Rookie HOFers by the year
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I used to collect one rookie hofer from every year to present (beginning with 1952)...and as I recall, there was a rookie hofer every year except for 1953 and 1971 (used to be 1977 also, until sutter)....anyway, moving forwards, i believe there are potential hofers every future year as well, except for 1996....
Everyone concur?
(Btw, for 1971 i picked Blyleven and for 1953 I picked Whitey Ford - i know 51 bowman was his true rc), but have no idea who to pick for 1996? (maybe damon...)
Everyone concur?
(Btw, for 1971 i picked Blyleven and for 1953 I picked Whitey Ford - i know 51 bowman was his true rc), but have no idea who to pick for 1996? (maybe damon...)
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<< <i>Wasn't Damon 1993? >>
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yea, but using jeter for 1993....i need someone to plug the 1996 spot though...and can't think of anyone, hof'er or otherwise...
<< <i>yea, but using jeter for 1993.... >>
He wasn't telling you to use Damon for 1993, I believe he was just pointing out that you were wrong about Damon being from 1996.
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<< <i>yea, but using jeter for 1993.... >>
He wasn't telling you to use Damon for 1993, I believe he was just pointing out that you were wrong about Damon being from 1996. >>
Yea, i also used whitey for 1953, since there were no rookie hofers for 1953...
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<< <i>yea, but using jeter for 1993.... >>
He wasn't telling you to use Damon for 1993, I believe he was just pointing out that you were wrong about Damon being from 1996. >>
Yea, i also used whitey for 1953, since there were no rookie hofers for 1953... >>
I am working on a modification of my other set, but trying to stick to the rules a little closer (but can be combination of original and reprint autos)
PS - this reminds me that 61, 70, 81 and 84 didnt have hofer rookies either...
40 years of topps
In 1961, don't you have Juan Marichal? For 70 you could use Munson, he's not a HOF'er, but many argue he should be. You've got exceptions to a few other rules, so maybe that one will fit for you?
In 84, if you use the Fleer Update, you can have Clemens or Puckett, then use the other for 1985. I'm guessing XRC's are ok in your set since you have an 86 TT Bonds and 85 T McGwire and 89 TT Griffey. (At least for autos)
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<< <i>Love the autos!
In 1961, don't you have Juan Marichal? For 70 you could use Munson, he's not a HOF'er, but many argue he should be. You've got exceptions to a few other rules, so maybe that one will fit for you?
In 84, if you use the Fleer Update, you can have Clemens or Puckett, then use the other for 1985. I'm guessing XRC's are ok in your set since you have an 86 TT Bonds and 85 T McGwire and 89 TT Griffey. (At least for autos) >>
For the first set (pictured above), I wanted reprint autos of each of the topps designs...but for the new set i am working on, yes, marichal will be in it. There were very few 70 reprint autos, but in the new set, they can be originals and don't have to be autos, but i try and stay away from the "multi-player" cards for aestetics...call me wierd (lol)...
Also, on the first set, i ONLY used topps, but the 2nd set will have both, whichever is considered the classic rookie, so it will have 84 clemens,87 donruss maddux, 89 ud griffey....
