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Any chance that this Mantle autograph is legit??

I got a signed Mantle ball years ago from Todd Mueller autographs as a part of a larger lot of stuff. In my brilliance, I cut it apart as I was going to have made a signature cut card out of the sig. I didn't realize the leather wouldn't lay flat and it would cause creasing in the leather.

Anyways, what do you think about this Mantle? It's on a Cronin AL ball, and resembles the sig on his rookie card, but I have no idea if he actually signed that way or not, doesn't look like most Mantles I've seen. It's definitely vintage, but I don't know if its him or not.

Mike


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  • fandangofandango Posts: 2,622
    LOL.....did your dog eat that?

    and no, its look fake as Kelly Picklers new chest
  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>LOL.....did your dog eat that?

    and no, its look fake as Kelly Picklers new chest >>



    Actually, it was a mouse I think from my storage shed. Who is Kelly Picklers? I don't mind looking at fake chests. image

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  • fandangofandango Posts: 2,622
    google her, she aint half bad.....
  • IronmanfanIronmanfan Posts: 5,525 ✭✭✭✭
    no chance it's legit; sorry
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    It does look like somebody signed it to model the rookie-card sig.

    If you throw it on EBAY with a BIN that nobody will hit (high), PSA/DNA
    will give you a quick-opinion.

    NONE of my PSA/DNA ones look anything like that. BUT, as you know,
    that does not mean it's not real.

    I recall some legit checks that look nothing like my PSA/DNA stuff, too.
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  • thenavarrothenavarro Posts: 7,497 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It does look like somebody signed it to model the rookie-card sig.

    If you throw it on EBAY with a BIN that nobody will hit (high), PSA/DNA
    will give you a quick-opinion.

    NONE of my PSA/DNA ones look anything like that. BUT, as you know,
    that does not mean it's not real.

    I recall some legit checks that look nothing like my PSA/DNA stuff, too. >>



    I actually thought about doing that quick opinon just in case, but if it was obviously fake, I didn't want people to see it under my user name there because I do pretty well on ebay with historical sigs and have an impeccable reputation for authenticity, but that's a market I know VERY well, not sports.

    Mike
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I actually thought about doing that quick opinon just in case, but if it was obviously fake, I didn't want people to see it under my user name there because I do pretty well on ebay with historical sigs and have an impeccable reputation for authenticity,..."

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    Anybody who is married to the way "the Ms are 'supposed' to look" is going to
    say "it's obviously fake."

    Thus, you're right, seeking QO is not a reputation builder in this instance.
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  • MooseDogMooseDog Posts: 1,948 ✭✭✭
    I wouldn't blindly call it fake as some have in this thread. Cronin was AL President since 1959 and if memory serves (and it is getting a bit fuzzy in my old age) Mantle was still signing in this style through the early 1960s when the "half-moon" style started to emerge. I have a signed magazine photo that I bought in part of the Lefty O'Doul estate (stuff from his SF restaurant) that appears to be late-50's vintage and has a signature in this same style.

    Also I thought Todd Mueller had a pretty good rep at some point, though I see he's working for GAI now so go figure.
  • TNTonPMSTNTonPMS Posts: 2,279 ✭✭
    I agree Mr. Moosedog , I wouldn't call it fake either .

    I have a few of Micks earlier sigs 56- 57 - 58 , that all look just like that one with just a couple of slight differences .

    That looks like a good sig to me
  • TNTonPMSTNTonPMS Posts: 2,279 ✭✭
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    Edited to add: 1953 Yankees
  • I would not be so quick to write it off, Mike.

    Here is another example from the rookie era. The one I provided a scan of is 100% authentic. They sure appear similar.

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    EDIT:

    To add, the part that shows alot of Mantle writing characteristics is the way the "an" is formed in his last name, and how the "t" is crossed up high. That was just something Mick always seemed to do in his writing tendencies.

  • fkwfkw Posts: 1,766 ✭✭
    Ball was made in the 1959-1973 era (Joseph Cronin).

    Looks like Peter Brady signed it
  • The only thing on early Mantle signatures on a baseball that ever makes me wonder, is that I have read in the past were Mickey did not like signing baseballs in the clubhouse, and that some guy named Pete Previte would signs Mantle's name instead. I'm not sure how close/exact he could forge a vintage Mantle sig, but he was well known to sign numerous ones back then. I believe I read this in Jim Bouton's book.

    That is the only thing that sticks in my mind and leaves uncertain one way or the other.


  • TNTonPMSTNTonPMS Posts: 2,279 ✭✭
    Stan the Man , I would bet my eye teeth that the scan you just posted is an Authentic Vintage Mantle sig .

    Such a nice dark sig too !

    I think a lot of people are just used to the later sigs way after his ball playing days where he curls the M's around , that's all .


  • << <i>Stan the Man , I would bet my eye teeth that the scan you just posted is an Authentic Vintage Mantle sig .

    Such a nice dark sig too !

    I think a lot of people are just used to the later sigs way after his ball playing days where he curls the M's around , that's all . >>



    Yes, I agree, my friend.
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,486 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    If ya compare the card to the ball - they're close but that's as far as I get.

    mike
    Mike
  • BunchOBullBunchOBull Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭
    Ever think about stretching it around a foam form ball to get the wrinkles out? It may have a chance.
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