So, what happens under the new E-bay policy if you dont pay a seller ??
tennesseebanker
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I won 22 autographed cards last night on E-bay, The guy states in the auction that shipping is $1.95 and $1 for an additional card. I have yet to get a total from this guy so I suspect he may not cap shipping, and it's gonna be a cold day in Lee's underwear before I pay this dude $33.45 to ship 22 raw cards that should ship for no more than $8 bucks. So if this happens, and I just dont pay the dude, What recourse will he have ??
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<< <i>Good Question, I sold an item on 5/11 before the new policy. But now after the new policy I cant neg him. He keeps giving the run around like Paypal froze my money, I switched banks and they cant confirm my deposits, and that he has moved from Oklahoma to Seattle. This was on a best offer deal. >>
He's lying! Because there is no way anyone would move from Oklahoma to Seattle. We have enough screwed up weather HERE.
<< <i>I won 22 autographed cards last night on E-bay, The guy states in the auction that shipping is $1.95 and $1 for an additional card. I have yet to get a total from this guy so I suspect he may not cap shipping, and it's gonna be a cold day in Lee's underwear before I pay this dude $33.45 to ship 22 raw cards that should ship for no more than $8 bucks. So if this happens, and I just dont pay the dude, What recourse will he have ?? >>
I normally ask what the shipping costs would be for that many auctions. If he's a "good" seller he will not charge you more then $8-10 or so.
Exactly, this is what I expected and still do expect from him really. I'm not gonna hammer anyone for a few bucks on shipping here or there. But I will shave my balls and pour rubbing alcohol on them before I pay $34 bucks for shipping anything less than a refrigerator.
<< <i>But I will shave my balls and pour rubbing alcohol on them >>
Not highly recommended.
The buyer does not dictate the terms of the sale, the seller set his terms, you buy accepting them.
He is being very nice and considerate discounting when he really did not have to.
Arrangements could have been made with the seller in advance, a simple message and question is all it takes.
Myself, I might even go so far as to send you 22 different packages, just out of principal.
<< <i>The buyer does not dictate the terms of the sale, the seller set his terms, you buy accepting them. >>
THAT'S TRUE. BUT, as a seller, good business practices can go a long way, especially when it comes to repeat business, a good reputation in the [respective] community, increasing profit, etc. But if you, as a seller, don't want repeat business, a good reputation, increase your profits, etc., then more power to you.
/s/ JackWESQ
<< <i>I am sorry, but I disagree with your thinking. You read the auctions, you bid and won, in effect agreeing to his terms. Why you would complain about the shipping afterwards, I do not understand. How is the seller at fault here?
The buyer does not dictate the terms of the sale, the seller set his terms, you buy accepting them.
He is being very nice and considerate discounting when he really did not have to.
Arrangements could have been made with the seller in advance, a simple message and question is all it takes.
Myself, I might even go so far as to send you 22 different packages, just out of principal. >>
100% in agreement here.
We all have read a 1000 posts were we set our bids according to the shipping.
I took a hit years ago wining a bunch of cheap cards and being hit with 23.00 shipping in one envelope.
My fault.
The terms were clearly posted in the auction.
For the OP: $15.95 is awful. he could put them in a priority box, it's probably under 1# and it would be $5 and you'd have them in 3-5 days. The guy will probably send them parcel post to you besides. BTW, I literally choked on my dinner when I read your "I'd rather..." quip. Funny stuff.
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$15.95 sounds "EBAY reasonable."
EBAY is going to add a seller-preference that may block buyers with just ONE UID.
Also, sellers will be able to block bidders/buyers with a history of "threatening/extorting"
sellers; maybe EBAY should just throw those buyers OUT....too profitable to do that.
By June 5, the BBLs will hold 5,000 names; currently only 1000. EBAY may add a block
for bidders who have "left excessive negs/neuts." A private vendor will be selling those
categorized lists before summer is finished.
auctions and the winner got the items for less. The buyer here read the terms and after the auction
wants to change the terms. That question (a cap on shipping) should have been asked before bidding.
When I do auctions I clearly state that I combine and discount shipping.
If I max, what the max is.
For 15.95 the seller should have at least upgraded to priority.
Steve
edited to add: Or you could use the ask a question feature before you bid.
Remember, you bid knowing the terms of the auction(s) by doing so you agreed
to the terms.
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Steve
<< <i>Wow, you mean if the seller states in his auction that I must eat a can of poop, and I bid on his auctions and win, then I Must eat a can of poop ? >>
No card is worth eating a can of poop.
Wait for the next one
<< <i>I believe 3 NPB will still get you booted... >>
Three has never been the number, it has just been a general rule, I have heard of buyers getting booted on the second, the 4th,5th.
I did hear that Ebay may institute a block for buyers who have just one UPI. What will eventually happen is there will be shared BBLs posted based on categories. If you are put on this list it may become hard to bid on anything.
That said his terms were listed in the listing you agreed when you placed the bid.
He has basically no recourse, he can file to have his fees returned and block you.
Other then that what can he do?