1948 BOWMAN 3 OR 1948 LEAF 91 RALPH KINER 4
6 1948 BOWMAN YOGI BERRA 6
1948 BOWMAN 18 OR 1948 LEAF 32 WARREN SPAHN 6
36 1948 BOWMAN STAN MUSIAL 6
38 1948 BOWMAN RED SCHOENDIENST 4
1948 LEAF 8 OR 1949 BOWMAN 224 SATCHEL PAIGE 8
1948 LEAF 79 OR 1949 BOWMAN 50 JACKIE ROBINSON 7
98 1948 LEAF HAL NEWHOUSER 6
120 1948 LEAF GEORGE KELL 6
138 1948 LEAF LARRY DOBY 6
46 1949 BOWMAN ROBIN ROBERTS 4
84 1949 BOWMAN ROY CAMPANELLA 6
110 1949 BOWMAN EARLY WYNN 4
214 1949 BOWMAN RICHIE ASHBURN 6
226 1949 BOWMAN DUKE SNIDER 6
238 1949 BOWMAN BOB LEMON 5
1 1951 BOWMAN WHITEY FORD 7
198 1951 BOWMAN MONTE IRVIN 4
232 1951 BOWMAN NELLIE FOX 5
253 1951 BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE 9
305 1951 BOWMAN WILLIE MAYS 8
392 1952 TOPPS HOYT WILHELM 6
407 1952 TOPPS EDDIE MATHEWS 9
94 1954 TOPPS ERNIE BANKS 6
128 1954 TOPPS HANK AARON 7
201 1954 TOPPS AL KALINE 5
123 1955 TOPPS SANDY KOUFAX 6
124 1955 TOPPS HARMON KILLEBREW 5
164 1955 TOPPS ROBERTO CLEMENTE 7
292 1956 TOPPS LUIS APARICIO 4
18 1957 TOPPS DON DRYSDALE 5
24 1957 TOPPS BILL MAZEROSKI 3
35 1957 TOPPS FRANK ROBINSON 5
328 1957 TOPPS BROOKS ROBINSON 5
338 1957 TOPPS JIM BUNNING 4
343 1958 TOPPS ORLANDO CEPEDA 3
514 1959 TOPPS BOB GIBSON 5
148 1960 TOPPS CARL YASTRZEMSKI 4
316 1960 TOPPS WILLIE MCCOVEY 4
141 1961 TOPPS BILLY WILLIAMS 2
417 1961 TOPPS JUAN MARICHAL 3
199 1962 TOPPS GAYLORD PERRY 3
387 1962 TOPPS LOU BROCK 4
553 1963 TOPPS WILLIE STARGELL 3
541 1964 TOPPS PHIL NIEKRO 2
16 1965 TOPPS JOE MORGAN 3
477 1965 TOPPS STEVE CARLTON 4
526 1965 TOPPS CATFISH HUNTER 2
581 1965 TOPPS TONY PEREZ 3
126 1966 TOPPS JIM PALMER 3
254 1966 TOPPS FERGIE JENKINS 2
288 1966 TOPPS DON SUTTON 2
569 1967 TOPPS ROD CAREW 4
581 1967 TOPPS TOM SEAVER 5
177 1968 TOPPS NOLAN RYAN 6
247 1968 TOPPS JOHNNY BENCH 3
260 1969 TOPPS REGGIE JACKSON 4
597 1969 TOPPS ROLLIE FINGERS 1
79 1972 TOPPS CARLTON FISK 1
174 1973 TOPPS RICH GOSSAGE 1
615 1973 TOPPS MIKE SCHMIDT 3
456 1974 TOPPS DAVE WINFIELD 2
223 1975 TOPPS ROBIN YOUNT 2
228 1975 TOPPS GEORGE BRETT 3
620 1975 TOPPS GARY CARTER 1
98 1976 TOPPS DENNIS ECKERSLEY 1
144 1977 TOPPS BRUCE SUTTER 1
36 1978 TOPPS EDDIE MURRAY 1
707 1978 TOPPS PAUL MOLITOR 1
116 1979 TOPPS OZZIE SMITH 1
21 1982 TOPPS CAL RIPKEN JR. 1
83 1983 TOPPS RYNE SANDBERG 1
482 1983 TOPPS TONY GWYNN 1
498 1983 TOPPS WADE BOGGS 1
U-93 1984 FLEER UPDATE KIRBY PUCKETT 1
Future potential HOF'ers, post war RC's:
100 1949 BOWMAN GIL HODGES 10
136 1960 TOPPS JIM KAAT 7
35 1961 TOPPS RON SANTO 7
26 1971 TOPPS BERT BLYLEVEN 8
616 1975 TOPPS JIM RICE 6
473 1977 TOPPS ANDRE DAWSON 4
703 1978 TOPPS JACK MORRIS 1
482 1980 TOPPS RICKEY HENDERSON 4
479 1981 TOPPS TIM RAINES 1
452 1982 TOPPS LEE SMITH 1
U-27 1984 FLEER UPDATE ROGER CLEMENS 9
401 1985 TOPPS MARK MCGWIRE 1.50
28 1986 DONRUSS FRED MCGRIFF 1
U-14 1986 FLEER UPDATE BARRY BONDS 3
34 1986 SPORTFLICS ROOKIES BARRY LARKIN 1
36 1987 DONRUSS GREG MADDUX 1
