REALLY hurt their comapny i believe...

many of you may remember the trimmed Auto Tom Brady rookie 9.5? it was well documneted it went from 8.5 to 9.5 after he got a hold of it and "worked" on it....

i cringe when i see him with expensive Pujols cards.....

Karma is a beetch and he will get his....... >>

Yeah But Scott... BGSbrad is no longer... He is know PSAbrad so what's that mean? Is he still doing this shady crud but now with PSA or has he quit doing all this now and 100% legit? Think about it..

Everybody brings up that Tom Brady from a few years ago lol.. I can show you plenty of trimmed cards with before and after pics in PSA holders too with documentaion as well and these are much higher dollar then the Brady card..

I know this is a PSA board so it's very easy knock other companies but lets be real and HONEST this is a problem with all the big 3.

summerof68 · February 22, 2009 6:06AM

BGSbrad caught my attention right at the time Kobe scored his 80 point game. Immediately "bogus brad" started putting on ebay several different BGS 10 Kobe rookies all of which where very low pops of 1 0f 1 or 1 of 2's. They went for huge money. At the same time he also started buying on ebay several of these same 1 of 1 cards but in BGS 9.5 condition. Then a few weeks later he would list these same rookies cards but now they were BGS 10's and the pops had gone up from 1 to 2. So I knew immediately that he must of had big time connections at Beckett. What are the odds that a certain card has only received two BGS 10's in ten years and "bogus brad" was the submitter of both? The same identical scenerio was happening with Bond's rookie cards immediately after he hit #73. The guy is a scammer who somehow or someway has alot of pull with Beckett.

dfr52 · February 22, 2009 6:52AM

<< 

<< this guy was the main reason i moved away from Beckett early on in collecting....

he singlehandedly ruined their reputaion more than any other person on the planet....

beckett may have thought that they were doing him right, but in the long run, catering to him REALLY hurt their comapny i believe...

many of you may remember the trimmed Auto Tom Brady rookie 9.5? it was well documneted it went from 8.5 to 9.5 after he got a hold of it and "worked" on it....

i cringe when i see him with expensive Pujols cards.....

Karma is a beetch and he will get his....... >>

Yeah But Scott... BGSbrad is no longer... He is know PSAbrad so what's that mean? Is he still doing this shady crud but now with PSA or has he quit doing all this now and 100% legit? Think about it..

Everybody brings up that Tom Brady from a few years ago lol.. I can show you plenty of trimmed cards with before and after pics in PSA holders too with documentaion as well and these are much higher dollar then the Brady card..

I know this is a PSA board so it's very easy knock other companies but lets be real and HONEST this is a problem with all the big 3. >>

Yea, there was a Post on the BGS where someone found one of his e-bay auctions and he blasted BGS in it. Brad was upset BGS was no longer giving him the bumps he wanted. If he did have an insider the person must of left b/c he was very frustrated with BGS.

vladguerrero · February 22, 2009 11:29AM

<< In all fairness to BGS, the trimmers play the same game with PSA as well. One well known trimmer(name withheld)even bragged to me at the National on just how many PSA 10's he got back on cards that had had some "work" done to them. He told me for $1,000 he would show me how I could do the same thing and get stuff by the graders of BGS and PSA. I shook my head and walked away in disgust, after I told him what I thought of him. >>

It's true, unfortunately I own a few trimmed psa 10's from "name withheld" and he only deals with PSA.

nam812 · February 23, 2009 1:36AM

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rube26105 · February 23, 2009 1:46AM

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Lot of 101 1994 SP Alex Rodriguez BGS 9 ... Good Selling Strategy?

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