Steve
You are missing my point I think. And I am just generalizing here.
The guy listed his shipping terms and you won a bunch of auctions that
other people may have shied away from because they did not agree with them.
You possibly got a great deal on each item (below wholesale) add the shipping in
and now the deal is average. I am not saying what this seller is doing is ok, it is not.
I am simply saying that when a person agrees to terms they should follow through.
Or ask questions before bidding.
Steve
<< <i>Tenn
You are missing my point I think. And I am just generalizing here.
The guy listed his shipping terms and you won a bunch of auctions that
other people may have shied away from because they did not agree with them.
You possibly got a great deal on each item (below wholesale) add the shipping in
and now the deal is average. I am not saying what this seller is doing is ok, it is not.
I am simply saying that when a person agrees to terms they should follow through.
Or ask questions before bidding.
Steve >>
I have bought many items and paid alot more for shipping to get the item cheaper than usual.. Most recent was a card that sells for around 30.00 delivered on Ebay. Seller wanted 10.00 shipping on the card, but started it at 99 cents. I won it for 10.99 got it relisted it and got 32.77 for it plus 3.00 shipping.
If one sells cheap cards - the amount of time spent handling the sales can probably be non-productive if not for the "surcharge" - yes, I'm playing devil's advocate here.
This is a no brainer - if ya gonna bid on 20 lots from the same guy - contact them and ask what if they have a cap.
If they say no - what you see is what I get? Move on.
That would be the fair thing here - no one is thinking of the time factor to track and deal in small potatoes - that's my take.
And this is not directed at the OP - he's a good guy and I'm betting will do the right thing.
mike
I get what your saying, However, Let me make this analogy.
If you or I listed 30 cards here in the b/s/t forum for $2 shipping for the first card and $1 for each additional card and someone said I will buy all 30, How much do you want for shipping ? And we said, Well, I want $31 for shipping, that is what the title says isn't it ? Wouldn't you expect the buyer to back out ?
Your post reminds me of the following situation, though I have no specific example.
List a card with a starting bid of $0.01 and $3.00 for shipping & handling ... card receives no bids.
List a card with a starting bid of $3.00 and FREE shipping & handling ... card receives one (1) if not more than one (1) bid.
For the seller essentially the same end result. For the buyer, thinks he got a good deal because of free shipping and & handling.
When I used to buy DVDs (collection got over 1000 ... ended up selling my entire collection), free shipping and handling went a long ways.
/s/ JackWESQ
But everyone here knows when you "find" auctions at a moments notice and and unable to contact the seller in time you have a tendencey to assume the seller is a good guy and will do the right thing. That is what happened in this case, i came across these auctions as they were ending, and they were all ending within minutes of each other. So yes, it probably is my fault for making the assumption that the seller would cap his shipping charges.
Yes I would back out, but, I also would have backed out with your seller too.
I would have asked that question before I placed my bids.
Steve
I have a feeling though if I havent contacted him about the $34 to ship that he probably wouldnt have sent a revised invoice.
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All true.
THAT is why it is good to negotiate the S+H before bidding. The seller is MUCH
more vulnerable to cutting the buyer a good deal as an element of getting the
buyer to bid, BEFORE the buying/bidding is finished.
I do "FREE" shipping, so I never have these issues with buyers. BUT, I too
would resort to razors and alcohol on myself before I would be extorted
for a cheaper deal after the hammer had fallen.
NOTE: Simply asking for a combo-shipping deal after the sale, is not extortion
UNLESS it goes beyond a simple "no-consequences" request. Just better for the
buyer/seller to get it all agreed to before the deal goes down.
<< <i>Steve,
I get what your saying, However, Let me make this analogy.
If you or I listed 30 cards here in the b/s/t forum for $2 shipping for the first card and $1 for each additional card and someone said I will buy all 30, How much do you want for shipping ? And we said, Well, I want $31 for shipping, that is what the title says isn't it ? Wouldn't you expect the buyer to back out ? >>
But that isn't the way it went down, if I am reading your original post correctly.
You simply bid on them, won them and then balked at the terms of the seller, and went so far as to even say in your original post that you just wouldn't pay him, and wondered what recourse he would have..
You should have contacted him 1st, to work out the deal.
Not after the fact.
since you like to use analogies:
You walk into a restaurtant, the menu says T-Bone Steak, Baked potato, garden salad and butter roll for $19.95
you order, the food comes, you decide to throw it all on one dish and then tell the waiter to charge you $9.95, because you are only using 1 dish.
Don't think it would fly, you should always ask first.
<< <i>I thought I had splained that Lucy >>
the last minute thingy?
well, you should have been prepared to pay full shipping price then, the chance you take, without saying in your original post that you just wouldn't pay.
But this all worked out in the end for both of you, so this thread is all moot in the end.
Therefore, I should get the same plate price.
Ahh, but there is nothing like a good ole' E-bay shipping rant thread to get the blood flowin.
Have a good night everyone !
Steve
Steve
I did have one epiphany this eve...
I'm hiring a lawyer before selling buck cards on ebay!