43 1987 DONRUSS RAFAEL PALMEIRO 1
U-74 1988 FLEER UPDATE JOHN SMOLTZ 1
638 1988 SCORE TOM GLAVINE 1
103T 1988 SCORE TRADED CRAIG BIGGIO 1
105T 1988 SCORE TRADED ROBERTO ALOMAR 1
635 1989 DONRUSS CURT SCHILLING 1
1 1989 UPPER DECK KEN GRIFFEY JR. 3
13 1989 UPPER DECK GARY SHEFFIELD 1
25 1989 UPPER DECK RANDY JOHNSON 1
787 1989 UPPER DECK OMAR VIZQUEL 1
220 1990 LEAF SAMMY SOSA 1
300 1990 LEAF FRANK THOMAS 1
72 1990 UPPER DECK JUAN GONZALEZ 1
68 1991 BOWMAN JIM THOME 1
569 1991 BOWMAN CHIPPER JONES 1
U-58 1991 ULTRA UPDATE IVAN RODRIGUEZ 1
U-79 1991 ULTRA UPDATE JEFF BAGWELL 1
2F 1991 UPPER DECK FINAL EDITION PEDRO MARTINEZ 1
U-92 1992 FLEER UPDATE MIKE PIAZZA 2
U-104 1992 FLEER UPDATE JEFF KENT 1
11 1992 BOWMAN TREVOR HOFFMAN 1
302 1992 BOWMAN MARIANO RIVERA 1
532 1992 BOWMAN MANNY RAMIREZ 1
279 1993 SP DEREK JETER 6
29 1994 BOWMANS BEST JORGE POSADA 1
15 1994 SP ALEX RODRIGUEZ 7
2 1995 BOWMANS BEST VLADIMIR GUERRERO 4
7 1995 BOWMANS BEST ANDRUW JONES 3
273 1997 BOWMAN CHROME MIGUEL TEJADA 1
518 1997 ULTRA DAVID ORTIZ 3
191 2000 BOWMANS BEST JOHAN SANTANA 4
91 2001 SP AUTHENTIC ICHIRO SUZUKI 6
126 2001 SP AUTHENTIC ALBERT PUJOLS 9
Good luck in your quest, I"m doing close to the same thing but trying to limit mine to Topps Only for the most part. You can search for my threads and you'll find my rookie card signed threads where I've got them pictured. Take care,
Mike
<< <i>Post WWII rookie cards of HOF'ers
Good luck in your quest, I"m doing close to the same thing but trying to limit mine to Topps Only for the most part. You can search for my threads and you'll find my rookie card signed threads where I've got them pictured. Take care,
Mike >>
Yea, Mike, I have seen your threads - very impressive. That is a big feat you have taken on...
I know i will never be able to complete a set like that, which is why i have opted to allow non-autos and reprint autos in my efforts. The info you provided is great thanks...
Here's a couple more future "potential hofers' for you ...of course debateable....(still nothing for 1996)
(on the list you provided, did you find that written up somewhere, or did you select santana? --although i do agree)
1997
Halladay
David Ortiz-little to no chance IMO
Berkman
1998
Magglio Ordonez (slim)
1999
Dunn
Beckett
Holliday
Tim Hudson
sabathia
2000
Cabrera
Santana
Adrian
Sizemore
Oswalt
Carlos Zambrano
Francisco Rodriguez
2001
Ichiro
Pujols
Jose reyes
Mark teixera
Chase Utley
Jake Peavy
Justin Morneau
Victor Martinez
2002
Wright
Joe Mauer
<< <i>On your list for 1997, i would replace tejada with berkman...berkman is almost a lock now... >>
Thanks for your additions to the list, that will give me a few more to chase. I did not come up with the list above myself as I haven't followed the game close enough the last few years to know much at all about the modern players. I cut and pasted it from PSA's set registry which has a future HOF rookies set.
Take care,
Mike
<< <i>On your list for 1997, i would replace tejada with berkman...berkman is almost a lock now... >>
What the hell are you smoking?
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<< <i>On your list for 1997, i would replace tejada with berkman...berkman is almost a lock now... >>
What the hell are you smoking? >>
Note - "almost"
Tejada will get in right behind mcgwire, sosa, bonds....
Berkman with just a few more years like this year, and he will be in for sure....JMO...
<< <i>Why would anyone think of replacing Tejada? Granted, he's a few years older than he "was" (how the hell does that happen?), but he's got some phenomenal numbers, especially for a SS. And he shows no signs of slowing down... >>
same reason as mcgwire, sosa, and bonds....do you think they will get in? If not, Tejada shouldn't either... If you think they should, then stick with Tejada...I personally would prefer Berkman. (for the record, I hope all the steroid users get in eventually, once they come clean and admit their mistakes)....
I'm going to have to agree with what goot said.
<< <i>Yes, if Berkman retired today he'd be a shoe-in. And also Ortiz has little to no chance. All he's done is put up similar numbers to Berkman and Tejada and is a World Series hero for the first or second most popular team in the league. Good call. Another news flash- Magglio Ordonez and Lance Berkman have had very similar careers. Do you even watch baseball?
I'm going to have to agree with what goot said. >>
Just a FYI, Berkman isn't retiring today...
Agree with Ortiz and Magglio....
<< <i>For 1996, there's really nothing. The best bets used to be Livan Hernandez, Cris Carpenter, and Matt Morris, but they've all fallen off the radar. Carlos Guillen would be the most probable of who is left, but even he's a very, very long stretch! >>
Thanks...well, maybe in another 10 years there may be a surprise...until then 96 will be left blank....
Ortiz: .287, 273 HR, 908 RBI, top 5 in MVP voting 5 years in a row, Postseason hero
Tejada: .288, 263 HR, 1061 RBI, MVP
Berkman: .303, 271 HR, 806 RBI
For you to say Berkman is a lock, Ordonez' chances are slim, and Ortiz has little or no chance is just ludicrous. You're basing this on what you predict will happen in the future. It's amazing how you can foresee Berkman continuing to put up great numbers while Ordonez and Ortiz slump. That's quite a gift.
Also, for what it's worth, I believe Brad Penny and Raul Ibanez have the most potential from 1996 as they have hit their strides the past 3 years and could conceivably maintain those numbers over a long period of time. I'd put the vegas odds on either of them getting in at around 15/1.
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PS Im glad I collect PreWar cards, it seems all the postwar rookie collectors are not after the true rookie cards, they are more after the first Bowman, Topps or Leaf cards of a player and not their true rookie.
Alston 1952 Parhurst
Berra 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread, 1947 Tip Top Bread, 1947 W602
Ford 1951 Berk Ross, 1951 Bowman
Kell 1947 Tip Top Bread
Kiner 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread
Lasorda 1950 V362
Musial 1946 Propagandas Montiel, 1946 Sears
Newhouser 1947 W602
F. Robinson 1956 Kahns
J. Robinson 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread, 1947 R346
Schoendienst 1946 Sears
Spahn 1947 R346, 1947 Tip Top Bread, 1947 W602
If he continues at this pace (triple crown threat) for another 4 or 5 years, I would agree with you.
<< <i>This whole post is crazy. Why would you fake it and add anyone to a year that wasnt his rookie just because it didnt have a HOFers first card that year.
PS Im glad I collect PreWar cards, it seems all the postwar rookie collectors are not after the true rookie cards, they are more after the first Bowman, Topps or Leaf cards of a player and not their true rookie. >>
While I agree with your general idea, let's take it one step further...
Beginning in 1962, Topps created the biggest problem (in my opinion) with collecting "rookie" cards...they started putting more than one rookie on each card. For instance in 1963, Willie Stargell is shown as a disembodied head sharing the card with three other disembodied heads. In 1964, Phil Niekro shares his rookie card with someone else.
I much prefer to see a player as the only one on the card. I don't want to look at a card of say, Tom Seaver, and also see some no-name also-ran sharing space with him. For this reason, I have chosen to go with the first solo appearance of each HOFer. In instances like the 1962 Lou Brock and Gaylord Perry, and the 1974 Dave Winfield, where their rookie card is also a "solo" card, it's perfect; but in other cases where the HOFer shares their rookie card with someone else, it means I want for instance, the 1964 Stargell, 1966 Niekro (his 1965 card is the same format as 1964), and the 1968 Seaver, along with others such as the 1966 Joe Morgan, Tony Perez and Jim Hunter, 1974 Mike Schmidt and so-on.....
Neither approach is wrong; each is simply what the individual collector has chosen as their method
Steve
<< <i>Beginning in 1962, Topps created the biggest problem (in my opinion) with collecting "rookie" cards...they started putting more than one rookie on each card. For instance in 1963, Willie Stargell is shown as a disembodied head sharing the card with three other disembodied heads. In 1964, Phil Niekro shares his rookie card with someone else.
I much prefer to see a player as the only one on the card. I don't want to look at a card of say, Tom Seaver, and also see some no-name also-ran sharing space with him. For this reason, I have chosen to go with the first solo appearance of each HOFer. In instances like the 1962 Lou Brock and Gaylord Perry, and the 1974 Dave Winfield, where their rookie card is also a "solo" card, it's perfect; but in other cases where the HOFer shares their rookie card with someone else, it means I want for instance, the 1964 Stargell, 1966 Niekro (his 1965 card is the same format as 1964), and the 1968 Seaver, along with others such as the 1966 Joe Morgan, Tony Perez and Jim Hunter, 1974 Mike Schmidt and so-on.... >>
I agree, completely.
There is also the weird irony that almost all of the cards you mention are really visually appealing. The '66 Morgan and Perez and the '68 Seaver (and Carew), in particular. All also feature the cool All Rookie Team trophy and all are great, classic poses. First solo cards are an underappreciated subset.
As for Berkman, the only advantage I can see him having over Ortiz is that he's a switch hitter, which is another group of people to measure him against. I would bet that's offset (at least), by Ortiz's October heroics.
<< <i> What about the premise that you would have to choose between Rod Carew and Tom Seaver or that you don't want a Johnny Bench RC because Ryan was that year. >>
I didn't say I collect ONLY one hofer for each year. That is just a "subset" I am putting together.
Just like I have 40 years of Topps designs, I am putting together a set I am calling rookies through the years. I have other hof'ers that don't fall into either of those "subsets". I just like putting these so called "subsets".
I have subsets by positions, by Major breaking history, fan favorites, by topps designs, by the pairs, PSA/DNA 80s, etc... this is just one more subset that I am calling hof rookies by the years.
To the person that mentioned they prefer players cards where they appear first by themself on the card, I AGREE 100%. I also have a subset of those, which I refer to as "solo roookies".....64 rose, 68 seaver, 69 nolan, 69 bench etc...
As for berkman, I will stand behind him, and suggest he will be a lock in another few years...which is what I meant when I said "almost" a lock (of course anything could change that course). I already explained why I "personally" would pick Berkman over Tejada, which is that I think Tejada may have a hard time getting in the HOF due to steroid use. I may be wrong, but that is just my personal belief. Also in comparing the stats, note Berkman's numbers are after 10 years, where mags and ortiz are over 12 years. Write down mags and ortiz stats down, and then compare Berkmans stats to their current stats in 2 more years. Also, note, I refer to all three of them as "potential" hofers, that is all "potential"...of course anything can happen in the future that could either help or hurt their chances for anyone of them.
Here are a few SUBSETS I have worked on - note topps designs is just one subset not all i collect
Also, just to clear things up, Berkman's a stud. No doubt about it. In NY, he'd be getting paid $18 million a year, be a regular SI/ESPN Mag cover-boy and might have one or two MVPs under his belt. We just don't know what the future will hold. Jim Rice, Steve Garvey, Andre Dawson, and Dale Murphy were all considered HOF locks at the point in their career that Berkman is at right now.